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Airbus Changing Seat's Size

Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:26 am

Please forgive me if this has been posted or discussed already, I can't find anything with the Search button.

According to BBC, Airbus will reduce the size of its window seats to make room for wider ones in the aisles.

This is also stated in the BBC Site :

"Those requiring the larger seats would have to pay more for their flight."

Well, yes, they would have to pay Business or First    

There is a video on the link with an interview, but I can't run the video, so maybe there are more things to say.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22141525

Any help to know more about this will be greatly appreciated.

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RE: Airbus Changing Seat's Size

Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:39 am

Slow news day for the BBC, not picking up a news story until now that made the rounds in February 2012:

Airbus looks into wider seats for wider passengers – the next money-spinner?
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RE: Airbus Changing Seat's Size

Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:25 am

Wouldn't that be more up to the airline than the manufacturer?
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RE: Airbus Changing Seat's Size

Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:17 am

Quoting HOMSaR (Reply 2):

Correct. In fact, Airbus doesn't make seats. Seat manufacturers (Recaro, Weber, etc) make seats so seems a non-deal to me

Maybe I'm wrong
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RE: Airbus Changing Seat's Size

Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:54 am

I have been wondering this since last year. And would it have impact to the center of gravity on the plane if the heavier pax would sit on the aisle seat and the lighter ones at the window....
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RE: Airbus Changing Seat's Size

Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:47 pm

That's a matter of juridical terms and all comes down to the airlines terms & conditions! Do you actually pay for a flight, a journey from A to B, and you are just seated in a seat as required per FAA and other laws. Or are you paying for a something-inch wide seat that will be YOUR place while you travel from A to B.

The latter would be a clear case. While buying you confirm that you will physically fit in such a seat, if not, it's your problem or you ticket can be revoked cause you lied during booking.

In any case Airlines should simply change their T&C so that every booking class is directly linked to a certain seat width / depth which you confirm fit in to during booking.
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RE: Airbus Changing Seat's Size

Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:19 pm

This is just a customization option. It has been available for some time, and it is up to the airline to choose. Airline A may have this option on their A320s, while Airline B will only have on say A321s running charters and Airline C may have something different altogether. As far as I know, this is yet to get a launch customer.
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RE: Airbus Changing Seat's Size

Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:19 pm

Quoting teme82 (Reply 4):
I have been wondering this since last year. And would it have impact to the center of gravity on the plane if the heavier pax would sit on the aisle seat and the lighter ones at the window....

CG is an issue for fore and aft, not side to side. If heavier pax all sat in the back, for example, there could be an issue, depending on plane, load, etc. etc.

However, perhaps it could have an impact on a plane's behavior around its longitudinal axis, if a lot more weight were on one side? Would that even have an impact on a large plane? But if heavier pax were equally in all aisle seats, wouldn't that actually make the plane more stable, since the weight would be concentrated closer to the axis?
 
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RE: Airbus Changing Seat's Size

Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:14 pm

Quoting cschleic (Reply 7):
However, perhaps it could have an impact on a plane's behavior around its longitudinal axis, if a lot more weight were on one side?

I have often wondered about this in regard to aircraft with 5-abreast 3+2 seating. What, if anything, is needed to compensate for balance?
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:32 pm

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 8):
I have often wondered about this in regard to aircraft with 5-abreast 3+2 seating. What, if anything, is needed to compensate for balance?

I don't think anything needs to be done. Everything in the cabin is close to the longitudinal axis where it shouldn't make any difference. The DC-9/MD-80 series has flown for many years without any seating imbalance issues that I'm aware of.

If any seat is to be made larger, it should be the middle seat. The poor guy in the middle should be the one with the extra room. Just my 5 cents (2 cents after taxes).  
 
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RE: Airbus Changing Seat's Size

Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:44 pm

Quoting bohica (Reply 9):
If any seat is to be made larger, it should be the middle seat. The poor guy in the middle should be the one with the extra room. Just my 5 cents (2 cents after taxes).

Ha ha, too true.

I probably shouldn't give the airlines any ideas, but in the interest of a little humor..... the thought above also presents a revenue opportunity, in that they could charge extra for all three seats on a side on a 3x3 plane, instead of just two (window and aisle). Window because of the view, aisle because of nobody on one side and easy access, and center because it's larger. Bring on more fees.
 
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RE: Airbus Changing Seat's Size

Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:37 pm

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 3):
Airbus doesn't make seats.

Well not directly, but another 100% EADS owned subsidiary, Sogerma, does make seats and works directly with Airbus in terms of cabin product development and innovation.

http://www.sogerma.eads.net/?lang=en
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RE: Airbus Changing Seat's Size

Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:20 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 11):
Well not directly, but another 100% EADS owned subsidiary, Sogerma, does make seats and works directly with Airbus in terms of cabin product development and innovation.

Thanks for pointing that out and giving me something to look at today  

I wonder if they are "cheaper" than going with an outside seat manufacturer...
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RE: Airbus Changing Seat's Size

Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:52 pm

I'm relatively large and only take window seats so that would be very bad for me !
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RE: Airbus Changing Seat's Size

Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:29 am

Quoting bohica (Reply 9):
If any seat is to be made larger, it should be the middle seat.

Bombardier is actually promoting this idea with the C-series, suggesting that the middle seat of the 3-seat side be slightly wider than the window/aisle.
 
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RE: Airbus Changing Seat's Size

Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:35 am

I look forward to the day when I no longer have to fly. So many extras and adds these days...extra legroom, bags, meals, early boarding, expedited security options, front of the plane/back of the plane, preferred seats/non-preferred seats and now maybe wider or narrower seats...and hardly any extras that corporate travel (who never have to go anywhere) will pay for.

I see the not-to-distant future of airline travel; Sorry sir, your 8 day in advance non-reimbursble ticket at 55 cents/mile entitles you to middle seat 46B, with no recline. I'm afraid a passenger on a T fare at 5 cents a mile using our affinity credit card got the aisle seat with the extra legroom and recline, with zone 1 boarding and 2 free checked bags at no extra cost as they buy one tank of gas on the credit card each month.   Sir, can I interest you in our AMEX/Visa/mastercard etc.....


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RE: Airbus Changing Seat's Size

Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:21 am

And if there are barely and fat people for any flights which has the seats installed, this means I can get a good seat!! ^^
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RE: Airbus Changing Seat's Size

Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:28 am

Quoting bohica (Reply 9):
If any seat is to be made larger, it should be the middle seat.

3-abreast seats with a wider middle seat have been used by airlines in the past. I recall seats like that being installed by certain carries long ago, including on some A320 family members. I expect that option is available from seat manufacturers today, especially on seats intended for the A320 family where you have about 7 inches more cabin width to play with than on the 737 and can thus choose wider seats, a wider aisle, or some combination thereof.