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Logo Question Boac Boeing 707

Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:28 pm

Hi, I looked at the pictures of the 1960's 2 x BOAC Boeing 707 and 2 x Comet 4's shown in:
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Looking carefully at the logo letters, is there a missing "." on the aircraft most closest to the camera, which is different than the others ? Was there a ".", or were those window cutouts ?
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RE: Logo Question Boac Boeing 707

Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:31 pm

Quoting boacvc10 (Thread starter):
Looking carefully at the logo letters, is there a missing "." on the aircraft most closest to the camera, which is different than the others ? Was there a ".", or were those window cutouts ?

A dot is indeed missing.
 
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RE: Logo Question Boac Boeing 707

Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:33 pm

Quoting boacvc10 (Thread starter):
Looking carefully at the logo letters, is there a missing "." on the aircraft most closest to the camera, which is different than the others ?

Looks like it's missing.
 
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RE: Logo Question Boac Boeing 707

Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:36 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 1):
A dot is indeed missing.

There wasn't enough paint left over once "Boeing 707" was painted on the fuselage, omitted on the plane with a dot.  
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RE: Logo Question Boac Boeing 707

Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:42 pm

Considering the date of the photo, the painters probably walked off the job on a wildcat strike before they'd finished. British labour relations in those days were very contentious, with frequent strikes and disruptions. :

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RE: Logo Question Boac Boeing 707

Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:04 pm

Thanks for posting this pic....always love to see the B707s back in the day.....

Small question.....what are those trucks with the strange tilted ramps next to the driver, in the foreground of the pic? What were they used for?
 
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RE: Logo Question Boac Boeing 707

Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:08 pm

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 5):
Small question.....what are those trucks with the strange tilted ramps next to the driver, in the foreground of the pic? What were they used for?

They look like baggage loaders that were converted from box vans versus being new purpose built vehicles.
 
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RE: Logo Question Boac Boeing 707

Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:05 pm

Could it be that BOAC used a slow dissolving water soluble paint for the dots , one dot disappears, time to schedule aircraft washing, two disappear, wash now! similar process to that other European airline that schedules washing when the exterior matches the tarmac.      
 
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RE: Logo Question Boac Boeing 707

Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:54 pm

Quoting boacvc10 (Thread starter):
2 x BOAC Boeing 707 and 2 x Comet 4's

I missed an additional aircraft ! Is that a third Comet 4 in the far background? I've never actually seen so many of these in one photo, ever.

also, was the bottom fin (of the tail section, B707) used as an anti-skid device? It's been decades since I travelled on a B707. What other purpose could it be? Need to visit the exhibit at NASM Udvar-Hazy to check it out.
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RE: Logo Question Boac Boeing 707

Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:00 pm

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 5):
Small question.....what are those trucks with the strange tilted ramps next to the driver, in the foreground of the pic? What were they used for?

It looks like they are baggage loaders that actually brought the luggage from the terminal building, then parked under the aircraft and the baggage was loaded directly from the inside of the truck? That would seem like a clever way to do this actually!

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RE: Logo Question Boac Boeing 707

Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:22 pm

Also there is no BOEING 707 painted on the second plane.
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RE: Logo Question Boac Boeing 707

Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:26 pm

What a great photo!
Just imagine- these aircraft could fly today nearly unoticed by the general public with all the modern jets, nothing has changed much in design, speed, appearance - and we are talking 50 years!! 1964 happens to be my DOB.
The 720 and succsessors were so advanced in their days that some even fly today. Imagine that compared to car design.
Any 1964 car would stick out like a sore thumb. Not so the 707. Nearly everything is just the same today- dihedral, wing-sweep, size, performance (range,speed), OK engines have changed a bit- but otherwise?
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RE: Logo Question Boac Boeing 707

Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:47 pm

Quoting peterjohns (Reply 11):
Just imagine- these aircraft could fly today nearly unoticed by the general public with all the modern jets, nothing has changed much in design, speed, appearance -

I agree that on appearances these could fly unnoticed, but the general public would definitively notice their noisiness and their black trails, either on approach or on take off. With all the high bypass engines we have today, even a MD-80 has become very noisy so imagine these old Rolls-Royce.
 
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RE: Logo Question Boac Boeing 707

Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:51 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 9):
Quoting gr8circle (Reply 5):
Small question.....what are those trucks with the strange tilted ramps next to the driver, in the foreground of the pic? What were they used for?

It looks like they are baggage loaders that actually brought the luggage from the terminal building, then parked under the aircraft and the baggage was loaded directly from the inside of the truck? That would seem like a clever way to do this actually!

I was thinking they were early commissary trucks before they had lift trucks. The thing I noticed on these trucks is that they are in England and the driver's seat is on the LEFT side.
 
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RE: Logo Question Boac Boeing 707

Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:14 pm

Quoting boacvc10 (Reply 8):
also, was the bottom fin (of the tail section, B707) used as an anti-skid device? It's been decades since I travelled on a B707. What other purpose could it be? Need to visit the exhibit at NASM Udvar-Hazy to check it out.

The ventral fin was a certification requirement imposed by the British airworthiness authorities before the 707-436s could come onto the G- register. It was subsequently taken up by the FAA and applied to early (PanAm, TWA, etc) 707-320s.

The first 'Intercontinental' 707s - like the earlier '100 series, the short-lived '200s and the 720 - had shorter vertical tail fins on entry into service. Britain's ARB was concerned about directional control issues with an engine out, and wanted some more fin area down aft.

IIRC the ventral fin on the underside and the extension (with the trademark probe antenna) at the top was Boeing's response, so keen were they to get sales in the UK.

As it turned out, the taller fin proved adequate for engine-out directional control, and the ventral fin ceased to appear on the turbofan-engined 707-320Bs and 'Cs. Only the RR Conway-powered '400s kept the ventral fin for the few dozens in total produced.
 
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RE: Logo Question Boac Boeing 707

Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:31 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 12):
I agree that on appearances these could fly unnoticed, but the general public would definitively notice their noisiness and their black trails, either on approach or on take off. With all the high bypass engines we have today, even a MD-80 has become very noisy so imagine these old Rolls-Royce.

BOAC used to fly the Rolls Royce 707 into ORD just before the 747 arrived. Those things absolutely screamed on take off.
Much much louder than a DC8 or 707. They sounded about as loud as an unmuffled BAC 111 or Gulfstream. You knew one was takeing off near by just by the sound of it. But in the last BOAC livery and the impressive take off they were a thing of beauty to watch. Now the VC10 while loud, was not as loud as the 707's were.
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RE: Logo Question Boac Boeing 707

Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:13 pm

Where IS that photo taken in relation to LHR today. It says T2 but didn't the Oceanic Terminal become T3? I think the steeple is South of what's now the 09L threshold but the gas tank isn't there nowadays.
 
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RE: Logo Question Boac Boeing 707

Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:16 pm

Quoting B707MT (Reply 14):
As it turned out, the taller fin proved adequate for engine-out directional control, and the ventral fin ceased to appear on the turbofan-engined 707-320Bs and 'Cs.

If memory correct only the Advanced 707-320Bs lack the ventral fin due to various changes in the wing and flaps that permitted the ventral fin to be deleted. Early-model non-advanced -320Bs have it.

No -320Cs have the ventral fin as they all have the various design changes of the Advanced -320B.

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