bpat777
Topic Author
Posts: 560
Joined: Sun Nov 28, 1999 8:21 am

AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:16 am

Just read that AA will start to use logo lights on their aircraft soon. I think the tails will look nice illuminated at night.
 
contrails
Posts: 1312
Joined: Fri Oct 13, 2000 11:53 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:19 am

It will look nice, but how much will it cost?

AA is spending a lot of money on paint and lighting for a company in bancruptcy proceedings.
Flying Colors Forever!
 
toobz
Posts: 647
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:33 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:19 am

Bleh..that's one tail that should stay unlit.
 
Wingtips56
Posts: 762
Joined: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:26 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:21 am

Advertising is nice, and the airport staff will appreciate it too. I used to work nights, peering out the window or standing in the JetWay looking at every flight on final and touchdown....everything has 3 headlights, so it was very helpful to have the tails lit, so you'd know it was your flight that just landed.
Worked for WestAir, Apollo Airways, Desert Pacific, Western, AirCal and American Airlines
 
trnswrld
Posts: 1081
Joined: Sat May 22, 1999 2:19 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:30 am

Sweet, too bad they probably decommissioned all the logo light equipped TWA MD80's. those lights are mounted on the wingtips, although I imagine all your newer typical aircraft have them in the top of the horizontal stabilizers and would be a relatively easy mod (I would imagine), where as the MD80's have to have a special part attached to the wingtip. Then again maybe the MD's won't ever see the logo lights with AA.
 
bpat777
Topic Author
Posts: 560
Joined: Sun Nov 28, 1999 8:21 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:30 am

Growing up in the Nyc area I remember seeing the AB6 and DC-10s fly around with their tails lit up. I'm looking forward to seeing them again in the near future just hope they paint a few of the MD-80s too.
 
airliner371
Posts: 2131
Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:53 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:51 am

So what airlines does that leave that don't have logo lights?
 
User avatar
jfklganyc
Posts: 4077
Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:31 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:09 am

From a safety standpoint they should be mandated at night when taxiing. Much easier to see aircraft with logo lights
 
United727
Posts: 351
Joined: Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:26 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:12 am

Quoting contrails (Reply 1):

It will look nice, but how much will it cost?

AA is spending a lot of money on paint and lighting for a company in bancruptcy proceedings.

Safety...maybe??? Otherwise not a huge concern right now. HELLO...Bankruptcy!?!?
 
nutsaboutplanes
Posts: 456
Joined: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:37 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:36 am

On aircraft that are already equipped with them, they are likely just tagged out. The circuit breakers are probably collared and they just need to be RTS with new light bulbs......dont imagine it will break the bank. This said nothing about retrofits.
American Airlines, US Airways, Alaska Airlines, Northwest Airlines, America West Airlines, USAFR
 
Byrdluvs747
Posts: 2389
Joined: Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:25 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:52 am

It's nice that AA is finally doing this. It would also be great it they installed the tail mounted cameras tied into the IFE as well.
The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
 
ckfred
Posts: 4763
Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2001 12:50 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:00 am

My understanding is that with the advent of LED lighting, lighting the tail is less of an issue. LED lights draw less current, and they last far longer.
 
AAR90
Posts: 3140
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2000 11:51 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:05 am

"Finally" isn't the word I would use since this will only be the FOURTH time AA has "reactivated" logo lights during my career.
*NO CARRIER* -- A Naval Aviator's worst nightmare!
 
N243NW
Posts: 1597
Joined: Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:29 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:38 am

Quoting United727 (Reply 8):
HELLO...Bankruptcy!?!?

Has almost nothing to do with the decision. AA has been investing a lot of money in modernizing its fleet and in-flight product in the last few months, and IMO it's money well spent.

Most of the 737s, all Airbuses, and all 777s will have the logo lights (re)activated. There are no plans to illuminate any MD80s, 757s or 767s.
B-52s don't take off. They scare the ground away.
 
BMI727
Posts: 11175
Joined: Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:29 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:02 am

Quoting bpat777 (Thread starter):
AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Why? American doesn't have their logo on their tails, and the design on the tail covers the entire tail and then some so the light will only illuminate a portion of it.

Not that the costs involved are huge or seeing the design at night is hugely important, but still. Depending on how exactly the lights are arranged you might just get a couple bars and not the flag effect.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
 
fraspotter
Posts: 1979
Joined: Sat May 08, 2004 8:12 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:41 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
Why? American doesn't have their logo on their tails, and the design on the tail covers the entire tail and then some so the light will only illuminate a portion of it.

Ok well "logo lights" is most likely NOT the official name for this. Granted American's logo isn't on their tail, the flag is still a large part of the brand that is the new American Airlines...
"Taking off is optional. It’s landing that’s mandatory."
 
richiemo
Posts: 150
Joined: Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:15 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:38 am

I don't think Delta lights its tails. They may be the only ones?
 
User avatar
DL_Mech
Posts: 2083
Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2000 7:48 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:49 am

Quoting richiemo (Reply 16):
I don't think Delta lights its tails. They may be the only ones?
DL typically only have logo lights on International aircraft. The few domestic a/c that are equipped with them, have them deactivated. There are exceptions, as I have recently seen a newly delivered MD-90 with them still active. They are a major league pain in the a$$ to maintain. This is for PMDL a/c, but I believe the PMNW fleet is similar.

[Edited 2013-04-05 04:54:11]
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
iFlyLOTs
Posts: 493
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:45 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:50 am

They actually tweeted a picture of their 77W with the lights on it



I think it looks good all lit up at night.
"...stay hungry, stay foolish" -Steve Jobs
 
finnishway
Posts: 477
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:17 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:57 am

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 18):
They actually tweeted a picture of their 77W with the lights on it

It looks absolutely beautiful!
 
deltal1011man
Posts: 4752
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:17 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:22 pm

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 17):
DL typically only have logo lights on International aircraft. The few domestic a/c that are equipped with them, have them deactivated. There are exceptions, as I have recently seen a newly delivered MD-90 with them still active. They are a major league pain in the a$$ to maintain. This is for PMDL a/c, but I believe the PMNW fleet is similar.

I thought i saw a memo not to long ago that they were going to using them again on airplanes that have them(Domestic)
IIRC the 737s have them and the 320s do not. I can't remember if the 88s have them or not. 90s i think are hit or miss.
New airliners.net web site sucks....
Also the mods want to kill free speech and prevent people from saying things like the above. Better say nothing about awesomeness for this place or else!
 
User avatar
DL_Mech
Posts: 2083
Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2000 7:48 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:27 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 20):
IIRC the 737s have them

The -800s don't, not sure about the -700s.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 20):
I can't remember if the 88s have them or not

None have them.

The ATA 757s have them deactivated, and all former Western a/c had them deactivated (which are now all gone from the fleet)

[Edited 2013-04-05 05:28:06]
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
User avatar
KGRB
Posts: 662
Joined: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:19 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:09 pm

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 17):
DL typically only have logo lights on International aircraft. The few domestic a/c that are equipped with them, have them deactivated. There are exceptions, as I have recently seen a newly delivered MD-90 with them still active. They are a major league pain in the a$$ to maintain. This is for PMDL a/c, but I believe the PMNW fleet is similar.

Interestingly, SkyWest has also has them, at least on their CR1/2s. I believe they are the only Delta Connection carrier to do so. It makes them easy to tell apart, which is great here in ATW, where our three RONs all come in around the same time.
Flown on: Air Wisconsin, America West, American, Compass, Delta, Endeavor Air, Envoy, ExpressJet, Mesa, Mesaba, Midwest Express, Northwest, Piedmont, Pinnacle, PSA, Skyway, SkyWest, United, US Airways
 
catiii
Posts: 2408
Joined: Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:18 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:04 pm

Quoting contrails (Reply 1):
It will look nice, but how much will it cost?

AA is spending a lot of money on paint and lighting for a company in bancruptcy proceedings.

Oh for the love of...

Rebranding the company is a smart move coming out of bankruptcy. It worked for DL. In addition, my outside opinion is that using the logo lights is a point of pride. We're proud of our company, we're proud of our logo, we're proud of our airplanes, and we want everyone to see it. Good morale boost.

Quoting richiemo (Reply 16):
I don't think Delta lights its tails. They may be the only ones?

I think the 757's have logo lights on them too.
 
spartanmjf
Posts: 459
Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:31 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:30 pm

IIRC (given that I have way too many flights of late, I probably do), Airtran lights the tails......
"Nuts to the man in 21D!"
 
cathay350
Posts: 2
Joined: Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:22 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:31 pm

i dont like it personally, that is one ugly tail
 
KingAir200
Posts: 668
Joined: Sun May 28, 2006 1:37 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:14 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 20):
I thought i saw a memo not to long ago that they were going to using them again on airplanes that have them(Domestic)

That's correct.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 20):
IIRC the 737s have them and the 320s do not. I can't remember if the 88s have them or not. 90s i think are hit or miss.

All Airbuses other than some of the oldest 320s left are logo light capable. Quite a few are flying around with the tails lit now. Only some used 90s have the lights. Original DLs, like the 88s, as DL_Mech said above, don't even have the housing for the bulbs. The DC-9 has the housing, but I haven't seen one of those in the dark in a loooong time, so I have no idea if they're coming back. Perhaps not, given the relatively limited time with the company they have left.


Quoting KGRB (Reply 22):
I believe they are the only Delta Connection carrier to do so

RP, S5, CP, and XJ CR9s seem to have have them often. EV is a mixed bag and I don't know about G7. 9E CRJ-200s don't have provisions for logo lights.
 
by738
Posts: 2459
Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2000 7:59 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:19 pm

was it the 737-200 that had the logo light reflector on the end of the main wing ?
 
trnswrld
Posts: 1081
Joined: Sat May 22, 1999 2:19 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:27 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 27):

was it the 737-200 that had the logo light reflector on the end of the main wing ?


I'm pretty sure some 737s had the logo light out on the wingtip as I remember some of them had a weird extra extension with what appeared to be a big light in it. So I assume that's what that was. As for other aircraft I know for sure the DC9, MD80, and 727 aircraft that were equipped all had them on the wingtips. I always thought that was really cool and looked awesome at night especially in fog. If you were seated behind the wings and flew at night those lights were actually kind of annoyingly bright inside the cabin, but I didn't care  

[Edited 2013-04-05 13:28:33]

[Edited 2013-04-05 13:31:08]
 
crAAzy
Posts: 546
Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:02 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:34 pm

Quoting spartanmjf (Reply 24):
Airtran lights the tails......

They do and it's a pretty great site seeing them cruise over Lake Michigan past down town Milwaukee on approach to MKE at night. Too bad AA's MD80 don't have them.

Although this seems to be a very minor detail for many (kindda like seat maps in American Way ... sigh), it really makes for some nice spotting at night in many locations.
 
oc2dc
Posts: 458
Joined: Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:38 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:34 pm

Apparently AA originally deactivated the tail lights b/c the light bulbs would constantly go out and it was expensive to replace.

Perhaps technology is better now so that the bulbs are more reliable.

Although i'm not a fan of the new tail, it's good to see AA tails lit up again.
I'm not complaining, I'm critiquing...
 
JAAlbert
Posts: 1567
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:43 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:26 pm

I have always thought a lighted tail demonstrates a bit of pride. They are quite beautiful at night and I love to see them lit as the planes approach the airport too.

As for AA's tail ....
Okay, I'll admit I was flabbergasted when I saw the reveal. I didn't know what to think - it didn't quite look finished or something. I have now seen a few of the new tails in and around SAN and the new design looks much better in person. And I have to admit it's growing on me. No other airline has a tail quite like it, which at the end of the day is probably a good thing brand-wise.
Love it or hate it, you certainly will know an AA aircraft when that tail goes by!
 
DualQual
Posts: 675
Joined: Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:10 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:27 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 27):

Also the 737-300/400/500 had the logo lights as an option on the wingtip. I say option because I don't recall UA's 733/735s having the housing out on the wingtip.
There's no known cure for stupid
 
redtailsforever
Posts: 84
Joined: Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:29 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:13 pm

Quoting KGRB (Reply 22):

I know Compass lights the E-170/175 tails. At night they're easy to spot on departure with the lit tail, and real bright wing strobes.
 
redtailsforever
Posts: 84
Joined: Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:29 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:17 pm

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 26):
All Airbuses other than some of the oldest 320s left are logo light capable. Quite a few are flying around with the tails lit now. Only some used 90s have the lights. Original DLs, like the 88s, as DL_Mech said above, don't even have the housing for the bulbs. The DC-9 has the housing, but I haven't seen one of those in the dark in a loooong time, so I have no idea if they're coming back. Perhaps not, given the relatively limited time with the company they have left.

I think the 757-300's are also lit, as well as the 767-400's. I don't think I've ever seen a 763 tail lit though.
 
md80fanatic
Posts: 2365
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:29 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:28 pm

Quoting N243NW (Reply 13):
Most of the 737s, all Airbuses, and all 777s will have the logo lights (re)activated. There are no plans to illuminate any MD80s, 757s or 767s.

The MDs are the only ones worth having the logo lights reactivated. Line up 737s, 757s, 767s all with their boring tails lit ... can you positively identify a 757 using only the logo light illuminated tail?
 
Mcoov
Posts: 141
Joined: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:14 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:35 pm

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 30):
Perhaps technology is better now so that the bulbs are more reliable.

LEDs man, those things are brighter, more durable and less energy demanding than the incandescent bulbs AA was probably using before.
 
LGA777
Posts: 954
Joined: Fri Jul 04, 2003 12:46 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:46 am

While I am not 100 pct positive I always thought logo lights were standard equipment on all Airbus aircraft yet a factory option on Boeing's. Yes there are some airlines operating Airbus equipment that have de-activated the logo lights but pretty sure they arrived from the factory with them. For example most airline that operate the A-320 family have logo lights while when it comes to 737 operators its about a 50-50 mix.

My 2 cents

LGA777
 
etops1
Posts: 833
Joined: Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:26 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:18 am

US uses their logo lights .
 
questions
Posts: 1165
Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:51 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:35 am

Quoting bpat777 (Thread starter):
I think the tails will look nice illuminated at night.

The only thing that will make that tail look good is repainting it!

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 18):
I think it looks good all lit up at night.

It will look even better at 32,000 feet in the dark when you can't see it!

Quoting finnishway (Reply 19):
It looks absolutely beautiful!

You're kidding, right?

Quoting toobz (Reply 2):
Bleh..that's one tail that should stay unlit.

Agree!

Quoting Cathay350 (Reply 25):
i dont like it personally, that is one ugly tail

Agree!

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 30):
Although i'm not a fan of the new tail,

Neither am I!

Argh, Doug Parker, please put a fork in the SCREAMING REDNECK livery!
 
L0VE2FLY
Posts: 861
Joined: Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:54 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:52 am

Quoting finnishway (Reply 19):
It looks absolutely beautiful!

   Compared to the new Finnair tail, yes it does look absolutely beautiful!   
 
psimpson
Posts: 260
Joined: Fri May 26, 2006 9:38 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:53 am

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 6):
So what airlines does that leave that don't have logo lights?

ELAL dont use logo lights.
 
Okie
Posts: 3610
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:30 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:54 am

TWA was the first airline to use tail logo lights and the first to have in flight movie.

That would indicate that at least some of the acquired MD80's should have the capability to light the tail but doubtful that any are going to repainted.


Okie
 
flyfree727
Posts: 304
Joined: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:11 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:31 am

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 30):
Apparently AA originally deactivated the tail lights b/c the light bulbs would constantly go out and it was expensive to replace.

Yes, pre-BK when times were "dire" the lights were cut off in a desperate attempt to keep the airline in business. Now that the BK process has been used to GUT the labor contract, money is a free-flowing at AMR
  

AA ORD

NO BASHING.!! it was a (semi) Joke!
 
trnswrld
Posts: 1081
Joined: Sat May 22, 1999 2:19 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:38 pm

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 37):
LEDs man, those things are brighter, more durable and less energy demanding than the incandescent bulbs AA was probably using before

Most aircraft lighting isn't LED yet. I would be VERY surprised if any aircraft flying uses an LED bulb to illuminate the tail. So although your argument about lighting being much more advanced now is true, it doesn't really apply to logo lamps....yet anyway. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
 
nutsaboutplanes
Posts: 456
Joined: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:37 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:33 pm

Quoting TrnsWrld (Reply 44):
Most aircraft lighting isn't LED yet. I would be VERY surprised if any aircraft flying uses an LED bulb to illuminate the tail. So although your argument about lighting being much more advanced now is true, it doesn't really apply to logo lamps....yet anyway. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.




That's a good question. I saw an AS 739ER yesterday night and noticed the tail logo seemed VERY bright....I actually thought that it looked like LED but I have no idea.
American Airlines, US Airways, Alaska Airlines, Northwest Airlines, America West Airlines, USAFR
 
n7371f
Posts: 958
Joined: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:54 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:38 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 20):
IIRC the 737s have them and the 320s do not. I can't remember if the 88s have them or not. 90s i think are hit or miss.

NWA had them on the 320's, at least some of them I know.

The last airline I can recall with a brilliant job of highlighting just the logo was the original Frontier. They had the lights on the end of the 737-200 wings that shot a light straight at the 'F' logo. Should find a pic of it. Pretty cool.
 
User avatar
KGRB
Posts: 662
Joined: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:19 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:13 pm

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 26):
RP, S5, CP, and XJ CR9s seem to have have them often.

Interesting. We only work EV, OO, and 9E in our station, so I don't see these other carriers enough.

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 26):
9E CRJ-200s don't have provisions for logo lights.

If they did they'd be INOP all of the time.  
Flown on: Air Wisconsin, America West, American, Compass, Delta, Endeavor Air, Envoy, ExpressJet, Mesa, Mesaba, Midwest Express, Northwest, Piedmont, Pinnacle, PSA, Skyway, SkyWest, United, US Airways
 
BlatantEcho
Posts: 1820
Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2000 10:11 am

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:10 pm

Why would you shine a light on the most hideous tail in commercial aviation?

American should fly their planes with a paper-bag over the tail.
Much more reasonable.
They're not handing trophies out today
 
sgtusmc96
Posts: 37
Joined: Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:11 pm

RE: AA To Start Using Logo Lights Again.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:23 pm

PMNW A319/20 have the logo lights. NW deactivated them around 2006-07. They have been reactivated just worked on one last night. They do burn out all the time and like previously said are a pain in the ass. But it does look great with the tails all lit up. I believe only 3201-10 were the only A320's delivered with out the logo lights. I worked 3227 last night so know it has them.

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos