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Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:06 am

Found some intresting summer DL AC upgrades. Anything else you all see out there?

CVG SEA 757 1X
CVG SFO 757 1X
ATL PDX 763 1X
ATL FLL 763 1X
ATL SLC 753 2X
ATL DEN 763 1X
ATL SAN 753 1X
ATL SEA 752 1X
DTW SEA 763 2X
DTW LAX 763 3X
DTW SFO 763 1X
MSP SEA 763 2X
 
 
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:11 am

Cincinnati is also getting mainline back on its Denver run. A320, I believe.
 
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:48 am

Not the biggest thing in the world but the evening CMH-MSP flight is getting an MD90 at least six days a week during mid-summer. Don't know if that has happened before, but I dont think there is a great deal of mainline service on CMH-MSP normally.
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:53 am

Interesting! I believe this is the first time ever to get regularly scheduled 753 service into SAN.
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:07 am

Lots of SEA upgrades. Is this a shot across the bow at AS? They have both been treading on each other's territory lately.
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:18 am

My SJU-ATL on July 17 has been upgraded to a 753. I think this summer is the first time DL is scheduling 753s into SJU. In July there are 2x 753 on SJU-ATL.

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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:20 am

I notice MKE-MSP gets 753 1x starting in July.
 
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:32 am

I'm surprised to see all of these upgrades to SEA. This relationship between DL and AS is getting quite interesting. Especially if they would launch the SEA-LHR flight, side note does anyone know how many daily flights DL has in and out of SEA?
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:34 am

Quoting pilotfox (Reply 6):

I notice MKE-MSP gets 753 1x starting in July.

Return of an old Northwest run.

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 4):
Lots of SEA upgrades. Is this a shot across the bow at AS? They have both been treading on each other's territory lately.

No. DL went 2x 763 last summer and even 3x for a few weeks I believe. DL and NW before ratchet up MSP-SEA every summer as loads go ballistic.

PDX and GEG are similar from MSP. GEG goes 3x 757 from 2x on 320/M90.

Quoting FlyAA757 (Thread starter):
ATL PDX 763 1X

Is this a 76Q or a 76D that's being ferried out for NRT? If it's a domestic, that definitely is interesting. I have a hunch it's an international 767 as Delta has done this on PDX before, albeit for short periods.
 
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:47 am

MSP-SFO 763 1x
MSP-MCI 757 1x
MSP-MDW 319 1x (this route hasn't seen mainline in years)
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:48 am

The last SLC-IAH flight is now an A320. That's the first time in a many years that mainline has operated between the two cities.
 
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:56 am

Quoting premobrimo (Reply 9):
MSP-MDW 319 1x (this route hasn't seen mainline in years)

Because Sun Country is adding 2x 73G.
 
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:59 am

Quoting bpat777 (Reply 10):
The last SLC-IAH flight is now an A320. That's the first time in a many years that mainline has operated between the two cities.

In June its a 738 on that same turn and it looks to go 320 in July. Also of note HOU-ATL goes all mainline with a mixture of 319s and M88s.
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:02 am

Quoting n7371f (Reply 11):

Delta is pulling a frequency off the route, so the daily pax count for the day is neutral.
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:26 am

Quoting pilotfox (Reply 6):
Quoting premobrimo (Reply 9):

Wow, a few cities are seeing the return of the -57. Good for them.
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:56 am

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 12):
Also of note HOU-ATL goes all mainline with a mixture of 319s and M88s.

Gotta give DL credit for trying to find a way to gain ground of some kind in Houston, trying things at both IAH and HOU.

And as a regular BZE-ATL-HOU flier...yay for mainline!
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:07 am

A lot of the 763 upgrades typically happen each summer.
The most interesting ones are the the 763 on ATL-DEN.

757 service back to CVG, its been a few years.

DTW-OMA gets mainline A320 back on 1 flight day during the summer. This hasn't happened in at least a decade, if ever.
 
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:09 am

Also,

MSP-BOS 2x 757 some days, haven't seen the 75 on this route for a while
MSP-BUF 1x 319
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:16 am

I noticed that STL-MSP goes up to seven flights this summer, it seems to have been largely held at six recently. It will be operated 4x M90 / 2x E75 / 1x CR9. STL-ATL also returns to 2x 757 / 3x M90 / 3x M88 this summer.

This has been mentioned in previous threads, but the change to 2x 319 / 1x CR7 on ATL-BMI this summer is also interesting.
 
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:32 am

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 4):
Lots of SEA upgrades. Is this a shot across the bow at AS? They have both been treading on each other's territory lately.

No...

SEA sees major upgauges/frequency bumps this time of year by Delta. Everything in that corner really including PDX and GEG. Also the start of the seasonal DTW-PDX run.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 8):
Is this a 76Q or a 76D that's being ferried out for NRT? If it's a domestic, that definitely is interesting. I have a hunch it's an international 767 as Delta has done this on PDX before, albeit for short periods.

Daily 76Q starting on 06/10. DL 773 gets the 76Q. An additional noon departure is added w/738 equipment and DL 1576 is downgraded to a 738. DL 1357 (currently 1287) remains the same. On 07/02 1357 bumps up to a 752.
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:45 am

Here's a good one I bet no one saw coming...

JFK-STI 4x 738

There's never been this much traffic on Delta to Santiago. The route is about 80% VFR if not more and the fares are always high. During peak season, both 737s are usually PACKED. F almost never sees any sales but the a/c itself will be booked to 160 (coach being oversold by 16 or more).

JFK-LAX 4x 76Z, 3x 752 (starting in June)
JFK-SEA 4x 752, 1x 76L ^^^^

Previously announced but worth mentioning

LAX-LAS 4x 319, 2x 728, 1x CR9 (has matured quite a bit in 3 years; was all DCI)
LAX-SFO 10xCR7/9, 1x 738

ATL-ANC 1x 757 (has not operated for quite some time)

[Edited 2013-04-08 22:23:05]
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:18 am

2nd daily DTW-PDX, traditionally has been 1x daily during the summer at least going back to the NW pre-bankruptcy days.
 
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:17 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 20):
JFK-STI 4x 738

They're cash cows. The DR runs are literally finding B6s expansion in BOS.

Except if you're AA...
 
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:53 pm

Where does DL get the enough aircraft felxibility to do these things? Look at all these adjustments and frequency increases. Where do they get the aircraft surplus from?
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:00 pm

Primarily increased aircraft utilization.

Less capacity to sun markets in the summer (e.g., DTW, MSP, Northeast - Florida), redeployed on West Coast and Summer vacation destinations (Alaska, Mountain West, West Coast).
 
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:03 pm

Some other cool ones:

320 on SLC-YVR. Not sure when that route last saw mainline.
764 on ATL-JFK. Upgauge from the usual international 763.
Daily 76W on DTW-ATL. I don't think this has typically been daily in the past. Better utilization of the aircraft that flies DTW-GRU.

Quoting FlyAA757 (Thread starter):
ATL SAN 753 1X

There is actually a 763 on ATL-SAN. It's DTW-SAN that gets the 753.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 8):
Is this a 76Q or a 76D that's being ferried out for NRT? If it's a domestic, that definitely is interesting.

It's a domestic 763. Of course, the schedules aren't set in stone yet (I don't expect the June schedules to be firmed up for another few weeks), and I'm noticing aircraft switching around every week at this point when the e-timetable updates. I'm hoping that ATL-PDX, ATL-DEN, and ATL-FLL keep their daily 763 rotations.
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:11 pm

Quoting bpat777 (Reply 10):
The last SLC-IAH flight is now an A320. That's the first time in a many years that mainline has operated between the two cities.

Last time i saw mainline on SLC-IAH from DL was in 2005 with 733's!

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 12):
In June its a 738 on that same turn and it looks to go 320 in July. Also of note HOU-ATL goes all mainline with a mixture of 319s and M88s.

Damn good to see DL increase in Space City!

Quoting steex (Reply 18):
I noticed that STL-MSP goes up to seven flights this summer, it seems to have been largely held at six recently. It will be operated 4x M90 / 2x E75 / 1x CR9. STL-ATL also returns to 2x 757 / 3x M90 / 3x M88 this summer.

Good to see as well, I just wish we could get more mainline and eliminate all CRJ flying in/out of STL (save MEM of course).
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Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:12 pm

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 24):
Primarily increased aircraft utilization.

Less capacity to sun markets in the summer (e.g., DTW, MSP, Northeast - Florida), redeployed on West Coast and Summer vacation destinations (Alaska, Mountain West, West Coast).

One big item is that DL has more international planes than it currently needs. Capacity to Europe is way down this summer compared to years past, so DL has more planes to play with domestically.
 
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:17 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 23):

Where does DL get the enough aircraft felxibility to do these things? Look at all these adjustments and frequency increases. Where do they get the aircraft surplus from?

1) A lot of capacity is removed from the network during the winter. Several planes are pulled from the aircraft fleet and either stored or sent in scheduled maintenance or refurb work. Some planes are just under utilized but still remain in the active fleet. Other planes are scheduled into charter work. Bottom line, Delta has a lot of flexibility with its existing fleet and has for several years now. They could expand even more if they wanted too, but their focus is on maintaining capacity discipline. They add back just what they feel the heightened summer demand warrants and pulls the capacity down again after summer (seemingly increasing the amount of the pulldown every year).

2) Also, Delta is currently bringing online almost 100 used MD90s and they start taking deliveries of 739s later this year. While most of these aircraft are for fleet renewal/replacement, they will be replacing smaller jets and much smaller jets in some situations. However, if the situation warrants they can always delay a retirement or two for added flexibility as needed.

There is a lot of flexibility in the domestic fleet and with the MD90s and 739s coming onboard there will be even more. On the international side Delta has not flown their fleet near maximum utilization for some time, they have couple planes in the desert, several in mod work, and some in the active fleet that just arent being utilized as much as they could. Considering that Delta believes in maintaing an older low-cost fleet as oppose to high capital intense new fleet, expect this situation to occur for quite some time where they have the flexibility to park aircraft at little cost and maintain the flexibility to add and remove capacity as needed with short lead time.
 
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:21 pm

Quoting brooklynchris13 (Reply 2):
Not the biggest thing in the world but the evening CMH-MSP flight is getting an MD90 at least six days a week during mid-summer. Don't know if that has happened before, but I dont think there is a great deal of mainline service on CMH-MSP normally.

Yes, it operated as an MD-90 and also once as MD-88 IIRC. This is an oddball route and really took CMH-SLC out as an option for this market (CMH, my base). SLC-CMH-SLC once operated as MD-90 for a while also. But MSP options plus the (now on again) seasonal 3x weekly CMH-LAX-CMH route, team 614 is well covered Westbound.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 16):
757 service back to CVG, its been a few year

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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:00 pm

Quoting premobrimo (Reply 17):
MSP-BUF 1x 319

Wish ROC had mainline to MSP.

Quoting FlyAA757 (Thread starter):
ATL FLL 763 1X

I could see in the Winter time,but Summer ?
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:06 pm

ATL-FLL 763 ...Awesome! Its like the 90s Delta. They need to add the 763s back into LGA and I am a happy camper.

And ATL-HOU all mainline...that is great.
 
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:12 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 30):

I wish PVD could get mainlune to DTW or MSP. I have seen tbe occasional a319 or E175 on PVD-MSP but that was a year or two ago.
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:41 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 30):
I could see in the Winter time,but Summer ?

It's high season for flights to Florida during this time of year. All the kids are out of school.

Quoting DalDC9Bos (Reply 31):
They need to add the 763s back into LGA and I am a happy camper

Don't worry. I'm sure we'll see plenty of one-off flights to LGA on the 76Q. There were quite a few last year to LGA and BOS.
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:59 pm

Quoting Scooter (Reply 3):
Interesting! I believe this is the first time ever to get regularly scheduled 753 service into SAN.

I believe you are correct.

I'm wondering if the 753 has not been used at SAN in the past due to space limitations at our domestic gates? Starting this month, DL will begin using new gates (as part of the Green Build's gradual opening) which perhaps allow longer a/c... (I guess I'll have to check the length of the 753 as compared to the 763 that has been used here forever by DL and AA, and others.)

Anyway, it's nice to see a new bird in town!

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Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:14 pm

On the flip side, MSP-PDX is only MD-90s and 738s this summer. As recently as last summer they were running a couple 753s a day weren't they?
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:35 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 26):
Damn good to see DL increase in Space City!

I found starting in August ATL-IAH-IAH gets a daily 757 turn...bout time.
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:46 pm

Domestic 767 route at SFO. Nice!
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:51 pm

Love the 763 to DEN! The MD-XXs are packed in the winter, as were the 757s a few years ago. Hopefully we can keep this. Widebodies at DEN are all too rare  
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 36):
I found starting in August ATL-IAH-IAH gets a daily 757 turn...bout time.

I agree. DL has so many 757s, I think a city as large as Houston easily deserves one flight a day on one. Actually more, but I somehow doubt that knowing DL.

Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 35):
MSP-PDX is only MD-90s and 738s this summer. As recently as last summer they were running a couple 753s a day weren't they?

I don't know for sure the answer, but I wouldn't be surprised. The 757 route system (the north part mostly inherited from NW) has seen major changes in the past couple years.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 34):
which perhaps allow longer a/c... (I guess I'll have to check the length of the 753 as compared to the 763 that has been used here forever by DL and AA, and others.)

The 753 is about 2 feet shorter than the 763 model. (178 feet vs 180). They can easily fit the Widebody gates. But looking at the constrained gate space, I doubt they could fit in a narrowbody gate for the sub-140 foot 737.

Quoting United_fan (Reply 30):
I could see in the Winter time,but Summer ?

Miami area (Including PBI, MIA, FLL areas) in the summer are quite busy. I see your logic, but the ATL-FLL 763 is easily justifiable, mostly filled by connecting passengers from cooler north/international areas.
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:55 pm

Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 35):
On the flip side, MSP-PDX is only MD-90s and 738s this summer. As recently as last summer they were running a couple 753s a day weren't they?

That was back when they were doing PDX-HNL...

Here are some summer upgrades that I know of

ATL-COS 738 > 752
MSP-YYC add's a 319
MSP-BOI 2x 320 2x CR9
MSP-GEG goes to 3x 752
MSP-LGA is all 320
MSP-RDU gets an 319
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:11 am

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 39):
ATL-COS 738 > 752

That sure ain't an upgrade. Grr.

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 39):
MSP-CMH 738/ CMH-MSP 320

Interesting. Comparable capacity, but very slight changes in F/Y/Total.
 
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:57 am

It also looks like one of the SLC-DEN frequencies will be on an A320, at least through July. This route has been all CRJ for quite a while now.
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:51 am

Quoting OA412 (Reply 41):
It also looks like one of the SLC-DEN frequencies will be on an A320, at least through July. This route has been all CRJ for quite a while now.

In addition, PHX-SLC will go mostly mainline (save for the morning CR9 flight) with 2x A320, 1x 738, and 1x MD90. Also, PHX-MEM is going mainline on an A319. However, it looks like PHX-CVG isn't returning as planned.

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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:55 am

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 22):

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 20):
JFK-STI 4x 738

They're cash cows. The DR runs are literally finding B6s expansion in BOS.

Except if you're AA...


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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:56 am

I'm not too sure if this is a summer upgrade but GSO gets 3 mainline RON's 2- M88's and a 738.
 
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:10 am

JAX gets:

ATL =10x 752, 1xM88, 1x753

I think that is the first 753 scheduled into JAX, can anyone also verify this?
 
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:15 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 42):
However, it looks like PHX-CVG isn't returning as planned.

I was pretty sure that they were only planning on operating that flight in the late winter/early spring when they first made it seasonal. I wasn't expecting it to be back this summer.
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:34 am

Quoting FSDan (Reply 46):
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 42):
However, it looks like PHX-CVG isn't returning as planned.

I was pretty sure that they were only planning on operating that flight in the late winter/early spring when they first made it seasonal. I wasn't expecting it to be back this summer.

   When it was announced as seasonal it was only ever going to come back for a few weeks in March/April during Reds spring training in Arizona.
 
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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:01 am

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 38):
The 753 is about 2 feet shorter than the 763 model. (178 feet vs 180). They can easily fit the Widebody gates. But looking at the constrained gate space, I doubt they could fit in a narrowbody gate for the sub-140 foot 737.

Thanks for the figures. (I still hadn't a chance to look it up myself.) So I guess the length of the 753 hasn't been an issue at SAN; I know that at least 1 (possibly 2) of DL's regular gates is 763-capable. In past summers, we've seen as many as 3 DL 763s serving SAN and it appears that this year, more cities are seeing the Fat Ladies with the 753s now replacing some of the past 767-service.

With new (Green Build) gates 42-47 opening any day now, and existing gates 37-41 temporarily closing for re-modeling, I'm not sure which of the new gates are wide-body capable. (I don't believe it's all of them.) I guess we'll find out soon!

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RE: Interesting Summer DL Upgrades

Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:10 am

Looks like it will be a good summer but no cool upgrades for PHX this summer   hopefully the 753s stay on the PHX-DTW run.
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