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Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:11 am

Today's news about SMC winning the NAIA Expressway contract connecting the airport with the Skyway at SLEX and linking all the terminals to have fast access to ongoing foreshore developments seems like a good start for a new thread on the local aviation scene.....

http://business.inquirer.net/116873/...-expressway-project-with-p11-b-bid

Quote:
"Conglomerate San Miguel Corp. (SMC) has bested rival Metro Pacific Investments Corp. over a new 7.15-kilometer expressway project that will connect Metro Manila’s main airport terminals to the Entertainment City casino complex with an 'aggressive' bid.

The financial proposals for the P15.52-billion Naia Expressway Phase II project, the third public private partnership (PPP) project to be successfully bid out, were opened yesterday at the headquarters of the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH).

SMC unit Optimal Infrastructure Development Inc. offered an upfront cash of P11 billion, far superior to the P305 million offered by Metro Pacific’s Manila North Tollways Corp., to build the expressway and operate it for 30 years."



The project's scope was summarized as follows in an earlier report.....

http://business.inquirer.net/116829/...ssway-contractor-known-monday-dpwh

Quote:
"The proposed 7.15-kilometer elevated expressway will connect Naia Terminals 1, 2 and 3.

The DPWH said the project 'will supplement the recently completed Phase 1 which interfaces with the Manila South Skyway at Sales Interchange.

The project involves the design, construction, operation and maintenance of an elevated structure from the terminus of Phase 1 at Sales Interchange going to Andrews Avenue, Domestic Airport Road, MIA Road and ending at Diosdado Macapagal Boulevard,' it said.

The project includes the 'construction of a 2.2-kilometer road going to Entertainment City' on the reclaimed land facing Manila Bay.

The government will finance the project’s right-of-way acquisition costs amounting to P2.25 billion."



The following link to an opinion column is provided for balance and a wider perspective.....

http://www.philstar.com/business/201.../keep-naia-forget-fast-train-clark

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...terminal-3-gets-funding-boost.html

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http://rvp-architects.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/COM040-naia3.jpg

The rendering above shows possible new international terminal site across T3 and adjacent to T2 (at Nayong Pilipino) for future capacity, after GA facilities are cleared. The woods in the top right corner are actually built-up residential/commercial areas which might form part of future airfield expansion. However, a cursory review of the existing airport layout suggests a potential parallel runway will fall below minimum requirements, even when coupled with dependent precision instrument approaches.

All these, of course, are purely theoretical and based on the scenario in the link above that NAIA shall be the premier gateway which, while still workable with a single runway, must meet the long term demand for dramatically increased aircraft movements. Further, it holds the view that the $10B estimated for the fast-train link to Clark would be better allocated to the expropriation of properties around NAIA (a virtual Pandora's box of unending suits and litigation) and towards the construction of a new terminal.

Which in turn would allow T2 to revert to its intended domestic role, and pave the way for the conversion of T1 into an LCC terminal.

The beginning of the elevated tollway is halfway down the image on the left. Okay for passengers arriving at T1, T2 and T3 and going to the Resorts World area...but a rather circuitous route for T3 arrivals to first drive south to NAIA Ave, go west, then north again on DM Blvd when trying to get to, say, Entertainment City (map).

http://www.google.com/mapmaker?ll=14...tbutton_normal&gw=30&lyt=large_map

With this contract, the authorities seem to have conceded that mass transit is best suited for residents and workers around the airport area...and might at most, put up one light rail station just outside the CAA compound across their depot, to restrict access to operations areas by airport personnel only - thus enhancing security.

Too bad no updated NAIA Master Development Plan is publicly available for comparison.

Comments and other Philippine aviation developments welcome.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:12 am

Quoting Devilfish (Thread starter):

How long will this take? I hope it's shorter than this project...

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/390403/...years-and-six-presidents-to-finish
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:38 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 1):

How long will this take?

A minimum of three years, per the second link.....

Quote:
"Project construction, scheduled to start this year, will take at least 36 months, according to the DPWH."
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:13 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 2):
will take at least 36 months, according to the DPWH."

I'm glad it's months instead of years.

Speaking of airports, it seems like construction has stopped on SLIA (Bicol International).
Maybe it'll take 36 years to complete when Ferdinand III is the president...you know trapos rule the Philippines.  
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:36 am

Thanks Devilfish for starting the thread and providing the articles.

Here's the order of priorities from my perspective if NAIA is to remain the premier gateway:
1. Get T3 fully functional ASAP
2. Ensure all of the navigational equipment is state of the art to maximize runway usage
3. Make way for a new terminal in Nayong Pilipino

1 and 2 seem relatively easy, but I'm always astounded with the inertia/road bumps.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:17 pm

Whatever they do, it cannot happen soon enough. I just spent several days this past week dealing w/ this airport and when you think it could not get worse, it truly does. It took 2 1/2 hours to clear Immigration at T1 when I arrived with lines backed into the terminal exits. Never seen anything like this in my life. Taxi lines with zero organization. The best thing though, is the nightmare 2 lane road leading into T1 that is a complete bottleneck. From the last traffic light to the terminal, it took more than a 1/2 hour to travel less than a mile. Upon arrival, there are 500-1000 people that are standing outside T1, blocking passengers from entering the terminal. I observed all of these same problems, over several days. What are all these people standing outside doing? There is zero crowd control and total disorganization. Then once inside, be prepared to stand in crazy check-in lines, unless you are flying C/F class. The Philippine government after all these years, really needs to get their head out of their arse and fix this airport once and for all. They should also do something with the wasted land where a massive airport hotel has sat derelict for so many years. I don't even know when it closed. No excuses and enough is enough already!
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:45 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 5):
What are all these people standing outside doing?

If this is departures, these are wellwishers waiting for their families' flights to leave, as they don't leave until the plane takes off. It also helps in situations like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWaUi1DpJQA (in Filipino)

Quoting crownvic (Reply 5):
Then once inside, be prepared to stand in crazy check-in lines, unless you are flying C/F class.

Weird. I just flew out yesterday and the crowds seem fine, but I will admit this was 6:00 pm.

Quoting crownvic (Reply 5):
They should also do something with the wasted land where a massive airport hotel has sat derelict for so many years. I don't even know when it closed.

The Panlilios (owners of Grand Air) owned the Philippine Village Hotel, which closed during the Asian financial crisis due to bankruptcy, and was later sequestered by the government. A very long legal battle ensued over the property, which was only recently (2009, I believe) decided in favor of the government, allowing it to take over the property from the Panlilios. But even until now, the property's still mired in controversy.

http://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/publications/benchmark/2009/02/020911.php

http://www.mb.com.ph/article.php?aid=7847&sid=1&subid=3#.UXDX0MrzqdE

Should this come to pass, the Nayong Pilipino area will definitely be turned into an extension of Terminal 2.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:25 am

 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:01 pm

Yes, there seems to be plenty of activity going on if these blogs are any indication.....


http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...-bags-3000-seats-to-australia.html

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...cebu-pacific-to-fly-melbourne.html

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...grades-8-domestic-airport-for.html

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...ring-airlines-comes-to-manila.html

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...4/china-eastern-to-fly-manila.html


Good that 5J was allotted 3,000 weekly seats to Australia...that could easily be covered by their high-density, single-class HGW A330s due for delivery...this will surely intensify competition down-under. However, most intriguing is the mention of beyond rights from Oz to NZ.

Also interesting are Spring and China Eastern's coming over...both will certainly boost commerce and tourism...but China Eastern's current inability to get a slot highlights the acute saturation problem besetting NAIA. This is bound to get worse once new aircraft ordered by PR and 5J start arriving.

The CAAP and MIAA better start working on the airport's precision navs modernization to maximize aircraft movements while minimizing turnaround times - with its single runway. Also, there is not much time to wait for an international pax terminal capacity boost, aircraft parking apron expansion and new airline ops and hangar construction.

The above could only be expedited if the Government would prioritize and fund these projects.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:38 am

Manila really needs a new airport, not a new or expanded terminal. The current airport with only one runway for large aircraft is not working with the increased traffic. The cross runway can accomodate some traffic but still very limited.

Instead of spending money on this project, revive the idea of a new airport in Bulacan that was proposed recently by San Miguel Co.

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:32 pm

Quoting The777Man (Reply 9):

Instead of spending money on this project, revive the idea of a new airport in Bulacan that was proposed recently by San Miguel Co.

The proponent has backpedaled on that...which, in any case, doesn't seem to have much favor among the three options tabled.....

http://www.philstar.com/business/201...mulls-3-options-phl-airport-system

Quote:
"Abaya said the first option involves a single airport system wherein the government would shut down and sell the NAIA and develop the Clark International Airport in Pampanga.

The second option, he said, involves a twin or dual system wherein the government would develop Clark and at the same time maximize the operations of NAIA until 2025 but at the same time look for an alternative site for a new airport that would be 25 kilometers or 30 minutes away from the existing gateway.

The DOTC chief said the third option also involves a twin or dual system wherein the government would jointly develop Clark and NAIA and then decide whether or not to put up an alternative airport.

'Previously, the direction was to move all NAIA’s current operations to Clark International Airport within the next five to seven years. What is clear now is that we need Clark to absorb some of the traffic in NAIA. Even if initially, it seems more cost efficient to have a single main gateway, there are dual airport systems existing around the world that actually perform well commercially,' he said in his speech.

He said the agency is looking at ways to further increase the capacity of the old NAIA airport to 60 events or landings and take offs per hour from the average 40 events per hour.

He added that there is no available land to further extend the runway of NAIA or put up a new terminal as it is surrounded by subdivisions and commercial areas.

Abaya pointed out that Cabinet secretaries are leaning towards the second option jointly developing NAIA and Clark and at the same time looking for a site for a new international gateway that may involve the reclamation of Laguna de Bay or Manila Bay as well as the Sangley airport in Cavite."




Meanwhile, PAL just announced the restart of its services to KSA and the end of its codeshares to the GCC states...

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...ines-in-major-route-expansion.html

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=mnl-dmm/jed/ruh/auh/doh/dxb&MS=wls&MR=540&MX=720x360&PM=*
http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=mnl-dmm/j.../dxb&MS=wls&MR=540&MX=720x360&PM=*

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...-approval-for-mideast-flights.html

Quote:
"Philippine Airlines officially launched Friday new destinations to the Middle East as it re-opens route network to Dammam, Jeddah, and Riyadh all in Saudi Arabia on December 1 using a fleet of new generation A330-300.

PAL will soon be ending its code-share flights to the Gulf on the next winter schedule by introducing flights to Doha, Qatar and Dubai, UAE on November 1."


[Edited 2013-04-26 09:38:01]
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:28 am

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 6):
Quoting crownvic (Reply 5):
What are all these people standing outside doing?

If this is departures, these are wellwishers waiting for their families' flights to leave, as they don't leave until the plane takes off. It also helps in situations like this:

Akiestar...Most appear to have luggage and documents and are not wellwishers. The drop off area as you know, is totally inadequate. It was designed for a Pan Am 707, a CX CV-880, a BOAC VC-10 and a Philippine DC-8 departing at different times of the day and not a Qatar 77W, EK 77W, Etihad 77W, Kuwait A340, SV 744 and misc Jumbos all either arriving or departing at the same time. That is part of the problem at this airport. If they want to ease some of the congestion, start telling these airlines that they can no longer all arrive and depart w/ one another! In the Middle East, no of these destination airports are under any traffic restrictions, aside from DXB.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:47 am

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 6):
Quoting crownvic (Reply 5):
Then once inside, be prepared to stand in crazy check-in lines, unless you are flying C/F class.

Weird. I just flew out yesterday and the crowds seem fine, but I will admit this was 6:00 pm.

Well, you were lucky. Seems every time I am at Terminal One, it is a zoo.

Quoting crownvic (Reply 5):
They should also do something with the wasted land where a massive airport hotel has sat derelict for so many years. I don't even know when it closed.

The Panlilios (owners of Grand Air) owned the Philippine Village Hotel, which closed during the Asian financial crisis due to bankruptcy, and was later sequestered by the government. A very long legal battle ensued over the property, which was only recently (2009, I believe) decided in favor of the government, allowing it to take over the property from the Panlilios. But even until now, the property's still mired in controversy.

http://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/publications/benchmark/2009/02/020911.php

http://www.mb.com.ph/article.php?aid=7847&sid=1&subid=3#.UXDX0MrzqdE

Should this come to pass, the Nayong Pilipino area will definitely be turned into an extension of Terminal 2.

Very interesting reading. Unfortunately, the second link would not open for me. I realize you are trying to defend your "home turf" and the U.S. has our own crappy airports, but when you have no choice but to use this airport, it is not a pleasant experience. Pinoy or not, you have to admit that massive derelict hotel sitting on prime airport property, is a bit ridiculous. If the rightful parties maintained possession in 2009, it has now been four years and nothing has happened. Maybe part of my frustration is the great photo ops, one could have from those east facing balconies  

Manila is a booming city. There are construction cranes everywhere building many high rise apartments, condos, offices etc. along with fancy water front casinos. OK, i realize this maybe private money, but at that same time, there is practically zero activity in the way of improving this airport. When was the last time the windows were cleaned in Terminal One? Heck, hire some minimum wage folks (there are plenty looking for a job) and have then clean windows! I see the same stains on windows there year after year. How much could that cost?

Personally, I don't think the government has a clue what to do w/ this airport. The last time they hired somebody, was FraPort. I don't think we need to talk about that fiasco! I get the feeling they have thrown their hands up and have no rudder on this ocean liner. The airport is land locked by buildings and shanty towns and cannot be expanded. It has bisecting runways that have poor flow control and the main runway gets bogged down with ATR's, Dash 8's and Q400's that further impede on large a/c. NAIA is not going to give up the revenues to Clark. An entirely new airport needs to be built, like every other Asian city has done, but I just do not see it happening. In other words, it is only going to get worse, so I guess I better get use to it.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:17 pm

Any one who knows why Abu Dhabi still isn't bookable on PAL's website,even though I'm able to book it via different web travel agencies?

Quoting crownvic (Reply 11):
If they want to ease some of the congestion, start telling these airlines that they can no longer all arrive and depart w/ one another!

Good point, but there's a reaosn why. EK/EY/QR all want their MNL-flights to fit into their two-three departure/arrival banks at their respective hubs.

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:48 pm

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 13):
Any one who knows why Abu Dhabi still isn't bookable on PAL's website,even though I'm able to book it via different web travel agencies?

I guess it´s because PR´s own flights are not yet listed in the CRS.
Those flights with PR flight numbers are still the codeshares on EY metal ...
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:32 pm

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:15 am

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 10):
The proponent has backpedaled on that...which, in any case, doesn't seem to have much favor among the three options tabled.....

Thanks for the update.

Clark seems really far away.....

At least they are looking at alternatives.

Thanks again!

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Thu May 02, 2013 5:18 pm

Quoting The777Man (Reply 16):
Thanks for the update.

You're welcome. Here's another (non) update.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/2013/05/new-york.html

Quote:
New York?

"Philippine Airlines President and Chief Operating Officer Ramon Ang said the airline has filed with US DOT regulatory approvals to fly New York and Chicago to Manila using Boeing 777-300ER beginning on the next winter schedule. Ang said the next American destination after Toronto is New York. PAL will receive two new triple seven this year."


It wasn't stated how the flights would be routed. PR seems quite upbeat..    ..even in the face of this.....

http://business.inquirer.net/119741/route-of-the-problem

Quote:
"PAL nevertheless must contend with other problems such as the refusal of the governments of South Korea and Japan to grant PAL additional flights, which PAL felt to be rather underserved, as airline ticket prices have been flying through the roof because of big demand with short supply.

Reason for their refusal has always been our CAT-II problem, courtesy of the US Federal Aviation Authority, or the FAA, which a few years ago downgraded its rating of the Philippines for airport safety to Category II. As a result, PAL could not add new routes to the United States or even replace its existing aircraft serving the US routes with new ones.

From what I heard, our salvation from the damning CAT-II has been a moving target for the Aquino (Part II) administration, as the FAA insisted on some measures that would perhaps take more than a lifetime for us to meet. For instance, the FAA insisted that the government should not rely on PAL experts for pilot training, meaning, the government should train its own instructors, which would only take years and years of flying experience, and where would you get that except from PAL?

Hmmm, maybe there is something more in the CAT-II problem than just the airport 'safety.' After all, US airlines are also having a grand time flying here, serving those 10 plus million OFWs."


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http://www.commlawblog.com/uploads/image/FAA%20thinking-1.jpg


Are they saying PAL trained pilots are less-qualified...or there's a conflict of interests so they're "suggesting" a different trainer...who might that be? Wonder what else lies strewn on the path to Cat I ...perhaps RSA has reasons to be optimistic?   

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Thu May 02, 2013 6:33 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 17):
Are they saying PAL trained pilots are less-qualified...or there's a conflict of interests so they're "suggesting" a different trainer...who might that be?

Its a bit of a conflict when the one who plays the role of the regulator is also employed by a local airline they have oversight over.

For instance in the US, Europe and other nations, such flight standards employees are full time employees of the government regulatory agency, and have no links to the airlines they supervise. Same goes with maintenance inspectors and other oversight positions.
While in practice some of these folks might be former airline employees themselves, they are bared from providing oversight of their former employer or colleagues.

At the end of the day, the independence and strength of regulator body is quite important to ensure safety and proper oversight.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri May 03, 2013 6:01 am

There's a rumor going around that the four A343 that PAL is gonna acquire are coming from Iberia.

I know that Iberia is replacing their A343s, however, can they afford to retire 4 within the next few months?
 
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Fri May 03, 2013 2:00 pm

Cebu Pacific's first A330. The photo is from May the 1st and I can't find any other images of it on this site yet, so I assume this is news. Unfortunately I don't know who the photographer is so can't credit the image to them.  http://24.media.tumblr.com/d4ebb39475bc2ef3ff91de630b4e25cd/tumblr_mm4l82MsuD1s7b3gjo1_1280.jpg
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Fri May 03, 2013 3:13 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18):
Its a bit of a conflict when the one who plays the role of the regulator is also employed by a local airline they have oversight over.

Point taken, but the question remains..."Are the pilots PAL graduate any less proficient compared to their foreign counterparts?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18):
While in practice some of these folks might be former airline employees themselves, they are bared from providing oversight of their former employer or colleagues.

So, former PAL hands don't necessarily have to stay out of the regulatory regime...they merely have to be inhibited from exercising oversight functions on their erstwhile employer and colleagues.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 20):
Cebu Pacific's first A330.

   Looking good! I'm guessing it will get deployed to the ME first...and hopefully, to Oz and Kiwiland too.  
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Fri May 03, 2013 3:35 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 21):
Point taken, but the question remains..."Are the pilots PAL graduate any less proficient compared to their foreign counterparts?

Hard to say.

With a weak regulatory regime who knows if people are really proficient, and were not simply passed or promoted based on various other motivations. It probably hard to gauge peoples qualifications, when there might be doubt about the paper trail that follows them.

For example, I know have a Filipino pilot friend who works for EVA. He has told me stories of people virtually buying their pilot licences from inspectors, with student log book being filed up with fake flights, or doctors that could be paid off to sign medical certificates, etc. And that is only the pilot licensing end of stuff. There was a host of other stories about maintenance, gray market parts etc..


So whatever the stories, I think it imperative Philippine government once and for all establishes a strong and trustworthy oversight regime - for benefit of all parties, especially the safety of its own citizens.
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Fri May 03, 2013 3:55 pm

According to this post, SEAIR Philippines plans to launch a direct service from Manila to Phuket, Thailand by the end of the year....

http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...ippines-looks-at-expansion-in.html

Think link offers a handy timeline of the big route launches coming up for Philippine Airlines. The article also suggests that Turkey could be the first European destination once the ban is lifted....

http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...ing-flight-path-of-philippine.html
 
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Fri May 03, 2013 3:59 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 21):
I'm guessing it will get deployed to the ME first...and hopefully, to Oz and Kiwiland too.

It's flying to ICN first, actually.   
 
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Fri May 03, 2013 7:32 pm

Here is another good article with plenty of information on route deployment and what the future holds for Cebu Pacific's first A330 and the remaining 7 to be delivered... http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...limpse-of-cebu-pacifics-brand.html
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon May 06, 2013 12:11 pm

IATA has finally weighed in and reported that they would prefer a single airport system for Manila, Philippines rather than a dual airport system.

"The International Air Transport Association (IATA) prefers Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) as the main gateway for Manila with alternative airport to be establish within the metropolis. It recently submitted its position to the government relative to the creation of multi-airport system espoused by the Department of Transport and Communications (DOTC). Malacañang is carefully evaluating the three options before it reaches a decision on whether Manila would adopt a single or twin airport system."

The Philippine government must evaluate which of three options are best for the long term development of airport infrastructure for the country's main gateway. What do you think is the best option?

More Info and complete list of options, click Here:
http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...urs-single-airport-system-for.html
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon May 06, 2013 4:05 pm

I guess the second option sounds best but don't as long as 2025. Have a plan in place by 2020 for a new airport closer to the city. Second option sort sounds like a way of saying we'll see what happens.

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Mon May 06, 2013 5:44 pm

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 26):
What do you think is the best option?

The best option is that which would serve the country's interests the most.....

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http://www.philstar.com/business/201...a-pushes-single-airport-system-phl

Quote:
"Abaya said the first option involves a single airport system wherein the government would shut down and sell the congested NAIA and develop the Clark International Airport in Pampanga.

The second option, he revealed, involves dual system wherein the government would develop Clark and at the same time maximize the operations of NAIA until 2025 while looking for an alternative site for a new airport that would be 25 kilometers or 30 minutes away from the existing gateway.

The DOTC chief said the third option also involves dual system wherein the government would jointly develop Clark and NAIA and then decide whether or not to put up an alternative airport."



That strongly argues for the third option which brings the most immediate and tangible results for the least outlay. They could maximize the operations at NAIA while not adding to airspace congestion by having another busy one so close by ...there would be an adequate diversion airport suitably located to handle emergencies or absorb overflow flights in case of downtime in the other.

This option also brings the benefits of a gateway nearer to the broader population base in central/western/northern Luzon ...at the same time keeping the premier airport for the national capital region and southern/eastern provinces ...in contrast to IATA's preference for a single Manila airport.

Option 1 leaves no wiggle room, Option 2 seems a tentative solution, and Option 3 is open ended.



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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue May 07, 2013 4:58 am

No corroboration yet, but the best news for Philippine aviation in quite a long while could be forthcoming.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...05/faa-confirms-icao-findings.html

Quote:
"The Federal Administration Administration (FAA) has completed its reassessment of the country's aviation standards scheduled on May 2 and 3, 2013. But the US regulator has not made itself available for comment regarding the Agency's visit to the country last week.

'They have accepted our position and we have accepted their position at the same time, so we have meeting of minds,' says Deputy Director General John C. Andrews yesterday.

Andrews told that FAA inspectors are not the ones who decide the category rating but merely inspect compliance to aviation standards which then make recommendations to John Barbagallo, FAA Manager for International programs and policy.

CAAP is however optimistic on the results of the audit as they defended their position on international compliance previously issued by United Nation's International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO)."



Better keep the seal on the bubbly for now...    .



Meanwhile, QR is transferring one flight from MNL to CRK starting Oct 28.....

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http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/2013/05/qatar-flies-clark.html

Quote:
"Qatar Airways will move one of its flight out of Manila to Clark from October 28 after Philippine Airlines (PAL) cancelled code-share deals with Doha based carrier effective on the next winter schedule. Earlier, PAL cancelled deals with Dubai-based Emirates Airlines after PAL decided to fly own metal to the Middle East countries on the next winter schedule beginning November 1."

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue May 07, 2013 7:15 am

Is there any significance or implication that the Gulf carriers seem to be shifting towards Clark? Could this be that they are starting to acknowledge Clark as the new gateway to the Philippines?

I wonder if PAL will ever consider launching a middle east route from Clark. The Philippine airspace blog above notes that Qatar will be replacing one of its Manila flights with the service to Clark. Is that true? I haven't been able to confirm that anywhere.

I bet Etihad will be launching a Clark service within the next few months.

More details here:
http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...irways-announces-new-route-to.html

Also, will Qatar be using the A330 or B777? Are Clark's facilities adequate to handle this huge influx of international passengers through the customs area if the flights were scheduled around the same time?
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Tue May 07, 2013 3:40 pm

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 30):
I wonder if PAL will ever consider launching a middle east route from Clark. The Philippine airspace blog above notes that Qatar will be replacing one of its Manila flights with the service to Clark. Is that true? I haven't been able to confirm that anywhere.

The gulf carriers are renting entitlements from PAL. If PAL decides to take the entitlements back and fly their own metal to the middle east, then they have no choice but to reduce frequency. Even EK's service to Clark comes at a time when they're going to lose a frequency to Manila because PAL is no longer going to codeshare by the 4th quarter.

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 30):
Are Clark's facilities adequate to handle this huge influx of international passengers through the customs area if the flights were scheduled around the same time?

They're not. But then again, they're not really adequate at MNL either, and that hasn't stopped multiple widebodies arriving at the same time in a cramped terminal.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed May 08, 2013 2:27 am

Sorry folks...afraid I got burned by that link in Reply 26...    ...

http://cdn.feeyo.com/pic/20080628/200806280325235010.jpg
http://cdn.feeyo.com/pic/20080628/200806280325235010.jpg

Apparently, the photo is - of all places, Chengdu airport. I thought it was the Koreans' proposed design for CRK..    ..again, apologies if I had misled anybody...    .



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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed May 08, 2013 3:54 am

Quoting LurveBus (Reply 31):
Quoting dforce1 (Reply 30):
Are Clark's facilities adequate to handle this huge influx of international passengers through the customs area if the flights were scheduled around the same time?

They're not. But then again, they're not really adequate at MNL either, and that hasn't stopped multiple widebodies arriving at the same time in a cramped terminal.

I agree...I have landed at Clark when just one other flight arrived and it was a one hour wait in Customs. If three a/c hit at the same time, it is chaos. I just hope the airport authority there is prepared for this influx on the Customs side. They can barely handle multiple A320 arrivals let alone a 77W!
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed May 08, 2013 5:08 am

I guess QR will keep the popular QR 926/927 service at MNL which is a standardized schedule operated with a B77W departing MNL at 1725 daily and arriving into MNL at 1555 respectively.

CRK does not have the slot problems that MNL has so hopefully the 2nd daily MNL which is operated currently with a split schedule, shall change to a standardized one with a 0825 dep from DOH, arriving into CRK at 2215 and departing back for DOH from CRK at 0005. Though from my experience working with GF on this route, I know Filipinos find it unsafe to commute back to their homes between 2300-0200 after arriving from the GCC, so if this is the deal breaker for QR and if they can obtain other slots at CRK, they have the choice of moving QR 928/929 to CRK which is a 1925 dep from DOH, 0915 arr into CRK and departing back at 1040 !
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed May 08, 2013 5:01 pm

Some breaking news: the A321 will be entering service with PR this August! Planes will be registered as RP-C99XX. Kudos to fransarj of SkyscraperCity for this info. 



Source: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=103058541&postcount=34010

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Wed May 08, 2013 8:42 pm

Quoting crownvic (Reply 33):
I agree...I have landed at Clark when just one other flight arrived and it was a one hour wait in Customs. If three a/c hit at the same time, it is chaos. I just hope the airport authority there is prepared for this influx on the Customs side. They can barely handle multiple A320 arrivals let alone a 77W!

If Philippine Airlines ever wants a fair chance at making Manila a transit hub for international passengers, it will need to make significant improvements to the guest experience. I suppose if the Philippines is your final destinations, you just simply don't have a choice but if you are connecting to an onward destination, Singapore is far more appealing!

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 35):
Some breaking news: the A321 will be entering service with PR this August! Planes will be registered as RP-C99XX. Kudos to fransarj of SkyscraperCity for this info.

Awesome news! Does anyone know when Cebu Pacific will be receiving its first A321?
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Thu May 09, 2013 5:23 am

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 35):
Some breaking news: the A321 will be entering service with PR this August!

I wonder if Time Airways will purchase similar aircraft. It pretty much mirror's PAL's fleet except for the CRJ. Perhaps Ser Chief's company will do maintenance on PAL's fleet as well.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Thu May 09, 2013 3:12 pm

I just read that the Civil Aeronautics Board is reporting that it will ask Philippine Airlines and Cebu Pacific to reduce its flights to Boracay after repeated flight cancellations beginning the first week of April.

Read More Here:
http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...lights-to-boracay-may-get-cut.html

What do you think is going on here with the so-called flight cancellations? Is Cebu Pacific and PAL trying to monopolize slots at Caticlan to prevent competitors from coming in? If they are indeed forced to reduce flights, who will fill the void? Zest is dropping their turbo props and I'm not sure what is happening with SEAir but I know turboprops are not part of their new Tiger Airways-adopted business model. How about SkyJet? They said they wanted to service Caticlan with the Bae-146. Is the Caticlan runway capable of handling this aircraft?
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Thu May 09, 2013 3:20 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 37):
I wonder if Time Airways will purchase similar aircraft.

Just as long as Captain James Ventura is still the Chief Pilot for Time Airways.  

Any news on the recently concluded FAA audit? Is FAA recommending the lifting of CAT II?
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Thu May 09, 2013 8:12 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 37):
Perhaps Ser Chief's company will do maintenance on PAL's fleet as well.

   Keep in mind that El Capitan also owns LTP    .

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 38):
What do you think is going on here with the so-called flight cancellations? Is Cebu Pacific and PAL trying to monopolize slots at Caticlan to prevent competitors from coming in?

Your guess is as good as anyone else's   .

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 38):
If they are indeed forced to reduce flights, who will fill the void? Zest is dropping their turbo props

.
http://www.flightglobal.com/Assets/GetAsset.aspx?ItemID=10998

Been there, and done that.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWg6EpiFrAQ&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNdtwGFeCPk

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 38):
How about SkyJet? They said they wanted to service Caticlan with the Bae-146. Is the Caticlan runway capable of handling this aircraft?

If they're willing to put up with the restrictions, and make money despite those.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...duled-regional-jet-service-211530/

Quote:
"Po says that to clear the way for operations into the strip, the airline had to obtain BAE Systems' certification and special approval from the Philippine civil aviation authorities. He adds that the carrier is only allowed to land at Caticlan using the 83-seat BAe 146-100 variant, but with capacity restricted to 60 passengers."


   Not sure if the CAAP has now banned jet ops into MPH altogether...and don't know about the current status of the runway extension project    .

That said, I wonder if 5J or 2P would still order this for Caticlan and Panglao.....

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri May 10, 2013 3:20 am

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 38):
What do you think is going on here with the so-called flight cancellations? Is Cebu Pacific and PAL trying to monopolize slots at Caticlan to prevent competitors from coming in? If they are indeed forced to reduce flights, who will fill the void? Zest is dropping their turbo props and I'm not sure what is happening with SEAir but I know turboprops are not part of their new Tiger Airways-adopted business model. How about SkyJet? They said they wanted to service Caticlan with the Bae-146. Is the Caticlan runway capable of handling this aircraft?

I recently read with the Tiger Air purchase, the original SEAir was split into the Airbus operation they were interested in, and the turbo-prop operation will rebuild, completely independent of Tiger ownership. This may resurrect the D328 operation and I'm sure Caticlan will be high on their list.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 40):

Not sure if the CAAP has now banned jet ops into MPH altogether...and don't know about the current status of the runway extension project .

That said, I wonder if 5J or 2P would still order this for Caticlan and Panglao.....

I was there last week. The grading of the hill had already started and I also noticed, the green "Mabuhay" YAK-40 (ex-IslandAir) is gone. They said the a/c was moved for the expansion and it was trucked to Kalibo. Not sure if that is factual though. Anyway, the expansion has started.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri May 10, 2013 3:21 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 41):

I was there last week. The grading of the hill had already started and I also noticed, the green "Mabuhay" YAK-40 (ex-IslandAir) is gone. They said the a/c was moved for the expansion and it was trucked to Kalibo. Not sure if that is factual though. Anyway, the expansion has started.

somehow, my text got italicized in the previous thread
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri May 10, 2013 4:34 am

Who is Astro Air.

Noted there crew in Clark terminal the other day waiting to take a CRK - TPE - KALIBO sector, however no passengers were getting on in CRK.

MD80 was on ramp being prepared, and a/c had 8 cabin crew, seemed excessive for an MD80
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri May 10, 2013 9:24 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 41):
This may resurrect the D328 operation and I'm sure Caticlan will be high on their list.

   I was kinda hoping they would acquire a few of these to widen the variety they have had over the years.....

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   Would certainly be exciting to watch it land and climb out of MPH.....

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Quoting crownvic (Reply 41):
I was there last week. The grading of the hill had already started and I also noticed, the green "Mabuhay" YAK-40 (ex-IslandAir) is gone. They said the a/c was moved for the expansion and it was trucked to Kalibo. Not sure if that is factual though. Anyway, the expansion has started.

Thank you for the information. Expecting the terminal would look nice like this.....

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Quoting babaero (Reply 43):
Who is Astro Air.

Sorry, no idea who.

Quoting babaero (Reply 43):
MD80 was on ramp being prepared, and a/c had 8 cabin crew, seemed excessive for an MD80

I wonder if this could be the very same plane?.....

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5935183


BTW, a pity that catchy user name rarely makes an appearance here lately...brightens the day!   



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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Fri May 10, 2013 8:21 pm

Quoting crownvic (Reply 41):
I recently read with the Tiger Air purchase, the original SEAir was split into the Airbus operation they were interested in, and the turbo-prop operation will rebuild, completely independent of Tiger ownership. This may resurrect the D328 operation and I'm sure Caticlan will be high on their list.

Yes, I read that as well. They formed a new company called SEAir International which is rather ironic considering they will never fly internationally with those aircraft. I thought they were to have launched by now but I haven't heard a single word about them in a while. Maybe one could dig through the CAB website for some information.

Quoting babaero (Reply 43):
Who is Astro Air.

Astro Air appears to be a reincarnation of Spirit of Manila Airlines. At present, it appears their fleet consists of a couple of MD-83 aircraft. The focus of the airline will be flights to Taipei, Taiwan served non-stop from both Subic and Kalibo airport. They are currently awaiting permission from the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines for permission to fly the new routes. Flights were supposed to have launched in January 2013. https://www.facebook.com/AstroAir

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 40):
Not sure if the CAAP has now banned jet ops into MPH altogether...and don't know about the current status of the runway extension project

What is the maximum size of aircraft they are hoping to accommodate after the runway extension? Is anything planned for the terminal?

On another note, are SkyJet's BAE-146 aircraft ex-Asian Spirit?

Yesterday was retirement day for Zest Air's fleet of MA-60 turboprop aircraft. Last flight was from Busuanga and arrived in Manila at 5pm. More on that story here: http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...013/05/zest-air-retires-ma-60.html
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sat May 11, 2013 4:42 am

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 45):
What is the maximum size of aircraft they are hoping to accommodate after the runway extension? Is anything planned for the terminal?

I don't have time to find the link, but if you google "Caticlan Airport Expansion" there are full details. There will be a whole new terminal (there are images) and the r/w will be expanded to 1900m from 890m. Long enough to accommodate flights from most Asian cities.

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 45):

On another note, are SkyJet's BAE-146 aircraft ex-Asian Spirit?

No they are not. If you click on this link, you will find quite a history of this particular a/c including it's start at PSA and it then migrating through Europe for most of it's recent life
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7596947&nseq=1

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 45):
Yesterday was retirement day for Zest Air's fleet of MA-60 turboprop aircraft. Last flight was from Busuanga and arrived in Manila at 5pm. More on that story here: http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...013/05/zest-air-retires-ma-60.html

Sad to see them go. I flew on them many times and never had anything to concern me w/ their safety. Both accidents at Caticlan I personally do not blame on the a/c. Every ATR and Dash 8 flying into MPH is pushing it's performance parameters. Both landing accidents were really not the fault of the a/c
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sat May 11, 2013 6:53 pm

Quoting babaero (Reply 43):
Who is Astro Air.

According to this article, Astro Air already has its air operator certificate but its still waiting approval to fly the routes. Anybody know what the hold up is or why this airline hasn't launched flights yet? It says they were supposed to have launched in January. Would be nice to see some MD-83's back in the Philippine skies for a bit more variety!

More here: http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...international-ready-to-launch.html
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun May 12, 2013 6:43 pm

Does anybody know if PAL's new A330-300's and the leased A340 from Iberia will have personal televisions with video on demand like the B777?
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2013

Sun May 12, 2013 7:06 pm

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 47):

Well, I suspect it´s related to the bilaterals between the Philippines and Taiwan as Astro Air needs to get a certain amount of entitlements ...
I think it´s the CAB that slows down the process - don´t think there´s opposition on the Taiwan side.

My comment is pure "guesswork" ...
So, don´t take it as given fact !
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