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First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL

Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:21 am

According to Flightaware, N801NW, the first A333 to get modified with lie fats in Business Elite, relocated lavatories and new galleys has landed in ATL as of 10:23 pm on Sunday, April 14 from SIN via ANC.

Internally the new code used to designate the modified ships will be 3L3 for the -300 and 3L2 for the -200.

Wondering how many days this ship will stay in ATL before it's placed into service, and what the first route will be...
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:27 am

The first A330-200 also went in for the mods about one month ago; N851NW should be out within the next 2-3 weeks. After that, the next A330s won't be going in for the mods until after the busy summer season.
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:20 pm

Approximately how long are the aircraft OOS for the interior mods? One would think that the A330s would be less involved that the 767-300s as they already have AVOD throughout the economy cabin and extremely spacious overhead bins.
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:25 pm

The new galleys may take longer ?
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:33 pm

Quoting Roberts975 (Reply 2):
Approximately how long are the aircraft OOS for the interior mods? One would think that the A330s would be less involved that the 767-300s as they already have AVOD throughout the economy cabin and extremely spacious overhead bins.

The A330s are also getting new seats and larger video monitors in coach. The mod isn't just lie-flats in Business.
 
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RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL

Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:41 pm

Quoting pqdtw (Thread starter):
Wondering how many days this ship will stay in ATL before it's placed into service, and what the first route will be...

3301's first flight will be ATL-DTW tomorrow then DTW-AMS the following day.

From what Delta put out if anyone was interested...

BusinessElite

•34 seats which convert to a 180º full flat bed, each with direct aisle access, and each 25% wider than the angled flat seat they replace
•A 110v AC power source + USB power at each seat
•15.4” IFE screens at each seat (65% larger than the screens they replace)
Economy Comfort

•32 seats at 35”pitch
•110V AC in-seat power source + USB power
•9” IFE screens at each seat
Economy

•227 (on A333) or 168 (on A332) slim-line seats which offer adjustable headrests, USB power and more personal space
•9” IFE screens at each seat
Each modified aircraft will feature the Panasonic eX2 IFE system, which offers over a thousand entertainment options including 350 movies, hundreds of hours of TV, HBO and Showtime content, 5,000 digital songs and dozens of games

[Edited 2013-04-15 06:45:51]
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RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL

Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:09 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
3301's first flight will be ATL-DTW tomorrow then DTW-AMS the following day

For DTW-AMS, seems like DL234 on Wednesday (Delta.com shows 1-2-1 on the seatmap)

 
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Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:56 pm

Are the seats in the A330 the same as the seats in the 747?
 
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RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL

Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:04 pm

The design of the Cirrus Business Class seats is still amazing. Apparantly, DL is able to put 34 full-flat seats with 100% aisle access in the same space as 34 traditional, 2-2-2- configured, lie-flat seats.

Of course, the fuselage of the 330 is also helpful, as it provides a perfect match for these seats. In the 747, much space is wasted, especially on the upper deck (only 14 full-flat seats).
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:30 pm

Does anybody have any pictures that they can share with us or a link to where they might be available onthe net?
 
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RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL

Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:17 pm

Quoting Roberts975 (Reply 2):
One would think that the A330s would be less involved that the 767-300s as they already have AVOD throughout the economy cabin

Remember that they are installing a totally new system, so there is much more on the A330 to "de-mod" before installing the new system. Nothing from the previous system gets re-used.
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Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:58 pm

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 10):
Remember that they are installing a totally new system, so there is much more on the A330 to "de-mod" before installing the new system. Nothing from the previous system gets re-used.

Yep, exactly. The Panasonic eX2 system weighs much less, has larger screens, and has a lot more storage capacity than the existing 3000i system. The seats in Y are the B/E Aerospace Pinnacle with Panasonic Eco 9i Integrated Smart Monitors.

Quoting Atlflyer (Reply 7):
Are the seats in the A330 the same as the seats in the 747?

The flat-bed J seats are the same (Weber Cirrus), however, the Y seats are different (B/E Aerospace Pinnacle, vs. Weber 5751 on the 744).

[Edited 2013-04-15 13:01:50]
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RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL

Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:34 pm

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 3):
The new galleys may take longer ?

Plus the FDA clearance.

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 9):
Does anybody have any pictures that they can share with us or a link to where they might be available onthe net?

Look at the 747, they are the same seat that is on the 747.
 
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RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL

Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:43 pm

Looks like N816NW, another A333, may be in for mod.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N816NW

[Edited 2013-04-15 14:54:20]
 
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RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL

Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:15 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 12):
Look at the 747, they are the same seat that is on the 747.

J yes (Weber Cirrus), Y no (B/E Aerospace Pinnacle, not Weber 5751). The Y seats are the same model as on UA's 764ERs.
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Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:24 pm

It appears this is replacing the 1x daily 777 DTW-AMS. Anyone know where that 777 went?
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:10 pm

Here are a few pics of the 747 installation of the J seat:

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RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL

Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:50 am

Quoting nantoine (Reply 6):
For DTW-AMS, seems like DL234 on Wednesday (Delta.com shows 1-2-1 on the seatmap)

Which would be correct..that would be its second revenue flight as I posted. First one being ATL-DTW tomorrow evening.
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:57 am

Delta really had an opportunity to make the J cabin inviting with these retrofits and instead went with what appears to look like a hospital waiting room from the colors and lighting.

How sad.
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:50 am

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 18):
Delta really had an opportunity to make the J cabin inviting with these retrofits and instead went with what appears to look like a hospital waiting room from the colors and lighting.

How sad.

Well supposedly DL is rolling out an enhanced interior with brighter bulkheads and on some planes a different hue of blue leather. I've yet to see it and I've yet to hear from anyone at TOC that the first aircraft has been done. Lately on the domestic fleet the move is to yank out solid bulkheads between first and coach and replace with a cloth divider, which doesn't play into this whole interior refresh idea.
 
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:57 am

Quoting n7371f (Reply 19):

Well supposedly DL is rolling out an enhanced interior with brighter bulkheads and on some planes a different hue of blue leather. I've yet to see it and I've yet to hear from anyone at TOC that the first aircraft has been done. Lately on the domestic fleet the move is to yank out solid bulkheads between first and coach and replace with a cloth divider, which doesn't play into this whole interior refresh idea.

they have a 737 that was the test bird(can't remember the ship number) that has been flying for a while.

Also I know for sure they have at least one M90 done (915 IIRC). It has the new bulk heads/carpet and the lights have been replaced with LEDs. (I did not see the seats as they went in during the week.)
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RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL

Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:04 am

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 18):
Delta really had an opportunity to make the J cabin inviting with these retrofits and instead went with what appears to look like a hospital waiting room from the colors and lighting.

How sad.

It looks better in person. The blue is actually calming in person but in photos it does tend to look cheap.
 
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:20 am

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 18):
Delta really had an opportunity to make the J cabin inviting with these retrofits and instead went with what appears to look like a hospital waiting room from the colors and lighting.

How sad.
Quoting klkla (Reply 21):
It looks better in person. The blue is actually calming in person but in photos it does tend to look cheap.

The Y cabin looks fine. The J cabin does look cheap, cold, plastic-y. I think it's more of a choice of materials than color scheme. Blue, gray, and white could work with better materials, finishes, accents. Perhaps a little brushed aluminum, branding, etc.

Interestingly, NH has a similar scheme that looks equally cold and cheap. It doesn't seem to get as many negative comments though.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 19):
Well supposedly DL is rolling out an enhanced interior with brighter bulkheads and on some planes a different hue of blue leather.
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 20):
they have a 737 that was the test bird(can't remember the ship number) that has been flying for a while.

There are photos of branding on the bulkhead and bulkhead wall covering that emulates the textured wall seen behind the reception desk of the Sky Clubs.

The blue leather is "Delta signature blue." How are they changing the hue? Darker? In both cabins or just J?
 
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:29 am

Quoting gaystudpilot (Reply 22):

There are photos of branding on the bulkhead and bulkhead wall covering that emulates the textured wall seen behind the reception desk of the Sky Clubs.

they its that 3D pointy thing they use in the SCs. its...eh. new

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 18):

It looks 100 times better in real life. It is a little blah though.
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:44 am

I wonder if they are updating in stages. I flew a 752 SFO-ATL r/t in F class and the outbound was crisp and sharp with new LED in F class only. Coach still had old lighting, and the 752 on the return was old lighting in both cabins. But the LED was awesome
 
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:23 am

These look great. Does anyone have information on the % of planes in their fleet which have been upgraded? I think UA (might have been PMUA) used to have a nice page on their site showing each aircraft type and the % upgraded to the new business class so far.

I normally fly AC business class on my long-haul flights to Asia, but I'd be willing to switch to DL to cut back on the number of immigration procedures involved, and especially for DL's new seat.
 
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:08 am

Thanks cmb320!

Looks like they decided to get rid of the gray insert in the F seat. Much better.
 
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RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL

Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:21 am

Quoting cmb320 (Reply 25):

there we go. that 3D point is the same thing used in the new SCs.

Quoting jfidler (Reply 26):
These look great. Does anyone have information on the % of planes in their fleet which have been upgraded? I think UA (might have been PMUA) used to have a nice page on their site showing each aircraft type and the % upgraded to the new business class so far.

Delta had a page on Delta.com for the flat bed, EC and wifi mods. I can't seem to find it now though. (had a % break down kind thing)
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RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL

Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:03 pm

Quoting jfidler (Reply 26):
Does anyone have information on the % of planes in their fleet which have been upgraded? I think UA (might have been PMUA) used to have a nice page on their site showing each aircraft type and the % upgraded to the new business class so far.

There's a thread in this forum discussing progress on the 767-300ER; 35 of 58 complete and back in service.

DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule Part 2 (by MaddogJT8D Jan 9 2013 in Civil Aviation)

100% of the 18 777-200LR and 777-200ER are done.

100% of the 16 747-400s are done

100% of the 21 767-400ERs are done

IIRC, 2 of the 32 A330-200 and A330-300 are done.

[Edited 2013-04-16 07:08:10]

[Edited 2013-04-16 07:09:16]
 
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:49 pm

Quoting cmb320 (Reply 25):

Pics look great. Not going to translate nearly as well to the scores of 88's, 90's, 319/320's and now 73W's that have the little cloth divider that drops from the overhead panel between last first class row and front of coach.

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 24):
I wonder if they are updating in stages. I flew a 752 SFO-ATL r/t in F class and the outbound was crisp and sharp with new LED in F class only. Coach still had old lighting, and the 752 on the return was old lighting in both cabins. But the LED was awesome

Hard to gauge on the 757 fleet -- it's all over the place. Not only are there numerous configurations, there are many more that certain interior enhancements and those that don't.
 
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:57 pm

Not sure what the status is on the domestic fleet. Been receiving conflicting information. One senior leader has said it's a go, another one said it's not. One didn't even know about it LOL. There is one MD90 flying around (original Delta ship) with the new slimline seats in Y, added power in FC, new dark carpet, LED reading lights and new bulkhead design. Haven't seen it. I've worked a few aircraft in the last month that had the new dark carpet but no other improvements (75N and a couple MD88's). I must say, even the darker carpet made a huge improvement.
 
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:33 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 20):
they have a 737 that was the test bird(can't remember the ship number) that has been flying for a while.

IIRC it was 3751
 
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:22 pm

Not sure about 3751 but I know for sure 3752 is. Flew on it 2 weeks ago and thought it looked nice, but the changes compared to the standard interior are subtle.
 
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:53 pm

Quoting timf (Reply 33):
Not sure about 3751 but I know for sure 3752 is. Flew on it 2 weeks ago and thought it looked nice, but the changes compared to the standard interior are subtle.

I actually was lucky enough to fly on it last year on PHX-JFK. It was fairly nice.
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:49 am

Quoting cmb320 (Reply 31):
Not sure what the status is on the domestic fleet. Been receiving conflicting information. One senior leader has said it's a go, another one said it's not. One didn't even know about it LOL. There is one MD90 flying around (original Delta ship) with the new slimline seats in Y, added power in FC, new dark carpet, LED reading lights and new bulkhead design. Haven't seen it.

the 90 is ship 915. (N915DN)

I believe she left TOC two weeks ago done. Should be another coming out soon. (don't have a ship number)

(i don't remember LED reading lights though. I know the main lights have been changed from fluorescent lights to LED bars.)
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:26 am

Quoting zmp0psa (Reply 15):

It appears this is replacing the 1x daily 777 DTW-AMS. Anyone know where that 777 went?
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):

3301's first flight will be ATL-DTW tomorrow then DTW-AMS the following day.

The last scheduled DL B772 flight departed DTW on DL248 for AMS on 15 April, it was replaced by A332 N861NW on 16 April.

Thus far refurbished A333 N801NW has not appeared on the DTW-AMS route yet, as DL234 of 16 April was operated by N820NW.

The B777-200 will return on DL 248/249 DTW-AMS-DTW for Summer season starting 31 May 2013.
 
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:35 am

Nice retrofit

What is the new business elite seat on the A330 ? the same as the 777 or the same as the 767 ?

Thanks
 
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:04 am

As stated, J class will be the same as 747. Pics have been posted in this thread.
 
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:08 am

Thank you toobz

Go for cirrus seats
 
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:58 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 20):
Also I know for sure they have at least one M90 done (915 IIRC). It has the new bulk heads/carpet and the lights have been replaced with LEDs. (I did not see the seats as they went in during the week.)
Quoting cmb320 (Reply 31):
There is one MD90 flying around (original Delta ship) with the new slimline seats in Y, added power in FC, new dark carpet, LED reading lights and new bulkhead design. Haven't seen it.
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 35):
the 90 is ship 915. (N915DN)

I believe she left TOC two weeks ago done. Should be another coming out soon. (don't have a ship number)

(i don't remember LED reading lights though. I know the main lights have been changed from fluorescent lights to LED bars.)

I was on N903DA on Monday and I'm fairly certain that it had the mods completed.
It definetely had the brand new slimline seats, LED lights, and carpet.

[Edited 2013-04-17 04:59:53]
 
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:48 pm

Quoting jfidler (Reply 26):
These look great. Does anyone have information on the % of planes in their fleet which have been upgraded? I think UA (might have been PMUA) used to have a nice page on their site showing each aircraft type and the % upgraded to the new business class so far.
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...ices/products/product-updates.html
 
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:34 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 36):
Thus far refurbished A333 N801NW has not appeared on the DTW-AMS route yet, as DL234 of 16 April was operated by N820NW.

Notice I said it would operate DTW-AMS "the following day" which would be today the 17th..
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:16 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 40):

I was on N903DA on Monday and I'm fairly certain that it had the mods completed.
It definetely had the brand new slimline seats, LED lights, and carpet.

the mod is only suppose to take 7 days so its likely that at least two ships are done. I know 915 is done though. (also know another ship is in for mods)
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RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL

Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:45 pm

Wish they would start putting the slimlines on the 88
 
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:54 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 42):
Notice I said it would operate DTW-AMS "the following day" which would be today the 17th..

Indeed for April 18th, 2013 at AMS:

- AMS arr. 09:40 LT from Detroit DL 0234 / Airbus A330-300 / N801NW
 
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:43 pm

From another website, someone provided the link to a bunch of pics of the new seats on N801NW:

http://imgur.com/a/SYbuI

Here are two pics of the BE cabin and one pic of the Y cabin:

N801NW BusinessElite front view


N801NW BusinessElite single seat


N801NW Economy
 
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RE: First DL Lie Flat A333 Arrives ATL

Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:46 pm

Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 18):
Delta really had an opportunity to make the J cabin inviting with these retrofits and instead went with what appears to look like a hospital waiting room from the colors and lighting.

How sad.

Deleted my response - saw pictures of upgraded DL cabins in the thread above.

[Edited 2013-04-17 14:54:13]
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Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:41 am

These economy seats with extra padding and stitching look much better than some of the flat seats they have on other aircraft types. Also the speckled carpet looks nicer than just plain blue.
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:52 am

No adjustable headrests in BE? I could swear the 777 has them (or maybe I'm confusing it with UA).

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