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PIT Update Thread 26

Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:04 am

The previous thread is over 200 replies
PIT Update Thread Part 25 (by iowaman Feb 27 2013 in Civil Aviation)

To start #26, here's a historic diversion down memory lane via some system timetable covers and advertisements featuring Pittsburgh.



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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:04 am

New air service developments include:

- LBE-DFW on Spirit
- 7th daily PIT-DTW on DL
- 7th daily PIT-ORD on UA
- DL changes to NYC... the A-319 to LGA will change to an MD-80, and the return of a 757 to JFK (to position an aircraft for PIT-CDG)
- daily PIT-SFO next winter on UA
- 6x weekly PIT-LAX next winter on UA
- PIT-BNA on WN
- 4th daily PIT-BOS on B6

PIT-HOU on WN and AA additions discussed last thread.



Related to air service development is economic strength/growth. On that note, here is some good news:

"U-Haul Ranks Pittsburgh as 2012 Top U.S. Growth City"
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...-top-us-growth-city-202676371.html
Perhaps a bit misleading, as this only compares in-migration compared to out-migration. It does not consider births vs. deaths. Pittsburgh has a very high average age, and this has plagued the region's population stats negatively for many years. I think this phenomenon will finally pass in a few years, and the region's true economic vitality will be more clear. In the mean time, it's still great to be ahead of the traditional cities which have made up that list.

And more office development in the airport corridor:
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...per-building-spec-building-in.html

Royal Dutch Shell to enter a joint venture to service midstream natural gas companies related to its proposed cracker in Beaver County.
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...liams-shell-joint-venture-for.html
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:16 am

I wonder how long that 4 daily PIT-BOS will last
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:02 pm

I had no idea that Yugoslav Airlines once served PIT...

Also, in that United ad, is that the then-under-construction US Steel Building in that ad?

Oh, and the links to bizjournals aren't working...
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:23 pm

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 3):
I had no idea that Yugoslav Airlines once served PIT...

Scheduled charters only, to DTW, CLE, and PIT.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 3):
Also, in that United ad, is that the then-under-construction US Steel Building in that ad?

Yes
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:49 am

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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:44 pm

As a pilot who jumpseats from PIT and routinely across the country to other airports I can tell you that PIT is NOT an easy place to get in and out of due to a lack of available seats, quite the opposite of what our CLT fan suggests. Additionally, a large portion of seats both in and out of hubs (CLT) are filled with non-rev passengers travelling to-from work, these pilots and flight attendents certainly count for a fair share of seats. I've never seen smack talking between airports by the way, it certainly is a strange tactic to employ.
 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:10 pm

(Misread what you wrote...) Yeah, your right. I heard the HOU Flight is producing well out of pit. I wouldnt be shocked if it goes to 2x daily soon. And in regards to UA to IAH, Looking at the summer schedule, 6x a day. 2 320's 2 739's and 2 145's. Not too bad if you ask me...

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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:43 pm

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 18):
I heard the HOU Flight is producing well out of pit. I wouldnt be shocked if it goes to 2x daily soon.

I check the WN website from time to time, and the flight isn't very cheap either; I imagine it will do well.




I wouldn't have believed a word of this 5 years ago. Its amazing the transformation this city is undergoing:
http://www.businessinsider.com/oil-i...ing-migration-to-pittsburgh-2013-4
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:01 pm

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 18):
2 320's 2 739's and 2 145's. Not too bad if you ask me...

I'd go as far as calling those ERJs as "token" RJs, especially when they're paired up against aircraft like A320s and 739s, which seat 150 to 175 pax...

I wouldn't call LF of roughly 60-80% on PIT-DFW via 3x daily AA MD80s all that bad. That was for the 3 available flights departing today. I believe that AA has four daily flights. AA.com showed 3 n-s flights available, so I assumed there were no more available seats on one of the MD80s. Or are there only 3 flights on Saturday/Sunday but 4 during the week?
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Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:47 pm

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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:38 pm

Looks like it will be a few more weeks before we know PeoplExpress's plans
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...ress-plans-to-acquire-airline.html
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:21 am

I'm still not holding my breath on the whole PeoplExpress bit. A little while back, it looks like US posted its quarterly profit information, and it mentioned how they were filling their planes. I was curious as to how many of the inbound or outbound flights were full...
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:42 am

Some more nice upgrades coming from Delta include:

- 4th JFK frequency (including on days the 757 runs) while maintaining 6x LGA (including 1 MD-80)
- 7th DTW frequency (previously mentioned); upgauge of one of the flights to MD-80
- MSP will remain at 4x, however will see upgauges to include 2 A319/320 and 2 CR9s
- upgauge of the first ATL flight to a 757
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:56 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 13):
Some more nice upgrades coming from Delta include:

- 4th JFK frequency (including on days the 757 runs) while maintaining 6x LGA (including 1 MD-80)
- 7th DTW frequency (previously mentioned); upgauge of one of the flights to MD-80
- MSP will remain at 4x, however will see upgauges to include 2 A319/320 and 2 CR9s
- upgauge of the first ATL flight to a 757

Those are all sweet-@ss upgrades! Mainline to Detroit AND Minneapolis? Even the RJ equipment is large 70-some-seat CR9 equipment...

Besides the MD80 to LGA, what is the mix, E70/75 equipment?
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:36 am

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 14):
Besides the MD80 to LGA, what is the mix, E70/75 equipment?

1x MD-88, 4x CRJ700, 1x E-175
 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:31 pm

Quoting N670UW (Reply 15):
1x MD-88, 4x CRJ700, 1x E-175

Decent amount of seats. Isn't that over 500 seats?
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:52 am

Not bad. What do you guys think could be any new routes on airlines from PIT.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:38 am

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 17):
Not bad. What do you guys think could be any new routes on airlines from PIT.

I could see WN adding STL. Maybe even B6 to FLL.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:55 pm

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 18):
I could see WN adding STL. Maybe even B6 to FLL.

There was speculation that B6 might add a Florida market from PIT. I guess FLL would suit B6 well. Doesn't WN serve PIT-FLL only on a seasonal basis?

Besides possible LHR, could the "new" AA possibly add another city from PIT? I know it's probably a stretch, but SAN or SEA? Is AA strong in either one of those markets?
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:20 pm

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 19):

There was speculation that B6 might add a Florida market from PIT. I guess FLL would suit B6 well. Doesn't WN serve PIT-FLL only on a seasonal basis?

FL does, and its year round service. 2x daily.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 19):
Besides possible LHR, could the "new" AA possibly add another city from PIT? I know it's probably a stretch, but SAN or SEA? Is AA strong in either one of those markets?

As much as i would love to see PIT-SEA or PIT-SAN, i highly doubt US-AA would be a player on these routes. US-AA only serves their hubs from both of those stations. If we see a PIT-SEA, I think it would be on AS or DL. PIT-SAN on AS.

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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:30 pm

With this FLL expansion B6 is having serving FLL now makes sense. WN just recently made FLs 117 seat 717 go up to 2 daily instead of 1 because the route was performing well. If JetBlue really wants to get loyalty from the PIT customers then they should have done MCO or FLL To begin with. It won't back fire on the BOS because almost all the connecting options are different. They should be able to fill around 160-200 seats aday on the E190.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:23 am

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 21):
It won't back fire on the BOS because almost all the connecting options are different. They should be able to fill around 160-200 seats aday on the E190.

By the looks of that, that would look like 2x daily E90s to FLL. Yeah, I think that would be doable.  

When is DL's 1x weekly MCO flights supposed to start (if it hasn't yet)? I wonder how booking is looking for that if it's bookable. I find it somewhat odd that there is no legacy airline on PIT-MCO other than the 1x weekly seasonal DL service. Then again, it is a rather low-yielding (high touristy, little-to-no business travel) route to begin with. Pretty soon, WN is going to have PIT-MCO all to itself...

Would PIT-MCO work for B6 still, or are they too late?
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:28 am

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 22):
Would PIT-MCO work for B6 still, or are they too late?

IMO, Doubtful.

Remember the main reason we were fed that B6 PIT-JFK ended was because they could not get good slots for business travelers. From what I understand those flights still seemed to be pretty full so who knows.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:12 am

I'd expect Houston-Pittsburgh (all airports) to keep booming for a while. I work and consult with several companies that are flying many, many landmen up to Pittsburgh for work down in St Clairsville, Ohio, Wheeling,and Southeasts PA. As with everything oil and gas, first we sent surveyors and geologists, then lawyers and landmen, soon the drillers and roughnecks (very simplified example but I guess I made the point). It is a very big fly-in fly-out industry (at least those I've worked with) thus I'd expect this two metros to get more service over the next few years. Some are even using Columbus and Cleveland as alternatives and shuttling people to the area if PIT flights are full.

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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Wed May 01, 2013 1:24 pm

Well then southwest should go 2-4 daily on HOU-PIT.
1 daily can't stay for long.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Wed May 01, 2013 2:38 pm

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 25):
Well then southwest should go 2-4 daily on HOU-PIT.
1 daily can't stay for long.

I've had people on that flight weekly the last two months and they tell me it is always packed, though I realise that doesn't always mean profit.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Wed May 01, 2013 8:35 pm

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 26):
though I realise that doesn't always mean profit.

Then they could tweak the fares a bit so that they could turn a profit, right? The demand is certainly there if the planes are going out full, so why not?
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Thu May 02, 2013 6:01 am

Chevron's plans for a regional headquarters seem to be evolving into a 60+ acre campus next to the airport boundary

http://triblive.com/business/headlin...chevron-company-moon#axzz2S6zYCiUV
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Thu May 02, 2013 6:27 am

Quoting primetimeDC9 (Reply 6):
I can tell you that PIT is NOT an easy place to get in and out of due to a lack of available seats

You got that right!

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 25):
Well then southwest should go 2-4 daily on HOU-PIT

I don't expect them to add onto that route until they start flying international out of HOU. PIT-IAH on UA is almost always full.
 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Tue May 07, 2013 7:20 pm

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...es-probe-of-airline-merger-in.html

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Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., released a letter he had written to Attorney General Eric Holder asking him to look at how the merger would impact airfares and the number of flights at Pittsburgh International Airport. Casey singled out flights to Dallas/Fort Worth and LaGuardia International and JFK International Airport in New York as particularly at risk.
Casey asked Holder to make sure that the merger doesn't have a similar impact as the loss of the US Airways hub in the merger with America West.
 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Tue May 07, 2013 8:18 pm

Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 30):

I'm still thinking the AA/US merger will be a good thing for the region. AA is already adding LAX service, and there is speculation they might add LHR at some point.

Besides, US and HP merged AFTER the US hub closed. US announced the eventual closure of the hub in 2003 during their first trip through BK. They then went back into CH11 protection (I forget why), but it was during THAT reorganization plan when they merged with/were bought out by HP. They ultimately shrank to their current state due to an increase in competition from LCCs due to the demise of their hub.

I love how he blamed the PIT hub closure on the merger of HP and US. One had NOTHING to do with the other.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Wed May 08, 2013 2:46 am

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 31):
I'm still thinking the AA/US merger will be a good thing for the region. AA is already adding LAX service, and there is speculation they might add LHR at some point

As much as i would love to see LHR...(And im not doubting anyone) But what are the sources that this route MAY be added??
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Wed May 08, 2013 3:07 am

Well guys. The WN-FL merger is finally affecting PIT. Both RSW and FLL are being transferred to SWA starting November 3rd. Say good bye to Airtran on 2 of the 5 markets from PIT. I assume that PIT-ATL will Goto SWA next schedule update. And then eventually MCO will go all SWA, once the 717s start to leave in goo numbers.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Wed May 08, 2013 3:25 am

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 31):
They then went back into CH11 protection (I forget why),

Segal failed to wring out enough costs the first time.
 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Wed May 08, 2013 4:09 am

Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 30):
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...es-probe-of-airline-merger-in.html

Quote:
Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., released a letter he had written to Attorney General Eric Holder asking him to look at how the merger would impact airfares and the number of flights at Pittsburgh International Airport. Casey singled out flights to Dallas/Fort Worth and LaGuardia International and JFK International Airport in New York as particularly at risk.
Casey asked Holder to make sure that the merger doesn't have a similar impact as the loss of the US Airways hub in the merger with America West.

What a wasted effort on his part. The combined US/AA route structure from PIT has already been optimized and is starting to grow again. Barring a miracle, the SOC will be gone; Sen Casey would better serve the region by putting together some kind of package to maintain the maintenance base.

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 32):
As much as i would love to see LHR...(And im not doubting anyone) But what are the sources that this route MAY be added??

There are no sources, just some educated speculation.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Wed May 08, 2013 7:50 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 35):
There are no sources, just some educated speculation.

Agreed. It is speculation, but it is from rather reputable members of A.net; those who follow and seem to understand the industry and how/why airlines do what they do... I'm pretty much going with it rather than arguing against it. After all, AA did add PIT-LAX, after all the speculation about the potential for PIT-LHR. How could anyone not speculate that now?

I agree that Bob Casey basically wasted his time with that. Like I said and as you said as well. service between the two carriers is growing again. Once fully integrated, they'll have about 61 or 62 daily flights. I call that a fairly decent operation.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Wed May 08, 2013 7:57 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 35):
There are no sources, just some educated speculation.

Pretty sound speculation, seems to me. Post-merger, as a result of efficiencies and A321 deliveries, AA will have some 757's to play with. With US's old FF base and a demonstrated market, PIT would be a reasonable place to play.
 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Wed May 08, 2013 8:19 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 37):

I agree that it's sound speculation, but I wouldn't hold my breath. There definitely is a great business case for the route and other similar routes, but what I think is has and will continue to keep it from happening is the slot issue at LHR. All carriers are clamoring for more LHR slots and are, more often than not, not operating at the capacity and frequency they'd like to from their other hubs. So anytime a new slot pair seems to come into play, they always seem to be quickly snatched up for additional frequencies to ATL, DFW or NYC with no real wiggle room for the long-talked about 757 services to the likes of PIT and BDL. Never say never though I guess.
 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Wed May 08, 2013 10:35 pm

Do you guys see US Airways starting any new PIT routes in the future? I honestly wander when the last time a US route was added from PIT.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Wed May 08, 2013 11:22 pm

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 39):

Seriously..... Us airways lol just put money in SWA adding more flights
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Thu May 09, 2013 12:05 am

AGC will keep its tower operating overnight in what is a total waste of money IMHO.
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...airport-overnight-shift-saved.html

There was a time 5-10 years ago when having the tower open all night served a purpose, as AGC was a regional sort for the check haulers (AirNet Express and a few others). 7 or 8 planes would converge on AGC at around midnight, but this business is all but gone. IIRC AGC even had its own dedicated weather observer, a job usually done by controllers at smaller airports and now automated. Gov't waste at its finest in Allegheny County.

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 39):
Do you guys see US Airways starting any new PIT routes in the future? I honestly wander when the last time a US route was added from PIT.


I'm not sure what the purpose of separating US Airways from AA serves when discussing new routes going forward. But to answer your question, the last routes US added from PIT were CKB, PKB, MGW, SEA, and SAN in 2007. These were all a resumption of service after a year or so of being unserved.




Pittsburgh is holding its own with regards to Fortune 500 headquarters, registering 9 hqs again this year.
http://triblive.com/news/editorspick...rtune-list-companies#axzz2SaOfP7R2

Having said that, these rankings are superficial IMHO. For example, next year looks like Allegheny Technologies will drop off the list as they are a mature company near the bottom of the list, and HJ Heinz will disappear into the Berkshire Hathaway portfolio even though its global headquarters will remain in Pittsburgh. Then there is Alcoa and BYMellon, both of which maintain their 'operational' headquarters (including corporate flight departments) in Pittsburgh, but top executive suites are in NYC so are not on Pittsburgh's list. Giant Eagle and Highmark would be on the list if they were not private companies. In other words, the list may shrink, but not the local economic impact of these companies.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Thu May 09, 2013 12:20 am

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 40):
Seriously..... Us airways lol just put money in SWA adding more flights

His question wasnt "Should PIT invest money in adding flights on southwest?"

I will be kind though and repeat his question for you...

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 39):
Do you guys see US Airways starting any new PIT routes in the future? I honestly wander when the last time a US route was added from PIT.

They may whenever the merger is complete. However, I see nothing in the forseeable future. I do see them however upgrading some flights back to mainline. I was kind of shocked that LAX was added.

I could be wrong, and if i am, please someone correct me; But if i remember PIT-IAH was the last route US started in 2005 (Granted it was cut in 2004, but they re-added it in 2005).
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Thu May 09, 2013 1:50 am

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 42):
I could be wrong, and if i am, please someone correct me; But if i remember PIT-IAH was the last route US started in 2005 (Granted it was cut in 2004, but they re-added it in 2005).

I thought PITrules answered that with this:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 41):
I'm not sure what the purpose of separating US Airways from AA serves when discussing new routes going forward. But to answer your question, the last routes US added from PIT were CKB, PKB, MGW, SEA, and SAN in 2007. These were all a resumption of service after a year or so of being unserved.

I guess all of that was axed when US went from 110 departures down to 68 or perhaps some time after that. I know they're under 50 at the moment.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 41):
Having said that, these rankings are superficial IMHO. For example, next year looks like Allegheny Technologies will drop off the list as they are a mature company near the bottom of the list, and HJ Heinz will disappear into the Berkshire Hathaway portfolio even though its global headquarters will remain in Pittsburgh. Then there is Alcoa and BYMellon, both of which maintain their 'operational' headquarters (including corporate flight departments) in Pittsburgh, but top executive suites are in NYC so are not on Pittsburgh's list. Giant Eagle and Highmark would be on the list if they were not private companies. In other words, the list may shrink, but not the local economic impact of these companies.

I agree, that list is superficial. I do wonder if there are any possibilities of companies in the Fortune 1000 about to climb into the top 500. I know that's how Dick's Sporting Goods wound up on the list.

It would be nice if Giant Eagle or Highmark would go public, but I doubt either one will...
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Thu May 09, 2013 2:51 am

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 31):
Quoting PITrules (Reply 35):
Quoting steeler83 (Reply 36):

Agreed, here's a link to the full text of the letter that I just came across: http://politicalnews.me/?id=23540&keys=DOJ-EVALUATE-MERGER-AIRLINES

I like the point made about the ops center being more of a concern than routes themselves.
 
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Thu May 09, 2013 5:00 am

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 43):
Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 42):
I could be wrong, and if i am, please someone correct me; But if i remember PIT-IAH was the last route US started in 2005 (Granted it was cut in 2004, but they re-added it in 2005).

I thought PITrules answered that with this:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 41):
I'm not sure what the purpose of separating US Airways from AA serves when discussing new routes going forward. But to answer your question, the last routes US added from PIT were CKB, PKB, MGW, SEA, and SAN in 2007. These were all a resumption of service after a year or so of being unserved.

Apologies, he did. we must of posted seconds apart as it wasnt there when i was typing. But i was corrected!
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Thu May 09, 2013 6:37 am

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 43):
I do wonder if there are any possibilities of companies in the Fortune 1000 about to climb into the top 500.

American Eagle Outfitters is in the 600 range, I think they have the best shot; and GNC is in the 900 range. Both are locally headquartered and expanding into the global marketplace. American Eagle Outfitters was the driving force behind the number of 747 freighters that operated into PIT from Asia a few years ago.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Thu May 09, 2013 7:55 pm

Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 44):
I like the point made about the ops center being more of a concern than routes themselves.

I do agree that it is of the biggest concern, but even that didn't make too much sense considering the biggest operations were no longer in PIT anymore. PHX is a hub and the corporate hq; CLT, on the other hand, had (has) the largest hub in the system. Either one of those made more sense than PIT in my honest opinion...

Quoting PITrules (Reply 46):
American Eagle Outfitters is in the 600 range, I think they have the best shot; and GNC is in the 900 range. Both are locally headquartered and expanding into the global marketplace. American Eagle Outfitters was the driving force behind the number of 747 freighters that operated into PIT from Asia a few years ago.

I do recall AEO having the 747s flying in from Asia. Even at 600-something, AEO making the Fortune 500 list might be a long shot. That would likely require a jump of over 100 to 200 ranking positions...
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Thu May 09, 2013 10:49 pm

AirTran added 2X daily FLL this past winter. Now with SWA taking over I just checked and SWA has it at 1 daily 737-700 143 seats down from 234 on AirTran last winter. So basically there is a decent gap in seats.
Also RSW also goes down from 3X daily 717 (351 seats) down to 143 seats.
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RE: PIT Update Thread 26

Fri May 10, 2013 2:02 am

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 48):

That would certainly leave a hole in the network for Southern Florida. I guess B6 could add PIT from FLL. Do you suppose AA might up the E45s to at least an E75 or perhaps a CR7 or CR9 if not mainline equipment?

So much demand for Southern FL, yet so little service...
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