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Bombardier CSeries Update Part 4

Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:39 am

The last thread was getting pretty long. Therefor Part 4 is being created to continue the discussion. The previous thread can be found here Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3 (by queb Jan 21 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 4

Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:46 am

Would a newspaper like the National Post try to verify a story before posting it? Seems it would be foolish to have to retract the story afterwards.

http://business.financialpost.com/20...ounce-order-for-bombardier-planes/
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 4

Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:44 am

When the CSeries program was launched, there was talk of a CS100XP-type a/c, with improved field performance, ostensibly intended for the Chinese market. Not much talk about it lately, but wondering if PD will opt for that variant. This could allow them to operate YTZ-YHZ and YTZ-YWG, among other routes. Perhaps YYC and YEG as well. It will be very interesting to see what is announced at the press conference.
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 4

Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:30 am

the original link from WSJ

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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 4

Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:32 am

I thought that was for a CS300XT.

In any event, I still don't see them operating the CSeries from the Island. Not allowed by the tripartite agreement. And not a lot of margin when operating from YTZ. They can already serve many of those places with the Q400.

That said, I'd love to see Deluce make the case for jets at YTZ based on noise emissions rather than silly engine type restrictions.
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 4

Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:34 am

To add, I think Deluce is buying these planes to start something out West.
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 4

Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:15 pm

Quoting YTZ (Reply 4):
In any event, I still don't see them operating the CSeries from the Island. Not allowed by the tripartite agreement.

Changing the agreement would be a political decision but demonstrating how quiet the a/c is should go a long way towards that goal.
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 4

Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:31 pm

Development program up^date included in Porter Airlines order PR

http://ow.ly/d/1aLT

The first CSeries flight test vehicle (FTV1) is in its final stages of build and is progressing towards the
transfer to the flight test phase following the completion of the full powering up of the main electrical
distribution system in March 2013. The CSeries aircraft is moving closer to obtaining the safety-of-flight
permit following the successful completion of the critical series of structural and system tests. The
fly-by-wire system testing continues and to date, tests have shown results as expected. As for the
assembly of the other flight test vehicles: systems installations are being completed on FTV2; the wings
are being mated on FTV3; and the fuselage on FTV4 has entered into the assembly stage - all of which
are advancing to schedule.

[Edited 2013-04-10 08:32:42]
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 4

Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:31 pm

The thread re the Porter announcement is drawing significant interest, and I thought of posting this comment there... but it could go here just as well, so here goes...

given that Porter's order of 30 aircraft is conditional (and some would say unlikely to come about), is this really a good development for the program? Put another way, has BBD just lost 12 orders and18 option which were previously thought to be "firm"?

http://business.financialpost.com/20...n-to-buy-cseries-jets-fly-farther/
 
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 4

Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:34 pm

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 8):
given that Porter's order of 30 aircraft is conditional (and some would say unlikely to come about), is this really a good development for the program? Put another way, has BBD just lost 12 orders and 18 option which were previously thought to be "firm"?

Well... LOIs are to be taken carefully... they're not a firm order until they are signed but I am pretty confident that a lot of them becomes firm.
I actually think that Porter already has enough guarantees for this agreement. They probably started pursuing this objective a lot ago and signed the LOI (as undisclosed carrier) when they had quite enough guarantees. Then, after additional consultation, they decided to bring it to the public audience and start the process....

Anyway, regarding the LOI>conditional>firm contracts we shall see the shareholders at Ilyushin Finance approve the CS300 order quite soon....
This article on gazeta.ru (russian only, but Google translate does a good job) reports an interview to Ilyushin Finance CEO Rubtsov, after criticism arised in Russia since the main national lessor announced the purchase of the Canadian aircraft (first non-Russian aircraft).
He states that the shareholders would meet to approve the agreement (and also approve orders for SSJ100 and MS21) at the end of March-beginning of April... that timeframe is almost at its end....
An important point (and interesting fact) from this interview is also the fact that the CSeries will not be offered to Russian airlines:

Quote:
[talking about the CSeries]
- Who can become a customer?
- Resolution of the Board of Directors decided that it would be exclusively foreign customers. [...]

- That is, if you turn to the Russian airline, you answer her refusal?
- We will send it to Bombardier. Or will they be looking for another leasing company, or buy directly from Bombardier.


Particularly interesting is also the fact that Bombardier will provide to Ilyushin technical support and maintenance for their MS21 fleet.

[Edited 2013-04-11 10:40:40]
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 4

Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:41 pm

Quoting queb (Reply 7):

Man, this is getting exciting. I have been waiting for a long time to see this airplane fly. If things are progressing normally, I guess the low speed taxi should be in about a month? Great times ahead for Bombardier.
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RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 4

Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:57 pm

Quoting golfradio (Reply 10):
Man, this is getting exciting. I have been waiting for a long time to see this airplane fly.

Ditto. This whole project has really been flying under the radar for so long. But I think the CSeries is as much of a gamechanger as the 787.

Even if nothing comes of the Porter LOI, I'm hoping it at least causes a few airlines to really give the CSeries a serious look.

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