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BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:31 am

I know BA was refitting some of the ex-BMI A321's for flights to CAI, TLV, and some other destinations...they started flying these new planes, correct? How did they make them different?
 
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:22 am

These aircraft are the original BMED A321s that flew to "mid haul" destinations. They had cradle seats in business that have now been replaced by flat beds. Economy has also been given new seats and the IFE has been upgraded.
 
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:01 am

Flew on two of these LHR - TLV - LHR just the last few days and they were very impressive when comparing them to the 'normal' A321 that we went on when we went to ARN late last year. The business class seats looked amazing for a narrowbody aircraft.

I believe the BA LHR -TLV route used to be B777-200, any ideas why they're now A321 as both flights last week were packed?
 
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:19 am

The aircraft were refitted from the BMed config (31 business cradle seats / 118 economy) to 23 lie flat Thompson Vantage seats and 131 economy seats with the Thales i5000 IFE system by bmi. The seats were ordered (and certified as this is the first time they have been fitted on a narrow body) and preparatory work was carried out after Lufthansa acquired bmi. The refit was about to start just as Lufthansa put bmi up for sale and recommenced once BA had taken over and approved the seats. That's why the seats are still in bmi brown and the IFE is still branded 'Voyager'. BA have just started a programme to recover the economy seats in the latest World Traveller coverings.

The TLV route moved from a daily 777-200 and a daily 767-300 to three times daily A321, providing about the same capacity with a wider selection of flight.
 
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:25 am

These are the same 321's BD used to Bishkek? I had a client who used to take these flights, and she had some tales of horror from the Y side of things. I'm sure BA has taken things to a better level. I'm not BD bashing, I liked them when I flew them in J, AMS-LHR on a 734 back in the 90's.
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:26 am

When IAG bought it, BD was already planning to reconfigure their mid-haul 321s. Indeed the new J Class flat-bed seats that BD planned to fit had already been delivered to them at EMA.

I believe that before the refit all seven 321s were configured for up to 149 passengers (C31 / Y118). As Spoeedbird2155 reports, the Club cabin was fitted with bucket seats. They had a 52" pitch with eight rows configured 2-2 but with Row 6 (immediately aft of the forward emergency exit) configured 2-1.

In the Y Class cabin there were 20 rows of 31" pitch seats all configured 3-3 except Row 16 (immediately forward of the aft emergency exit) which was configured 2-2.

There the similarities ended. Three of the seven aircraft (G-MEDM, 'DN and 'DU) had AVOD IFE systems installed in all seats. Three (G-MEDF, 'DG and 'DJ) were fitted with older in-seat IFE systems without AVOD. The seventh aircraft, G-MEDL, had AVOD IFE systems fitted in its C Class seats and a looped film and TV IFE system in its Y Class seats.

All seven are now reconfigured for up to 154 passengers (J23 / Y131). The new J Class seats are 78" lie flat seats arranged with a 45" pitch! This is achieved by extending the foot area under the side-table(s) in the staggered row in front. So odd numbered rows are configured 1-1 (with seats in Rows B and E) with a table each side of the seats while even numbered rows are configured 2-2 (with seats in Rows A, C, D and F) with a table between the seats. However Row 7 immediately aft of the forward emergency exit has a single seat in the middle (7B) on the left and a single window seat (7F) on the right. As a result Row 8 is configured 2-1.

The Y Class cabin was refitted with 31" pitch slim-back seats that effectively improved leg room. All rows except 18 (immediately forward of the rear emergency exit) are configured 3-3. Row 18 is configured 3-2.

A new Thales AVOD IFE System was fitted in all seats. In the J Class seats it has a 15.4" screen and in the Y Class seats an 8.9" screen.
 
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:27 am

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 2):
I believe the BA LHR -TLV route used to be B777-200, any ideas why they're now A321 as both flights last week were packed?

I think they've added an extra flight with the A321s, also it allows them to add more long haul as it frees up a 777 from 3-4 hour flight.
 
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:41 am

Quick question: How do the old BMI seats and the new BA seats in business compare to QR offering on A320's. I just had the pleasure to fly QR A320 in business. Although nice there was no comparison to the A333 I took before and after these A320 flights so I was kind of wondering if BA has "proper" long haul business class seats on their A32S and how it compares to my experience.

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Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:16 pm

I flew on BMI a few times from LHR to BEY and back. What an awful, awful, awful experience. It sounds like it will be much better now, given new seats. My main complaint was the horrible cabin condition on those 321's. Extremely uncomfortable... And hopefully the switch to BA will include an attitude adjustment on the part of the flight crew... who were consistently nasty. I'm talking worse than US carriers.... that's very hard to beat.

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Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:28 pm

My trip LHR - TLV - LHR on the reconfigured BA A321a couple of days ago was undoubtedly the best narrowbody experience I've ever had. This was despite the aircraft being full both ways. Comfortable seat, great entertainment, decent food, free bar and brilliant service from cheerful crew.

I was amazed!!!!!
 
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:36 pm

Good to hear jumpjet. I'm going out LHR-TLV in a couple of weeks with BA in Y - were you in Y? Have used BMI before (quite good, couple of years ago), last year with EZY (never again).
 
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:33 pm

newbief1yer did a very nice trip report on a BMED A321 with the new interior. Beautiful and very sharp.

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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:10 pm

I did the BA237 LHR-DME last week which had an aircraft change from a B767 to A321 MEDU.
 
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:45 pm

looks nice, just a shame its not very corporate BA looking currently, hopefully that will change soon. How many different Club configurations is BA up to now ?
 
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:25 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 13):
How many different Club configurations is BA up to now ?

Four. There is one Club Europe configuration and three Club World. Club World being the seats discussed on this thread, the original Club World on the 767 and the 'Next Generation' Club World on the 747 and 777 which will also be installed on the A380.

Although you could say that the Club Europe configuration of 2-2 out of LCY on the E170/E190 is another configuration...
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:38 pm

Quoting Boeing77W (Reply 14):

Well there are two types of CE seating available. The VGS type and the type inherited from the BMI Airbuses which have the central fold down table!
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:45 pm

Quoting Boeing77W (Reply 14):
Four. There is one Club Europe configuration and three Club World. Club World being the seats discussed on this thread, the original Club World on the 767 and the 'Next Generation' Club World on the 747 and 777 which will also be installed on the A380.

Don't forget the Club World London City (2-2) on the A318s!
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:53 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 15):
Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 16):

Good point guys
  
 
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:07 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 15):
Well there are two types of CE seating available. The VGS type and the type inherited from the BMI Airbuses which have the central fold down table!

Effectively, there are three types:

The non-bmi A320s have either the original Club 'converter' seats which convert from a 3-3 'EuroTraveller' economy seat into a 'Club Europe' business class seat, or, on the later deliveries, the completely fixed 'non-converter' seats, where the cabin remains effectively in an economy configuration, with the middle seat left free.

The original plan, when the new seat was introduced, (because the converter seat was apparently no longer available) was to leave the original seats in an 'unconverted' configuration, so as to have a standard layout and product offering, but there was such a backlash from customers, backed up by comments and reports from crew, that it was decided to continue to convert where possible, having the 'middle seat free' layout only on those newer aircraft where conversion was not an option.
 
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:58 am

Quoting Leej (Reply 10):
Good to hear jumpjet. I'm going out LHR-TLV in a couple of weeks with BA in Y - were you in Y? Have used BMI before (quite good, couple of years ago), last year with EZY (never again).

Yes indeed, Y class. Row 22 out and row 21 coming back. We had enormous luck in that the two seats next to me coming back were the only unoccupied seats on the very busy flight so my son moved forward meaning that we had 2 x aisle and 2 x window seats with spaces in between.

(As I was driving I only had a beer and declined wine with dinner, so the stewardess offered to give me a couple of the small bottles for when I got to our hotel, now that's service!)   
 
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:11 pm

Quoting Boeing77W (Reply 14):
Club World being the seats discussed on this thread, the original Club World on the 767 and the 'Next Generation' Club World on the 747 and 777 which will also be installed on the A380.

Half the BA 763 long-haul fleet, G-BNWI, 'WM, 'WS, 'WT, 'WV, 'WW and 'WY, has now been refitted with the 2nd generation J Class lie-flat seat. The other seven long-haul configured 763s continue to operate with BA's 1st generation, lie-flat J Class seats and will not be upgraded. They are scheduled to be replaced and retired following delivery of the 787s.

BA's short-haul fleet is operated with two types of C Class seats. 320s G-EUUA to 'UZ and G-EUYA to 'YE and both G-TTOB and 'OE have leather covered Converter 18" wide 34" pitch C Class seats in the front 13 rows. The front 13 rows of 320s registered G-EUYF to 'YN have cloth covered 17.5" wide Spacesaver seats with a 34" pitch in the forward (C Class) cabin (31" pitch in the rewarded cabin). All of the 319s and 321s have the Converter seats. Because of their slim back the 34" pitch, narrower Spacesaver seats have slightly more leg room.
 
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:43 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 20):
Half the BA 763 long-haul fleet, G-BNWI, 'WM, 'WS, 'WT, 'WV, 'WW and 'WY, has now been refitted with the 2nd generation J Class lie-flat seat. The other seven long-haul configured 763s continue to operate with BA's 1st generation, lie-flat J Class seats and will not be upgraded. They are scheduled to be replaced and retired following delivery of the 787s.

These aircraft continue to carry the original Club World, but the cabin has been refreshed, with new seat cushions, covers, a white gloss surround, replacing the brown leather, new overhead bins and new carpets. All long-haul 767s therefore have the same seat, but some have been refreshed.
 
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:57 pm

Have all the mid-haul A321 now been refurbished with the new seats seen on the pictures above? The look like the seats that LX, SN and OS have on their widebody fleet, very nice.
 
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:40 pm

Quoting mozart (Reply 22):
The look like the seats that LX, SN and OS have on their widebody fleet, very nice.

That would be because they're the same seats, certainly the same as LX use. They were ordered by BMI during the period of Lufthansa ownership, which explains the common purchasing policy.
 
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:24 pm

Quoting mozart (Reply 22):
Have all the mid-haul A321 now been refurbished with the new seats seen on the pictures above?

All 7 have been refurbished.
 
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RE: BA's Refitted A321 For "mid-haul" Flights?

Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:41 pm

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 21):
These aircraft continue to carry the original Club World, but the cabin has been refreshed, with new seat cushions, covers, a white gloss surround, replacing the brown leather, new overhead bins and new carpets. All long-haul 767s therefore have the same seat, but some have been refreshed.

During mid-August of last year I was fortunate enough to sample the new 'refreshed' 767 cabin when I went to Hyderabad. It's a large improvement over the other 767's, however even then the cabin was looking grotty with bit's of the trim falling off. Was on a non-refurbed aircraft on the way back and that was in a dire state.

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