montenegro
Posts: 536
Joined: Wed May 26, 1999 11:45 pm

I Don't Like The DHC8/400

Tue Oct 24, 2000 6:24 pm

Nothing to do with XX Vs. YY topics, I just want to express an estetic consideration. Take a look on this aircraft, it seams really TOOO long to me, just to streched as B753.
Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Peter Unmuth

Now is it only my impression (since I haven't seen any of them) or it is really so long, have anybody had some expirience with the DHC 8/400?

Thanks

Savo, Salerno, ITALIA
 
Thom@s
Posts: 11674
Joined: Thu Oct 19, 2000 2:03 am

RE: I Don't Like The DHC8/400

Tue Oct 24, 2000 6:41 pm

I think it looks rather elegant, but I still like the Dash-8-100 series better.

Cheers.
"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
 
airmale
Posts: 7125
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:48 pm

RE: I Don't Like The DHC8/400

Tue Oct 24, 2000 6:56 pm

agree, its plane ugly 
.....up there with the best!
 
Guest

RE: I Don't Like The DHC8/400

Wed Oct 25, 2000 12:23 am

Even though the Dash 8 *is* my favorite a/c, I admit the -400 model is a little too loooooooong. The -200 and -300 models are my favorites.


Dash8isgreat (at least the -200 and -300 series!)
 
mikeyyz
Posts: 150
Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:31 pm

RE: I Like The DHC8/400

Wed Oct 25, 2000 12:24 am


I think you guys should fly the plane first and then start talking about how bad and ugly the plane is. I got a chance to fly it both as a passenger and in a Simulator and it's one nice plane. It's not as noisy as the F50 or the ATR's because of the anti-noise system. Yes it is long but how does that matter, you only have to walk up and down the plane once.

MIKEYYZ
 
montenegro
Posts: 536
Joined: Wed May 26, 1999 11:45 pm

RE: I Don't Like The DHC8/400

Wed Oct 25, 2000 12:36 am

Dear MIKEYYZ,

I've started a topic with the aim to discover the good and the bad things about this aircraft, i didn't said that is a BAD aircraft, I only said that it looks ugly and to long.

Thank you.

Savo, Salerno, ITALIA
 
SegmentKing
Posts: 3224
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2000 7:16 am

RE: I Don't Like The DHC8/400

Wed Oct 25, 2000 12:46 am

Well, the Dash 8 Q400 is a lil bit longer than the ATR 72 and offers a few more ammenities, namely the updated flight deck and PW150 engines, as well as those beautful blades...

The Q400 also had an 8200 fpm climb.... lets see a 727 do that :P

And that brings me to this point.. the Q400 was meant to fly like a jet, just with almost 14' diameter props.... the interior is suppose to be the smoothest and quietest of any prop around...

http://www.aerospace.bombardier.com has a ton of awesome info on this hoverjet (heh) if you wanna call it that...

If you are a FS98/FS2000, there is a site out there full of Bombardier made aircrafts... I *think* the URL is http://www.flightsimmers.net/premaircraft ? i'll post a follow up under a different topic once i find out which computer i have the bookmark on
~ ~ ~ ~ pRoFeSsIoNaL hUrRiCaNe DoDgEr ~ ~ ~ ~
 
RJNUT
Posts: 1182
Joined: Thu Dec 30, 1999 1:58 am

RE: I Don't Like The DHC8/400

Wed Oct 25, 2000 1:06 am

Re; this plane i heard SAS grounded their whole fleet of these due to some type of electrical problem..Anyone know if thishas been corrected?...I would love to start an regional airline in the US with this type aircraft and give some regional jet operators a run for thier money...How about feeding Air Tran in Atlanta
 
shankly
Posts: 1199
Joined: Tue Jan 11, 2000 10:42 pm

RE: I Don't Like The DHC8/400

Wed Oct 25, 2000 1:46 am

I happen to think that the Q400 proves that regional props can be sexy, like their posh RJ cousins. Would win hands down in a beauty contest against an ATR, F50 or dash 7.

Its sort of true about SAS, in that they are limiting the frequency of use of the Q400.

Apparently the aircraft have been scaring the crap out of flight and cabin crew, mostly with false alarms and warnings, but non the less serious enough for the peeps at SAS to demand the best attention of their Canadian friends.

SAS is ovbiously concerned about public image, so has put F50's back on some of the Q400's routes.

Ah, if only everything in life was as simple as...
L1011 - P F M
 
prebennorholm
Posts: 6430
Joined: Tue Mar 21, 2000 6:25 am

RE: I Don't Like The DHC8/400

Wed Oct 25, 2000 2:16 am

I was scheduled to fly a small roundtrip on a SAS DHC8/400 the day after tomorrow - a "first time" for me, but then I read in the papers that the whole fleet had been grounded. So I will most likely be on a 30 years old DC-9 which they will pull from the (museum-)hangar.
The problem is nothing serious or safety related. But there are just too many electrical ghosts in that machine. One frequent problem is said to be false fire alarms in the baggage compartment which much too often has put them down on a strange diversion field.
On the SAS network they are of course considered feeders. And having feeders spread all over on diversion fields doesn't really boost their traffic on the main routes. So they chose to ground them until they have been sufficiently modified and tested and have proven to be able to fly a scheduled service fairly reliably.
Best regards, Preben Norholm
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs
 
airmale
Posts: 7125
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:48 pm

RE: I Don't Like The DHC8/400

Wed Oct 25, 2000 2:27 am

its not about the flying, its about the looks, the 777-300 may be great also but it looks ugly 
.....up there with the best!
 
SegmentKing
Posts: 3224
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2000 7:16 am

RE: I Don't Like The DHC8/400

Wed Oct 25, 2000 2:48 am

What about Tyrolean Air and Lufthansa's CityLink (is that the right feeder??)... they have a few Q400s flying around and I haven't heard or seen anything about them grounding the aircraft....

hopefully the folks in Montreal and the Testing Center in Wichita can get these darned electric bugs outta the planes... even Airbus had a few glitches (ok, so one crashed @ an airshow) with the Airbus A320 when it first came out.....

Horizon Air, as of today, is the only US Operator-to-be of the Q400.. I'd expect much fan fare from our friends in the Northwest when they take delivery of the bird.. anyone wanna join me on the inaugural flight once it's loaded in the CRS's??

Nate
~ ~ ~ ~ pRoFeSsIoNaL hUrRiCaNe DoDgEr ~ ~ ~ ~
 
dash8
Posts: 389
Joined: Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:23 am

RE: I Don't Like The DHC8/400

Wed Oct 25, 2000 2:50 am

The DHC8-400 is the most beautiful tirboprop I've ever see. I fly these things, and now the tail is finally in proportion to the rest of the plane, hihihihi.

The looks immediately makes you think of speed.
Of course with a turboprop record of 0 to 25000 in a little over 5 minutes........


Regards,

Dash8
 
Panther
Posts: 200
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2000 3:17 pm

RE: I Like The DHC8/400

Wed Oct 25, 2000 3:51 am

That post topic "I don't like DHC-8/400" was very hard to read. I love the Q8 series, which in many ways than one are far more superior to their rivals. The 400 is very elegant in every aspect. The 400 does over 350kts in cruise and you must admit 8200fpm makes it a rocket as well. Hopefully we will see more US regionals operating the 400 other than Horizon in the near future. The Airtran Connection out of ATL sounds interesting. If offered a right seat in a CRJ or a 400, I would pay for my own training to get in the 400.

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Alexander Jonsson



Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © John Kelley



Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Frank Schaefer


FLY ON DASH 8
 
prebennorholm
Posts: 6430
Joined: Tue Mar 21, 2000 6:25 am

RE: SegmentKing

Wed Oct 25, 2000 7:47 am

Dear SegmentKing, the 320 crash at a Paris airshow twelve years ago was not caused by a glitch in the plane. It was due stupid and illegal programming by the company test pilot to show off things which the plane was not designed for. A huge human failure made by one man.
Best regards, Preben Norholm
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs
 
XFSUgimpLB41X
Posts: 3961
Joined: Fri Aug 25, 2000 1:18 am

RE: I Don't Like The DHC8/400

Wed Oct 25, 2000 8:05 am

Those things come into tallahassee alot. They definitely look a bit long... i didnt even recognize that they were part of the dash 8 series until i saw this post. I thought it was some completely oddball other aircraft. Ive departed behind them before and they definitely take off like a rocket.
Chicks dig winglets.
 
SegmentKing
Posts: 3224
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2000 7:16 am

RE: I Don't Like The DHC8/400

Wed Oct 25, 2000 9:44 am

Preben --

Please pardon my inexperience with European Air Disasters. The US media tends to focus more on what happens here, rather overseas so I am not all familiar w/ the Air France A320 demonstrator crash, other than the very few articles i saw in AWST magazine or Flight International.

Friends from United Airlines said the flight computer would not let the PIC (Pilot In Command) fly the aircraft, that it would have "overstressed it" if he tried to execute the commands he was wanting.

Anyhow.. has the Austrians and Germans grounded the Q400s yet? or are the Swedes just flying them only a little bit ?? (not a complete grounding)
~ ~ ~ ~ pRoFeSsIoNaL hUrRiCaNe DoDgEr ~ ~ ~ ~
 
akelley728
Posts: 1965
Joined: Tue Dec 07, 1999 12:35 pm

RE: I Don't Like The DHC8/400

Wed Oct 25, 2000 12:42 pm

XFSUgimpLB41X:

Are you sure you were looking at a Q400? I didn't think any American airlines had them yet. What was the airline?
 
XFSUgimpLB41X
Posts: 3961
Joined: Fri Aug 25, 2000 1:18 am

Akelley728

Wed Oct 25, 2000 12:47 pm

I believe it was an ASA aircraft. It looks just like that plane in the pic though..exactly. Ive seen it before and i took off behind one the other day. I am probably wrong though. I can only identify the CRJs, Saab 340s, Brazilias, and smaller series Dash 8s....mainly because i have to dodge those the most and ill be flying them in a few years. What was it i am seeing?
Chicks dig winglets.
 
SegmentKing
Posts: 3224
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2000 7:16 am

RE: I Don't Like The DHC8/400

Wed Oct 25, 2000 1:06 pm

ASA flies ATR 72s, no Dash 8s :/
~ ~ ~ ~ pRoFeSsIoNaL hUrRiCaNe DoDgEr ~ ~ ~ ~
 
FlyPNS1
Posts: 5272
Joined: Wed Dec 01, 1999 7:12 am

RE: I Don't Like The DHC8/400

Wed Oct 25, 2000 1:07 pm

XFSU, if it was an ASA plane in TLH, you were seeing an Aerospatiale ATR72. It looks quite similiar to the Dash8-400 and I could see why you could get confused by them. As far as I know, there aren't any Dash8-400s in the US.
 
airsicknessbag
Posts: 4626
Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2000 2:45 am

RE: SegmentKing

Wed Oct 25, 2000 5:29 pm

Nate,

Lufthansa´s regional airline is called CityLine. They operate a jet fleet of ARJ 85 and CRJ 100 and 200.
Some of Lufthansa´s franchisees, flying under "Team Lufthansa" operate the Dash 8 series:
Augsburg Airways 100/200/300
Cirrus Airlines 100
Rheintalflug 100/300
None of them has the 400 series, even though Augsburg Airways have ordered them.

Tyrolean have the 400 series. They are part of LH´s Star Alliance partner Austrian Airlines group and operate with LH on a code share basis.
To my knowledge, they haven´t had any problems with the 400 series.

Daniel