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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:09 am

Welcome to the 126th edition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread.

Link to the previous thread New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 125 (by NZ1 Mar 19 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:39 am

There was some confusion about the city pairs in the code share with Turkish Airlines, so here is the full list, from the filing:

Operated by Turkish Airlines (TK/NZ*)

Istanbul - Los Angeles
Istanbul - London (LHR)
Istanbul - Ankara
Istanbul - Hong Kong

Operated by Air New Zealand (NZ/TK*)

Los Angeles - London (LHR)
Los Angeles - Auckland
Auckland - Brisbane
Auckland - Hong Kong
Auckland - Sydney
Auckland - Melbourne
Auckland - Wellington
Auckland - Christchurch
Auckland - Queenstown
Wellington - Sydney
Wellington - Melbourne
Christchurch - Brisbane
Christchurch - Sydney
Christchurch - Melbourne

At the risk of repeating myself, this pleases me on many levels, not all of them directly aviation related. I think it is great that it will be in place in good time for 1915, the centenary of Gallipolli.

http://www.onthegotours.com/Anzac-Da...y-Gallipoli-2015-100th-Anniversary

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:11 am

I don't share the enthusiasm shown for two issues late in the last thread.

Firstly, while I am fiercely proud of the decision to legalise gay marriage, I don't think that it will really affect Air New Zealand or New Zealand aviation at all. It's marvellous, but I can't see an impact, sorry.

Secondly, I don't see the relevance of the Turkish Airlines codeshare. TK is an excellent carrier, but who is this codeshare supposed to serve?

Which TK passengers could conceivably find themselves on NZ metal who wouldn't otherwise, or indeed vice versa?

In Mariner's example, surely anyone going to Gallipoli would fly 1-stop from New Zealand on Emirates rather than flying Air NZ to London and then backtracking on Turkish Airlines to London? I suppose that there could be a transfer at Hong Kong, but all the same, it's not exactly a big market.

I'm glad to see that under Luxon there appears to be some thought about where the airline is going. But many of the missed opportunities are much closer to home.

Why aren't people incensed that Air NZ has restricted AKL-HNL to twice weekly (and occasionally 3 x weekly) when now Hawaiian has added three weekly frequencies and we can all see that there was demand for 5x weekly all along, but NZ was deliberately charging inflated fares and restricting supply?

The Honolulu case is really scandalous, an example of how an airline can abuse a market monopoly to maximise yields but minimise volumes, yet end up inflicting self-harm upon itself.

If Air NZ had kept its lounge and kept 5 to 7 weekly frequencies at sensible prices they might now dominate Honolulu's markets from not just NZ but also BNE, SYD and MEL.

Even now, with Seats To Suit, AKL-HNL fare levels in both classes on Air NZ are around 40% higher than on the equivalent SYD-HNL flight, even when corrected for distance. I suspect that the bloated yields of the last ten years have been economically insignificant compared with the missed opportunity to sell 1200 seats per week instead of 500.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:21 am

Quoting koruman (Reply 2):
Firstly, while I am fiercely proud of the decision to legalise gay marriage, I don't think that it will really affect Air New Zealand or New Zealand aviation at all. It's marvellous, but I can't see an impact, sorry.

Whether it does or it doesn't, it's created headlines, which is half of the battle:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10878374

"Rainbow ruling lures pot of Aussie gold"

But I worry that you put words in my mouth, Koruman:

Quoting koruman (Reply 2):
In Mariner's example, surely anyone going to Gallipoli would fly 1-stop from New Zealand on Emirates rather than flying Air NZ to London and then backtracking on Turkish Airlines to London? I suppose that there could be a transfer at Hong Kong, but all the same, it's not exactly a big market

I didn't claim it was a big market. It is some market, but I said that my comments about Gallipoli were not all aviation related:

Quoting mariner (Reply 1):
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Sorry you missed the point.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:10 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 199):
NZ 787 ops will almost certainly be to the EH destinations like HKG/NRT/PVG while 777s will fly to the WH like LAX/SFO/YVR/South America.

I wonder what AKL-RAR-LAX and AKL-RAR-SYD will be operated with after the 763s retire. Seems a waste to put the new 789 on these routes, but 772 maybe too big?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:06 am

Quoting cchan (Reply 4):
I wonder what AKL-RAR-LAX and AKL-RAR-SYD will be operated with after the 763s retire. Seems a waste to put the new 789 on these routes, but 772 maybe too big?

the question remains whether Christopher will maintain the RAR-LAX sector in the future, especially if the best aircraft for the job is not going to remain in the fleet. Even with the the 763 still in the fleet, if say CHC-PER proves to be a hit I could see the frequency increase coming from the RAR-LAX service.

RAR-SYD can be operated with whatever aircraft type is the ground spare easily enough - the rotation can pretty much be completed in 24h, it's the AKL-RAR-LAX-RAR-AKL flight which takes a plane out of action for around 40h and is harder to schedule..
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:33 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 5):
the question remains whether Christopher will maintain the RAR-LAX sector in the future, especially if the best aircraft for the job is not going to remain in the fleet. Even with the the 763 still in the fleet, if say CHC-PER proves to be a hit I could see the frequency increase coming from the RAR-LAX service.

From memory, RAR-LAX is sustained by an agreement / contract with the Cook Islands government. Any idea when does that agreement expires?
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:14 pm

''Air NZ's trans-Pacific flight plans hit bump''

Air New Zealand's trans-Pacific plans for operating Boeing 787 Dreamliners have hit a major problem with an announcement in Washington that rules over how far they can fly from an airport are unlikely to be extended.

As the rule for Extended Twin-engine Operations (ETOPS) now stands, Air New Zealand will not be able to fly its new Dreamliners direct from Auckland to the United States or Canada without a stop or a significant route change.

Under ETOPS, twin-engine planes must always be within 180 minutes' flight of an airport when flying on a single engine in an emergency.

Boeing sold the troubled aircraft on the basis that ETOPS would be changed to 330 minutes.

But today the US Federal Aviation Agency (FAA) chief Michael Huerta told a Senate hearing in Washington that the authority was going to further restrict the ETOPS rule.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...rans-Pacific-flight-plans-hit-bump
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:52 pm

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 7):
But today the US Federal Aviation Agency (FAA) chief Michael Huerta told a Senate hearing in Washington that the authority was going to further restrict the ETOPS rule.

He didn't say that. He just said that it's under review. See the last thread.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:44 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 1):
I think it is great that it will be in place in good time for 1915, the centenary of Gallipolli.

Except for the fact that the number of Kiwis allowed to go to Gallipoli for ANZAC Day has been significantly reduced, it was capped at 2000, whereas the Aussies get 8000 places. So really there won't be that much demand.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:36 pm

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 9):
Except for the fact that the number of Kiwis allowed to go to Gallipoli for ANZAC Day has been significantly reduced, it was capped at 2000, whereas the Aussies get 8000 places. So really there won't be that much demand.

As I tried to explain to Koruman, I am more concerned with the symbolic significance of it. As in:

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:42 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 7):

Be careful of quoting the media direct as they often get- it-wrong!

This article is plainly incorrect. Air New Zealand currently conducts EDTO 180 minute operations on all its current Pacific and Asia routes. In fact EDTO 240 minute operations are about to commence for the 777-300 operation, however looking at the current route structure and expedited cruise winds, do not expect to see EDTO 240 used very often at all.

How anyone can portray EDTO 180 for the 787 as being short term problem for the airline is beyond me........

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Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:52 am

Quoting aotearoa (Reply 11):
In fact EDTO 240 minute operations are about to commence for the 777-300 operation

Air NZ 77W's were approved for ETOPS 240 mins in Dec 2011 and there were Boeing and Air NZ press releases about the first flight LAX-AKL.

The press releases were removed from both websites during 2012. What happenned?

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Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:54 am

Has anyone one else completed the survey currently doing the rounds from Luxon? Curious to know what others think of it
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:53 am

Quoting cchan (Reply 6):
Any idea when does that agreement expires?

I recall it being renegotiated about the same time NZ18 stopped being RAR-PPT-LAX. If it's up for renewal about the same time as the 763s are supposed to go then they may have to offer a great incentive to maintain NZ. I recall last time that there were problems even getting the Cooks to pay what they are paying.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:03 am

Quoting nz2 (Reply 13):

Is that survey for NZ staff or members of the public?
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Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:43 am

Quoting nz2 (Reply 13):
Has anyone one else completed the survey currently doing the rounds from Luxon? Curious to know what others think of it

yup, done it, and gave them my peace  
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Is that survey for NZ staff or members of the public?

For Gold and Gold Elite members

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Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:16 pm

Air NZ are sending a 744 to Phuket 25 to 30 Jun 2013.
25 Jun AKL-HKT 1040/1655
30 Jun HKT-AKL 1845/1045+1
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:45 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 12):

I'm not sure why these were removed. The LAX AKL flight you referred to definitely used EDTO 240, as did the AKL GRU AKL flight.

There were a few final issues to resolve before the airline put EDTO 240 into regular use. One of these was some additional software onboard to help crew monitor for fuel leakage at a supply and engine level. This software is now aboard and the crew have been instructed how to use this.

So use of this new capability will occur on a more regular basis from this point on. However, unless one of the en-route alternates is unavailable for some reason (like weather), it won't be used that often. Also, the Tahitians have a very expensive charging schedule for use of their airspace which ensures Air New Zealand doesn't often plan flights into their airspace, as the cost benefit equation doesn't often stack up.
 
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Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:04 pm

Quoting aotearoa (Reply 18):
as did the AKL GRU AKL flight.

Is there anywhere that this flight plan could be accessed? Since IPC is so critical to this route is the weather predictable enough to be able to stick to a schedule most days? Is IPC a 24/7 airport and also what CAT level are the landing aids if any?
 
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Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:34 pm

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 16):
yup, done it, and gave them my peace

Yes same here. I thought it was almost an acknowledgement of the fact there is some serious issues with the loyalty program and I did use some of the examples Koruman has put forward over the last year or two. Hopefully it will have the effect of swinging the weighting back to actual flying instead of retail purchases. I beleive a good move by Luxon, even giving the direct email of the program head (forget the name) so it appears to be a move to be more engaging with top tier customers
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:17 pm

Air NZ eyes crew cutbacks

They're making a profit but claim that their cost base is 20% higher than other airlines.. And that leads to staff cuts.

Less cabin crew = potential for worse service.. ie 763s will be serviced by 7 people rather than 8.

Not only that but it seems like there's going to be a revival of a second entity, similar to what ZEAL320 was - which seems like it'll cover the 787, 767 and A320 fleets.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:19 pm

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 16):
yup, done it, and gave them my peace

Sorry was that peace or piece?

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 14):
I recall last time that there were problems even getting the Cooks to pay what they are paying.

I may well have a befuddled memory, but I seem to recall the New Zealand Govt. coming to the party in the guise of NZAid, thus enabling the Govt. of The Cooks to recommit to the flight, unlike the Govt. of Samoa when its Tongan counterpart pulled out of their JV.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:53 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 22):
Sorry was that peace or piece?

A debate which surfaces every now and then. The answer is, in fact, peace.

I gave them my $0.02 worth too. The airpoints scheme for me is all about status credits to maintain NZ *G. And as soon as EK/QF return to AKL-LAX, it's all over for me and Air NZ. Had enough of the overpriced fares and progressively less comfortable inflight product. It could well be that the high-density 77W, and ratty little A320s on the Tasman are appropriate for the market as a whole - but sorry, it isn't for me.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:53 pm



My apologies. My earlier post referred to the AKL GRU AKL flight, clearly I need to not try and remember IATA airport codes from memory....I really meant to refer to the AKL EZE AKL flight!

In response to the question on the use of Easter Island, yes it is a critical part of the EDTO operation if one wants to operate anywhere close to the GC route.

Please refer to the two thumbnails above from GC Mapper. One shows EDTO 240 and the other EDTO 330. Clearly the EDTO 330 is the way to go in terms of route flexibility. I'm not sure when ANZ intends to apply for this approval.

Easter Island has some key restrictions, one being apron space. I believe this needs to be 'booked' to cover the extremely remote case of an en-route diversion. It's reasonably served with approach aids; an ILS at one end plus an RNAV approach, VOR and NDB approaches on the other end. I'm unfamiliar with the weather patterns.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:59 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 23):
And as soon as EK/QF return to AKL-LAX

Gosh, hadn't thought of that. EK will soon have RTW capability if they do this.
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Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:44 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 21):

Yea Long haul will be operated by 1 set of crew (777 and 747) while Taspac will be operated by another set (320, 767, 787). Thought it was a bit strange that PVG and NRT and KIX will be classed under Taspac.

Good to hear the gold & gold elite members are having their say, hopefully for the better of the airline

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Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:55 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 21):
Not only that but it seems like there's going to be a revival of a second entity, similar to what ZEAL320 was - which seems like it'll cover the 787, 767 and A320 fleets.

What I got from that article is that the B767 is the only aircraft (at this stage) in the fleet thats having reduced crewing and the A320/B787/B767 have extra slots to fill. I didn't get any message anywhere that the A320/B787 fleet is reducing crew numbers but that they need more crew to cover the extra fleet additions

Maybe the B767 could be moving to a LCC type market?

I feel the Herald article isn't giving the full picture as its conflicting regarding the B763 fleet. If NZ is reducing the 763 crew then why are NZ wanting more 763 crew when there isn't any more 763s coming? Is NZ planning on increasing B763 flying which requires more crew?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:19 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 22):

Sorry was that peace or piece?
Quoting gasman (Reply 23):
A debate which surfaces every now and then. The answer is, in fact, peace.

 


Re the NZ Airpoints programme: When living in Canada I was UA Premier Executive and really liked it. I was contemplating going back, but now hey have the 3 UA sector requirement, which I won;t get. Same with AC (which I also liked). So, unless you are flying a lot more and can afford Miles & More (70K for Gold), or have a specific airline you regulalrly fly on, you are stuck with NZ (Krisflyer is a pretty poor system as well) if you want to stay with Star...

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Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:00 am

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 28):
if you want to stay with Star...

And therin lies the issue. While EK isn't anything like the airline it's cracked up to be, it does have quite a generous loyalty program. If QF or EK start flying AKL-LAX, there really is no need to stay with Star Alliance. I would miss flying on SQ, for sure, but that might be a price I'd be prepared to pay.
 
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Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:21 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 26):
Thought it was a bit strange that PVG and NRT and KIX will be classed under Taspac.

That basically shows you what their intentions are.. That the 763 and 789 will be the plane of choice to these places.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 27):

What I got from that article is that the B767 is the only aircraft (at this stage) in the fleet thats having reduced crewing and the A320/B787/B767 have extra slots to fill.

Reduced crewing in terms of per plane but the whole cohort will need more FAs, especially when the 787 comes onboard. They're probably on the minimum number for the A320 as it stands already and you can't reduce staff on the 787 when you don't even know how many there'll be in the first place..

Quoting gasman (Reply 29):
While EK isn't anything like the airline it's cracked up to be, it does have quite a generous loyalty program.

Depends on what class you fly. It used to be good for Y passengers until they introduced saver fares and chopped the earning rate for the cheaper fares.

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 28):

If you're only wanting *G, A3 is probably the way to go..
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Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:04 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 30):
If you're only wanting *G, A3 is probably the way to go.

definitely - although you can't imagine it'll be long before the rest of the Star network puts pressure on A3 to close this little loophole.
 
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Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:25 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 31):

But in saying that, if you get it now, you've got it for 2 years - they're highly unlikely to revoke membership or that'd cause an exodus. So in essence, it'd take 2 years for the effects of A3's cheapness to come to an end. It's funny because the TK status match slowed down for US residents because people would just use that in order to gain access to the UA lounges.

Though A3 should put a requirement to fly on A3 in order to get *G.. There must be thousands who haven't even been to Europe or used A3 who have A3 Gold.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:54 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 32):
Though A3 should put a requirement to fly on A3 in order to get *G.. There must be thousands who haven't even been to Europe or used A3 who have A3 Gold.

Sure, there are plenty - but if it isn't a problem for A3, then it shouldn't be a problem for Star. Remember by having so many members who have never flown them they have much higher liability..

Quoting gasman (Reply 31):
definitely - although you can't imagine it'll be long before the rest of the Star network puts pressure on A3 to close this little loophole.

The Star Alliance can't do much about it ultimately even if they don't like it - they signed them up knowing this was the case and did not make it a condition of membership to change at the time.. Same as it can't seem to do anything about NZ not offering plus one 20kg bag for *G on a seat only fare or for having an alliance with non Star (read rival alliance) carrier CX despite both contravening what they want from a member.


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if you get it now, you've got it for 2 years

If you qualified today it would be valid 1/2016
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:13 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 33):

Sure, there are plenty - but if it isn't a problem for A3, then it shouldn't be a problem for Star

The point I wanted to get to was the fact that they could make a little bit off these people themselves and maybe even help the Greek economy... But yeah, that's not going to happen, is it!
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:25 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 33):
The Star Alliance can't do much about it ultimately even if they don't like it - they signed them up knowing this was the case and did not make it a condition of membership to change at the time.. Same as it can't seem to do anything about NZ not offering plus one 20kg bag for *G on a seat only fare or for having an alliance with non Star (read rival alliance) carrier CX despite both contravening what they want from a member.

Funnily the most recent Airpoints update had the following regarding Star Gold benefits:

With Star Alliance Gold Status you can enjoy additional comfort and peace of mind in over 1300 airports around the world when travelling on the Star Alliance network, such as:

• Airport Lounge Access - You and a guest can relax in over 1000 airport lounges^.
• Extra Baggage Allowance - Get an additional 20kg where the weight concept applies or an extra bag under the piece concept (available if fare includes a checked bag).

^Lounge access available when travelling on an eligible fare

The Star Alliance website does not have the footnote (it must mean Night Rider fare) nor the fare must include a checked bag exception. While they have forgotten to add that you cannot bring an extra check in baggage on their Business Class flights, you can see how they have got out of the way to lead you to believe their rules are legit in the Star Alliance marketing format. UA, US domestic flights in Economy do not include any bags but Star Gold gets 3 bags for free. Virgin Australia being a non aligned carrier even does better NZ and gives free bags to NZ elites within Australia. I am really puzzled as to how they can just change the wording of the alliance rules and repeatedly getting away with it.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:46 am

A few things that have got me thinking...

Air New Zealand's next Airbus A320 has been assigned a serial number! The aircraft will apparently be ZK-OJT and will have the serial number 5629. The most recent A32X to be delivered is MSN 5581. This means there are 45 more A32Xs to build/delivered until ZK-OJT. Based on the production rate of 42 A32Xs per month, we can assume ZK-OJT will begin her delivery flight somewhere close to the 22nd/23rd of May. Because the aircraft has apparently been assigned a ZK-OJ* registration, I assume that it won't have sharklets (the ZK-OX* aircraft are the ones getting them). Is this correct?

Also does anyone know the plans for ZK-NGE? Is she going to be scrapped or returned to her lessor?

The next season of Air Crash Investigation will feature XL Airways Germany Flight 888T (the crash of ZK-OJL) and Air New Zealand Flight 901.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 27):
why are NZ wanting more 763 crew when there isn't any more 763s coming?

Too many 767 pilots were 'upgraded' to the 777s which turned out to be premature due to 787 delays. This is my understanding anyway.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:52 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 23):
Had enough of the overpriced fares and progressively less comfortable inflight product.

It took 55 years, but I gave up on them last year. If you buy a flight with a N. American connection from NZ, you'll pay more than double for the connection than you would purchasing a separate ticket. I think NZ is in Commerce Commission territory for some of its gouging practices.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:47 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 21):
They're making a profit but claim that their cost base is 20% higher than other airlines.. And that leads to staff cuts.

Good. Glad to see they're going to address their cost base.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:07 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 36):
Air New Zealand's next Airbus A320 has been assigned a serial number! The aircraft will apparently be ZK-OJT and will have the serial number 5629. The most recent A32X to be delivered is MSN 5581. This means there are 45 more A32Xs to build/delivered until ZK-OJT. Based on the production rate of 42 A32Xs per month, we can assume ZK-OJT will begin her delivery flight somewhere close to the 22nd/23rd of May. Because the aircraft has apparently been assigned a ZK-OJ* registration, I assume that it won't have sharklets (the ZK-OX* aircraft are the ones getting them). Is this correct?

Correct, ZK-OJT will not have sharklets.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:56 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 36):
Air New Zealand's next Airbus A320 has been assigned a serial number! The aircraft will apparently be ZK-OJT and will have the serial number 5629.

Planespotters has ZK-OJT while ATDB has ZK-OXA. E-mailed planespotters two days ago but no reply so far.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 36):
Also does anyone know the plans for ZK-NGE? Is she going to be scrapped or returned to her lessor?

Possibly both. NGE had a test flight on 15 April and an 11 April photo has the Koru painted over and no titles.

http://mrcaviation.blogspot.co.nz/2013/04/export-pending.html

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:34 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 39):
Correct, ZK-OJT will not have sharklets.

  That is unfortunate. I was rather hoping that I was wrong.

Quoting PA515 (Reply 40):
Planespotters has ZK-OJT while ATDB has ZK-OXA. E-mailed planespotters two days ago but no reply so far.

NZ1's most recent post on fleet deliveries has -OXA due to being delivered in June. However, the following article indicates that the delivery of one aircraft has been brought forward. Maybe the price of having the earlier delivery slot is having to forfeit sharklets, thus it would then make sense to register the aircraft ZK-OJT as it is identical to the other domestic, non-sharkletted A320s (ZK-OAB, ZK-OJQ, ZK-OJR and ZK-OJS).

Alternatively (not to discount what KarelXWB says, but I love thinking in the hypothetical); maybe the next A320 is ZK-OXA but there is a couple of weeks worth of post delivery work for ANZES to do before the aircraft enters service in June.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10856919

Quoting PA515 (Reply 40):
Possibly both. NGE had a test flight on 15 April and an 11 April photo has the Koru painted over and no titles.

Oops, notsure how I missed that blog post.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:03 pm

I also took a look in the ATDB, it says:

- MSN5629: ZK-OXA, 06/13
- MSN5682: ZK-???, 07/13
- MSN5847: ZK-???, 11/13

All with sharklets.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:06 pm

I believe there was some discussion around ZK-OAB being re-registered with an OJ series tail number. Maybe this is OJT? However this doesn't make much sense as the logical rego would be ZK-OJP..........

I can assure you all that the next delivery from Airbus is a sharklet A320, ZK-OXA for the domestic operation.The airline will not take any more A320s without sharklets. This a/c is due in NZ late June. It is already on the final assembly line in TLS.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:19 pm

Thanks, case solved. Planespotters is having it wrong.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:32 pm

Just took a look at Planespotters. It's a simple case of the wrong rego for MSN 5629. This frame is ZK-OXA, the sharklet equipped domestic aircraft.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:13 pm

Quoting aotearoa (Reply 44):
The airline will not take any more A320s without sharklets.

Makes me wonder if they still offer the original wingtip for sale.. But can't wait to see the sharkletted A320 and also what livery it will carry! Or would they paint it black if they're still unsure? It'd look superb with black sharklets.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:13 am

Also, ZK-MVC is due to be delivered anytime soon. I'm going to search around for some photos of in in Toulouse. It should be out of the factory by now. Planespotters.net has its MSN as 1084.

Quoting aotearoa (Reply 44):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 45):

Thanks for solving this.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 47):
Makes me wonder if they still offer the original wingtip for sale.

Well, like with blended winglets on the 737, the benefits of sharklets depend on many factors (mainly the distance of the flight). If an airline primarily does lots of really short-haul flying, the benefits from the reduced fuel burn are negated by their additional weight ( that of the extra wing strengthening required). Looking at the 737 line however, every 737 delivered by Boeing this year has had Blended Winglets installed (exception being the P-8 Poseidons which have raked wingtips). This was the first year where this has been the case, despite the Blended Winglets being avaliable for more than 10 years. I suppose we can expect the same will be happening with the A320s in a few years time (not in the least because sharklets are standard equipment on the NEO).

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:30 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 48):
Well, like with blended winglets on the 737, the benefits of sharklets depend on many factors (mainly the distance of the flight). If an airline primarily does lots of really short-haul flying, the benefits from the reduced fuel burn are negated by their additional weight ( that of the extra wing strengthening required)

I suppose so.. Though it can't be that significant, surely? Especially seeing that the sharklets are smaller than the blended winglets too- thus probably needing less strengthening etc. And also the fact that NZ are going to put the sharkletted ones on domestic routes instead of reconfiguring the international fleet for domestic use..
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 126

Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:51 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 27):
I feel the Herald article isn't giving the full picture as its conflicting regarding the B763 fleet. If NZ is reducing the 763 crew then why are NZ wanting more 763 crew when there isn't any more 763s coming? Is NZ planning on increasing B763 flying which requires more crew?

It's just a change of whose doing the flying. The change relates to cabin crew with the aircraft to be crewed by Taspac (A320 international Flight Attendants). The 767 is being added to the Taspac operation, the 777/747 will continue to be operated by current long haul flight attendants. Bit of shuffling going on but the number of cabin crew across the entire Air New Zealand group will remain fairly similar, there are just changes to what people are operating what aircraft and on what contract.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 36):
Too many 767 pilots were 'upgraded' to the 777s which turned out to be premature due to 787 delays. This is my understanding anyway.

Not true. Tech crew have nothing to do with the changes above. Various internal movement but that's always the case with a seniority based system. I do not believe there is an excess of crew in any rank on any fleet at the moment.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 36):
Also does anyone know the plans for ZK-NGE? Is she going to be scrapped or returned to her lessor?

Owned by Air New Zealand so they control the destiny. Not sure of what's happening with this frame though.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 48):
Also, ZK-MVC is due to be delivered anytime soon.

Delays during production. In service mid to late May now.

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