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What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:58 am

For all 727 lovers, this airport is SVMD, at about 5000 feet in the andes, with a runway of only... About 5000 ft. I was born in this city and grew up taking off and landing on 727s such as the one on the video and on DC9s as well. You would think they had payload restrictions... But i remember full flights.... Enjoy:

http://youtu.be/Z8JSm8xxxwE
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Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:09 am

Thanks for the link. Watching the three-holers brings back memories.
 
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:05 am

That's a cool video! The 727s were good ole birds!!!
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:18 am

Great video. I only flew the B727 for 2 years and while I wasn't wowed by the old fashioned systems the runway performance was outstanding. Solid plane.
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:46 am

This one never ceases to amaze me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib2TuWs-mOQ

I took off several times and landed on LAP to and from VVI. It was always an epic experience and passing right to Mt. illimani was humbling.
 
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:01 am

Was this pilot training? Would it be fair to say the 727 was made for these kinds of short runway situations? I'm also kind of wondering if you have to be careful of hot brakes if you do repeated takeoffs and landings?
 
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Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:53 pm

Nice Video. Thanks for sharing. Such a great aircraft.
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Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:06 pm

I've heard that PanAm was involved with Boeing in the development of the 727 so they could have an aircraft capable of short field ops through the Caribbean. Boeing definitely made that happen!
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:20 pm

The 727 was a capable and solid aircraft...there were videos on here showing a 727-200 converted freighter doing unprepared field ops in Africa.,Really impressive, seeing a heavily loaded freighter full of oil drilling parts landing on a dirt strip...if anyone knows the link please post as it is great too!
 
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:50 pm

The SVMD footage is very impressive. The highlight is definitely the go-around which they left it very late. The aircraft looked like it had flared too much, only to see it rocket away, seemingly scraping the tops of the mountains.

As for other amazing 727 feats, one can never forget the World 727 in Vietnam...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzcWZ7j1iTg
 
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:54 pm

Quoting glideslope (Reply 6):
Such a great aircraft.

I agree. It's a big classic in the history of civil aviation.

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 7):
've heard that PanAm was involved with Boeing in the development of the 727

So were Eastern and United. What made the 727 capable of short runway operations was its flap design: it was designed with a triple slotted flap ( and so was the 747, but not the SP) so that the lift and drag would be increased upon approach and landing, thus making the aircraft land smoothly and with a shorter distance. When the 727-100 entered service in 1964 with the following major US airlines, American, Eastern, Northwest, TWA and United, the ban to fly jets out of LGA in New York was lifted. The 727 was certified by the FAA to land on short runways.

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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:06 pm

I flew the 727 a lot in the 70's in Australia, TAA and ANSETT, had some amazing takeoffs, it was really a fun plane to fly in and I loved walking down the rear stairway, so unique!
 
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:13 pm

Quoting tsnamm (Reply 8):
The 727 was a capable and solid aircraft...there were videos on here showing a 727-200 converted freighter doing unprepared field ops in Africa.,Really impressive, seeing a heavily loaded freighter full of oil drilling parts landing on a dirt strip...if anyone knows the link please post as it is great too!


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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:16 pm

Ok. So it took off and landed a few times and did go around, (low approach). Or am I missing something here?
 
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:47 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 10):

Didnt Braniff, National, & Pan Am get the 727 in 1964 as well?
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:57 pm

The 727    Don't forget this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV4tgjSPgks
 
 
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:37 pm

Can someone clarify.... is it weird that they land and use heavy braking, and then proceed to turn around and take off and they put up the landing gear, isnt it supposed to wait till brakes cool down?....I remember a French accident related to very high temps on the gear...but I dont know the 727 procedure for such an event...

nice video...

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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:08 pm

What a great Video, how to have fun at the office each day.  
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:53 pm

Can anyone comment on flap configuration on first takeoff? I'm not very familiar with the 727, but that looks like a lot of flap extension for a takeoff to me?  
 
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:34 pm

Great vid.. I loved the 727 while it lasted - it was the main staple for us TK fliers back in the 80s - even though it almost invariably made me lightheaded and nauseated during take off and ascent.
 
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:43 pm

Quoting harmonium (Reply 19):
Can anyone comment on flap configuration on first takeoff? I'm not very familiar with the 727, but that looks like a lot of flap extension for a takeoff to me?

They could have been using a 25 degree flap takeoff vs the standard 15 degrees due to the shorter field length and elevation. Usually, with that T/O setting, normal rather than reduced power is required. With light weights (training and other special conditions--like just for fun-- your V1/V2 speeds are much lower. I've seen V1/V2 as low as 107/109 kts on a short ferry flight.
 
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:11 pm

Quoting cubastar (Reply 21):
They could have been using a 25 degree flap takeoff vs the standard 15 degrees due to the shorter field length and elevation.

Yes looks like 25 to me. Interesting fact I found out last week is that with the winglet mod you can do Flaps 30 takeoffs, at least that's what I have been told, we are about to operate one but I am waiting for the differences.
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:04 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 14):
Didnt Braniff, National, & Pan Am get the 727 in 1964 as well?

Maybe they did, if not 1964, 1965. But I am sure about the ones I mention they did get 727 in 1964. It is true, however, that they all flew the 100 Series prior to flying the 200 Series.
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 2:27 am

According to this site, Aeromoe which I find pretty accurate, Braniff got their first 727 in May 1966, National in October 1964 and Pan Am in December 1965.

http://www.aeromoe.com/fleets/airlines.html#index

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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:31 am

This is a great departure by a Yemeni head of state aircraft taking the leadership back to Yemen from Eritrea in a hurry to avert a coup of some kind - very sporty departure!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib2TuWs-mOQ
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:54 pm

Quoting cubastar (Reply 21):
I've seen V1/V2 as low as 107/109 kts on a short ferry flight.

Actually, after reading my post, I must correct my last statement. I intended to say a V1/ VR speed as low as 107/109 knots.
 
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:00 pm

Quoting Tbone354 (Reply 13):

I dont know if you expected rainbows coming out of the engines or something like that   but i think the video is nice given the short runway and airport location, in middle of the andes and at that height.

Thank you all for your comments. And thanks for the other videos as well.
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:21 pm

A very nice aircraft. Was lucky to fly on a few of them with AA and OA. Once was spotting at LHR and a TWA B727 from FRA was coming into land then did a last minute abort and the roar and power was unreal.
 
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:01 pm

Quoting carbon787 (Reply 11):
and I loved walking down the rear stairway, so unique!

The 727's ventral stairs weren't that unique. A few other types that had them:

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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:46 am

Quoting tb727 (Reply 12):
Here you go!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ghFu...ex=28



Thank You!! That's the one! That's just outrageous landing and taking off on the dirt strip...especially with a load! Crazy!
 
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RE: What A 727 Was Capable Of. Amazing Video.

Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:31 pm

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 17):
Can someone clarify.... is it weird that they land and use heavy braking, and then proceed to turn around and take off and they put up the landing gear, isnt it supposed to wait till brakes cool down?....I remember a French accident related to very high temps on the gear...but I dont know the 727 procedure for such an event...

My guess is that given the altitude and high terrain, they need all the aerodynamics that they can get in order to pick up speed and altitude quickly.

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