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How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?

Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:06 am

How many Boeing 747-SPs are still around. I remember when they first came out in 1975 going to Pan Am. How many airframes were built? I heard Pan Am had plans to order some DC-10s(before the National merger) but Boeing built the 747-SP to keep Pan Am from going to Mcdonnell Douglas for planes. Pan Am was the only US air carrier to fly the SP in addition I think TWA had 2 in their fleet. American Airlines operated the SP for a short period for their DFW-Tokyo route,I beleive those were ex-TWAs.
When did Pan Am retire their SPs.How many did PA have?
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:17 am

I think you can find your 747SP questions here:

http://www.747sp.com/
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:49 am

I believe P4-FSH suffered a hard landing. Whether it will be repaired was open to question last I heard.
 
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RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?

Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:12 am

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
Pan Am was the only US air carrier to fly the SP in addition I think TWA had 2 in their fleet.

Braniff also.

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
American Airlines operated the SP for a short period for their DFW-Tokyo route,I beleive those were ex-TWAs.

Yes they were. American had two of them, N601AA and N602AA both SP-31s coming from TWA. They were in the fleet from 1987 to 1992, and flew like you say DFW-NRT until 1991 when the MD-11 arrived. When the MD-11 took over DFW-NRT, the 2 SPs were put on the JFK-BRU flight for a year. Once the SP's left the fleet in the middle of 1992, JFK-BRU got the 767 back.

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
When did Pan Am retire their SPs.How many did PA have?

Pan Am had 11 of them, out of 45 that Boeing built in total. They flew them from 1976 until 1986 when United took over Pan Am's TPAC routes. The 11 SP-21s went to United which flew them until the mid 1990s. By then, the SPs were retired for good. The SPs were replaced by 400s on TPAC routes. Out of 11 SPs United flew, painted in the then Saul Bass livery, only one has seen the battle ship livery. I believe that one of the ex-United SPs was converted to a stratospheric observation laboratory (SOFIA) aircraft.

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Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:16 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
Braniff also.

Indeed--my username. The big orange.

To answer the OP: http://www.747sp.com/production-list/

Mostly, the in-service frames are operated by IR. A few are operated as VIP in the middle east, with two more with Sands.
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:46 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
I believe that one of the ex-United SPs was converted to a stratospheric observation laboratory (SOFIA) aircraft.

Former Pan Am Clipper Lindbergh N536PA. It was the only 747SP United painted in battle ship grey as N145UA. Flying for NASA now it has been rechristened Clipper Lindbergh.
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:48 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 2):
I believe P4-FSH suffered a hard landing. Whether it will be repaired was open to question last I heard.

It flew last month.
 
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RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?

Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:21 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
Out of 11 SPs United flew, painted in the then Saul Bass livery, only one has seen the battle ship livery. I believe that one of the ex-United SPs was converted to a stratospheric observation laboratory (SOFIA) aircraft.

Yep,N147UA was the only one in the (IMO) beautiful grey scheme. It is now N747NA the SOFIA platform.
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:02 pm

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 4):
Indeed--my username. The big orange.

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...and this one still flying too. Operated as a private jet for Fry's Electronics and based in KMCC (Sacramento, CA)
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:37 pm

I think one is on static display in Africa somewhere,A youtube video saying once it lands it can never take off because the runways are too short.
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:41 pm

Quoting doulasc (Reply 9):
I think one is on static display in Africa somewhere,A youtube video saying once it lands it can never take off because the runways are too short.


Yes - at the South African Airways Museum Society

http://www.saamuseum.co.za/component/content/article/43.html

Here is a video of the SA 747SP final landing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai8KY4pxxgw



[Edited 2013-04-06 07:28:19]
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:56 pm

There is an SP parked at CAK. Supposedly it is still airworthy and is owned by a rich church minister or some such nonsense.
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 2:01 pm

Any word on what will happen to N4522V in TIJ ? I read it has a cracked spar or corrosion.
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RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?

Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:06 pm

Quoting na (Reply 6):
It flew last month.

Thanks for the update.

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 11):
There is an SP parked at CAK. Supposedly it is still airworthy and is owned by a rich church minister or some such nonsense.

That's P4-FSH, previously mentioned, owned and operated by the Ernest Angley Ministries of Akron.
 
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RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?

Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:41 pm

We have two of them based here in Las Vegas owned by Las Vegas Sands. One is currently in D check also getting a new cabin interior. Always fun to see those take off heading to pick up some high rollers.
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RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?

Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:23 pm

Saudi Arabia have HZ-AIF for the king and HZ-HM1B . I once flew on AIF before it was converted for the King. The only SP I ever got to fly on sadly.
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:29 pm

I saw the Bahrain Govt one A9C-HAK on my last visit to LHR 21 March...taxied right past me on it's way out to depart on 9R...great looking bird, think she's the last SP built.
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:34 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
Pan Am had 11 of them, out of 45 that Boeing built in total. They flew them from 1976 until 1986 when United took over Pan Am's TPAC routes. The 11 SP-21s went to United which flew them until the mid 1990s.

Minor correction. Pan Am's 10 factory-delivered aircraft were SP-21s. The 11th was an SP-27 acquired from Braniff.
 
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RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?

Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:48 pm

There's one still in UA (pre Battleship) colors at ACY, the FAA uses it and I'm not sure if it still flies.
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RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?

Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:11 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 18):
There's one still in UA (pre Battleship) colors at ACY, the FAA uses it and I'm not sure if it still flies.

Not in a long time.
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RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?

Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:32 pm

Pratt & Whitney has two of them based at CYMX. They use them as engine test beds.
 
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RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?

Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:09 pm

Quoting na (Reply 6):
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 2):
I believe P4-FSH suffered a hard landing. Whether it will be repaired was open to question last I heard.

It flew last month.

Yep, it flys all the time and is still active. I see it when I do training flights to cak all the time
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Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:39 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 13):
That's P4-FSH

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RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?

Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:48 am

Anyone remember the very old UA ad that had a brief shot of an SP taxiing at SFO (I think)?
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:05 pm

Here's a curious fact. I was looking up information on Braniff's fleet, and they had flown 3 747SP's I checked what had happened to them after Braniff's demise, and all 3 are listed as still active-one is Frye's (this is the one that went to PA), one is owned by the Yemen government, and the third is a Royal Flight of Oman bird.
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RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?

Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:21 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 22):
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 13):
That's P4-FSH

Why register 'Star Triple Seven' in Aruba?

Taxes . Aruba ,the Caymans and Bermuda are tax havens.
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RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?

Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:49 pm

Quoting flylku (Reply 23):
Anyone remember the very old UA ad that had a brief shot of an SP taxiing at SFO (I think)?

I believe it was an SP taxiing/landing in HKG. Was the Rhapsody in Blue/United's Pacific ad I believe.
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RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?

Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:10 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 12):
Any word on what will happen to N4522V in TIJ ? I read it has a cracked spar or corrosion.

I'm also interested in what happened to N4522V since it's been in TIJ, I remember when it was up north here at YQT, it made the local news because it was such a big plane at a smaller sized airport. Also my first photo on Airliners was of N4522V's tail.

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RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?

Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:55 am

Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 27):
Quoting United_fan (Reply 12):
Any word on what will happen to N4522V in TIJ ? I read it has a cracked spar or corrosion.

I'm also interested in what happened to N4522V since it's been in TIJ, I remember when it was up north here at YQT, it made the local news because it was such a big plane at a smaller sized airport. Also my first photo on Airliners was of N4522V's tail.

Cal

I saw a picture of it inside a hangar. Probably end up derelict there .
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RE: How Many Boeing 747SPs Still Active?

Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:27 am

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 8):
Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 4):
Indeed--my username. The big orange.

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...and this one still flying too. Operated as a private jet for Fry's Electronics and based in KMCC (Sacramento, CA)



Indeed it is! As N747A, previously N747FU (my fav tail # of all time). From what the reps told us, they chose the N747FU tail number because the FAA was giving them a hard time about issuing a CoA for the plane because it cam from overseas, from the Omani Royal flight fleet, and it was behind in the required system updates to be 'N' registered. When the FAA finally gave them the CoA that registration was chosen as a jab back to the FAA. Dont know if the reps were pulling our legs or not, but it sounded good to us! I was working in ROW when William Fry flew in on a Saberliner with his flight crew to pick it up and fly it to SoCal Aviation for its C-Check and interior mod. Mr. Fry was a really nice guy, had a ring that was as big around as my watch tho... His flight crew were some of the acrobatic team pilots, I have some pics of the interior while it still had the Omani Royal flight interior in it somewhere... I will see if i can dig them up for you guys.  
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