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Southwest: Changes at ATL and 3 other stations

Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:36 am

Saw on the TWU 555 Facebook page that WN is closing provisioning at 3 stations (ELP, SLC, & PHL) and also told 300 AirTran employees in ATL that they would have to transfer to other stations or leave the company. It's a sad day for Southwest Airlines and I wish the best for the employees and families affected by these decisions.

http://twu555.org/LEBStaff/CharlesCerf/tabid/643/Default.aspx
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:47 am

It sounds like the ATL employees are offered other positions, and the others have options, too. Yes, it sucks for the employees, but not sure why this translates into WN having "changed".
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:54 am

PHL isnt large enough to have provo anymore, ELP will likely see major service reductions next year due to wright amend going away. The suprising one really is SLC as it hasnt seen any changes really, but perhaps Southwest just wanted to bite the bullet on them all at the same time. It should be noticed that while the employees may be displaced, they have options to stay employeed. As for ATL, it was greatly overstaffed for the size of the operation to begin with, even if it had kept the same number of flights something had to give there. Though these represent tough choices for the individuals involved for sure, they ALL have options to keep there jobs at WN.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:31 am

Rumor is that HOU, LAS and BWI will gain xtra staffing in there PROVO departments.
And FLL will be ADDED as a New PROVO city.
Ya it sucks for the 3 cities to lose their FULL PROVO departments but ALL three were a waste of man power for sometime now.
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:59 am

WN suffers from increasingly uncompetitive high costs.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:43 pm

Quoting mcofreak (Thread starter):
Saw on the TWU 555 Facebook page that WN is closing provisioning at 3 stations (ELP, SLC, & PHL) and also told 300 AirTran employees in ATL that they would have to transfer to other stations or leave the company. It's a sad day for Southwest Airlines and I wish the best for the employees and families affected by these decisions.

We know ELP/PHL are shrinking in operations. It would not be surprising to see ATL/SLC going the same way in the future, particularly since both are Delta hubs.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:21 pm

Two questions from the uniformed:

1) "Provisioning" or "provisioning station" or "PROVO dept": what does that mean?

2) Why would ELP see major service reductions next year due specifically to the Wright Amendment?

I also agree with jreuschl in that I don't see how this represents SW having "changed".
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:35 pm

Quoting BAC111 (Reply 6):
1) "Provisioning" or "provisioning station" or "PROVO dept": what does that mean?

Provisioning is the department responsible for restocking the galleys before each flight. Think "catering" trucks.

Quoting BAC111 (Reply 6):
2) Why would ELP see major service reductions next year due specifically to the Wright Amendment?

Eliminate the Wright Amendment and the requirement for traffic to stop at least once, you eliminate much of the traffic to cities such as ELP that have served as stopping points to and from DAL.

Quoting BAC111 (Reply 6):
I also agree with jreuschl in that I don't see how this represents SW having "changed".

The topic of discussion isn't necessarilty a representation of change at WN, but WN has in fact changed in so many ways.
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:37 pm

Provisioning (Provo) = Catering

SLC and ELP only offer service to other provo cities now and PHL's service levels are down to the point that its not needed there. ABQ can't be far behind in losing its provo base as well. FLL should have it.
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:44 pm

Quoting mcofreak (Thread starter):
Saw on the TWU 555 Facebook page that WN is closing provisioning at 3 stations (ELP, SLC, & PHL) and also told 300 AirTran employees in ATL that they would have to transfer to other stations or leave the company. It's a sad day for Southwest Airlines and I wish the best for the employees and families affected by these decisions.

As far as I know, everyone is being offered a transfer to another location or a separation package if they choose. The ATL labor downsizing also includes WN employees wanting to move as well.

Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
We know ELP/PHL are shrinking in operations. It would not be surprising to see ATL/SLC going the same way in the future, particularly since both are Delta hubs.

To be fair, ELP/PHL were never anywhere near in the neighborhood the size of SLC or ATL. I'll refer you to the press release and comments made today by Kelly...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/southw...ports-first-quarter-102500590.html

Atlanta's schedule is getting redone in November (read "dehubbed") but the number of flights will remain the same. So ATL isn't going anywhere for now, regardless of how bad you keep wishing for it.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:45 pm

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 7):
Eliminate the Wright Amendment and the requirement for traffic to stop at least once, you eliminate much of the traffic to cities such as ELP that have served as stopping points to and from DAL.

It isn't just ELP.

Any city expect for AUS, SAT and HOU might see significant reductions from Love Field due to the removal of the Wright Amendment. Id wager that DAL-OKC might be cut altogether with TUL dropping to 3. STL and MCI will get cut by 50% from DAL.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:56 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 10):
Any city expect for AUS, SAT and HOU might see significant reductions from Love Field due to the removal of the Wright Amendment. Id wager that DAL-OKC might be cut altogether with TUL dropping to 3. STL and MCI will get cut by 50% from DAL.

I doubt you'll see DAL-OKC cut altogether. It could definitely be scaled back some, but the route also serves an important purpose for the company's staffing as well. Tons of commuters on that route for Dallas-based crews who live in OKC and not to mention that OKC itself has somewhere in the neighborhood of 800 or so employees. The addition of more DAL nonstop destinations will also improve the ability to move additional through there, versus sending them to DEN or STL.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:19 pm

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 11):

They make scheduling decisions based on commuting employees? Really? Expensive bennie.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:50 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 4):
WN suffers from increasingly uncompetitive high costs.

Due to the fact that the rest have lowered their costs due to BK.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:16 pm

PHL flights all go to Florida or other provo bases. FLL as a provo station has been needed for some time. We have many flights out of FLL that go to non-provo cities, i.e. ISP, BDL, ALB, PVD, BUF etc. that sometimes go on to other non provo stations which makes serving our customers a challenge to say the least!
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:20 pm

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 12):
They make scheduling decisions based on commuting employees? Really? Expensive bennie.

No, schedules are built on revenue not non-revenue. It may be a fact that there's lots of commuters, but they'll keep the route because we can make money on it. It will for sure be reduced, just like TUL, LBB, AMA, LIT, MCI, MAF, and ELP, because of the Wright Amendment ending Oct '14.
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:51 pm

Quoting luvfa (Reply 14):
We have many flights out of FLL that go to non-provo cities, i.e. ISP,

ISP is not a full provo station, however we do have a truck and we do take care of the trash, and restock the galley. Trust me I've done it a few times  
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Southwest: Changes at ATL and 3 other stations

Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:20 pm

Quoting luvfa (Reply 14):
. FLL as a provo station has been needed for some time. We have many flights out of FLL that go to non-provo cities, i.e. ISP, BDL, ALB, PVD, BUF etc. that sometimes go on to other non provo stations which makes serving our customers a challenge to say the least!

Quite dramatic... FLL as well as some of the stations you listed above have trucks... you just have to ask for what you need.
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:23 pm

In the earnings call Kelly said "we are building systems so that in 3 years we have the ability to charge bag fees (res system replacement) if the customer wants that in 3 years, but our studies show that they don't now."

That seems like they are basically saying after the merger is complete that they will, at a minimum, re-evaluate bag fees and one could argue that they are leaning that way if they are investing money in the systems to do it. Also an analyst essentially brought up the speculation on the a.net "NK IT Guy Hired by WN" a.net thread as evidence of moew fees coming which Kelly mostly denied. LOL
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:30 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
In the earnings call Kelly said "we are building systems so that in 3 years we have the ability to charge bag fees (res system replacement) if the customer wants that in 3 years, but our studies show that they don't now."

That's a pretty butchered quote. He didn't narrow it to just bag fees, so please quote appropriately. He also specifically stated, which you point out, that Southwest would take a negative revenue hit of $1 billion if they did bag fees today. It is hard to say where the industry, and specifically Southwest's customer base goes in a few years down the road.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:31 pm

It's hard to project what the market will look like in 3 years. Being proactive and having an IT system capable of adding bag fees is a no brainer, should the market warrant such a change in 3 years time. WN is already investing in new IT systems, why not also make it capable of adding additional revenue streams even if they choose not to institute bag fees? It doesn't necessarily suggest that it WILL occur. It *could*.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:37 pm

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 21):
That's a pretty butchered quote. He didn't narrow it to just bag fees, so please quote appropriately.

I'm not a stenographer.

Here's another butchered quote:

"Analyst: "Will you be giving back gates?"

Kelly: "ATL's costs are low and 737s take up more space than 717s. We are always looking at ways to reduce costs, but we have no plans to talk to the airport about giving up space at this time".

He also said earlier that they would have 10+ fewer simultaneous gates in use earlier. The way he answered that and again that is not a perfect quote, but it implied to me that they could be talking to Delta rather than the airport about gates.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:40 pm

Quoting airplaneboy (Reply 22):

It's hard to project what the market will look like in 3 years. Being proactive and having an IT system capable of adding bag fees is a no brainer, should the market warrant such a change in 3 years time. WN is already investing in new IT systems, why not also make it capable of adding additional revenue streams even if they choose not to institute bag fees? It doesn't necessarily suggest that it WILL occur. It *could*.

As I said, he pretty clearly said that in 3 years (when the merger is done and they have Amadeus) they will re-evalute bag fees and that they plan to have the ability to implement bag fees (which he basically says they do not presently have). That is a strong intimation that bag fees are coming, but it definitely does not guarantee it.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:48 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 23):
He also said earlier that they would have 10+ fewer simultaneous gates in use earlier. The way he answered that and again that is not a perfect quote, but it implied to me that they could be talking to Delta rather than the airport about gates.

We know that WN will lose gates without losing real estate since they fly larger airplanes than FL. My guess is that they are still pondering the 73G/738 gate mix. I'm sure that--like at every other station--they will have some gates that can fit the 738 and others that cannot.
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:48 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
As I said, he pretty clearly said that in 3 years (when the merger is done and they have Amadeus) they will re-evalute bag fees and that they plan to have the ability to implement bag fees (which he basically says they do not presently have). That is a strong intimation that bag fees are coming, but it definitely does not guarantee it.

I think you are reading too much into it based on your previous position of wanting to be right on this subject. They were pretty clear. If the WN customer base wants bags broken out and moved to an a la carte situation, they need to be able to make the change. He gave no indication, you are reading into it that there is, that it is something they want to do.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:55 pm

It does suck to see what's going on at WN. But now they're feeling
the effects that the other legacy carriers felt with the exception
of going into bankruptcy.

I wouldn't suprise me that the senior employees who can't except a transfer
will be given an early out package.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:58 pm

Some more points from Q&A

FL in ATL before WN purchase was 60% connection, today down to 52%. Expecting south of 40%.

Local O&D market share has jumped 8 points.

ATL will look very similar to MDW.

Southwest.com sells more tickets than AirTran.com.

ATL-MCI 8AM, Noon, and 6PM(?) with the new schedule. Showing how the schedule will be improved for O&D and they expect significant gains with the new ATL schedule.

[Edited 2013-04-25 10:59:35]
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:03 pm

Quoting mia305 (Reply 28):

It does suck to see what's going on at WN. But now they're feeling
the effects that the other legacy carriers felt with the exception
of going into bankruptcy.

I wouldn't suprise me that the senior employees who can't except a transfer
will be given an early out package.

This seems to be about the ATL reorganization. With the new schedule they'll see around 20 aircraft on the ground at once versus 30. All this without reducing flight totals (yet). This shows how inefficient the ATL operation has been compared to the rest of the WN network. Rationalizing this is only going to be a good thing.

We'll probably see more communicated out through the company and the local union on what's being offered. I wouldn't be shocked that severance packages will be offered to those that don't take a transfer. These aren't "early out" packages as though tend to be more like buyouts and such. The transfer options and such are being offered to WN employees in ATL as well, so it very well could be some WN emps leave and open up slots for FL emps to move into.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:26 pm

Southwest have also announced today that they are going to start charging no-show fees on Wanna Get Away and Ding fares for travel booked after May 10 and traveling after September 13th.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:36 pm

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 31):

Southwest have also announced today that they are going to start charging no-show fees on Wanna Get Away and Ding fares for travel booked after May 10 and traveling after September 13th.

No they aren't. Please reread what is out there. If you don't show up for flight, and don't cancel ahead of time, you forfeit the travel fund that would normally be created. You aren't being charged a fee on top of what you already paid, which is what a "no show fee" implies. You are giving up the funds with that ticket because you didn't call ahead.

This will likely change some behavioral changes with some pax, but I completely agree with this change. The company should be able to resell that seat. Sitting on that seat and then just not using it costs the company money. Call ahead to cancel the ticket and you still get the travel fun as normal. If you have WGA on the outbound, but Biz Select on the return, and you no show for the outbound flight you lose it all and the return is cancelled. However, if you have Biz Select on the outbound, but WGA on the return, and no show for the outbound you keep all the funds.
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:31 pm

Quoting BAC111 (Reply 6):
Two questions from the uniformed:

Even some of us who don't wear uniforms had the same questions!    
 
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Southwest: Changes at ATL and 3 other stations

Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:34 pm

Quoting mcofreak (Thread starter):
http://twu555.org/LEBStaff/CharlesCerf/tabid/643/Default.aspx

It says that the 300 employess in atl are represented by IAM so wouldn't that be all customer service employees?
 
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:58 pm

Quoting irish (Reply 36):
It says that the 300 employess in atl are represented by IAM so wouldn't that be all customer service employees?

IN ATL both ramp and customer service FL employees are represented by iam. swa ramp/ops/provo are TWU
 
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Southwest: Changes at ATL and 3 other stations

Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:19 am

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 29):

Local is up and connect is down because the dumped the high connect markets of BMI, MLI, PHF. It will fall further now that CLT and FNT are gone.
 
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RE: Southwest: Changes At ATL And 3 Other Stations

Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:21 am

Well, it looks like WN will keep BNA as their "hub" in the southeast. The one thing that I would like to see as Wright comes off the books is how this impacts DEN. Will WN transition some of the connecting trans-con flights from DEN to DAL, or will they just add flights to DAL?
 
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RE: Southwest: Changes At ATL And 3 Other Stations

Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:42 am

Quoting F9fan (Reply 34):

No nothing will transfer from DEN to DAL. Growth at DAL is very limited, WN has invested a lot on DEN. Wan won't simply add flights at DAL, you'll see a change in the frequencies to current cities served from DAL.
 
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RE: Southwest: Changes At ATL And 3 Other Stations

Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:56 am

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 27):
This seems to be about the ATL reorganization. With the new schedule they'll see around 20 aircraft on the ground at once versus 30.

Wouldn't this be due to them going from a banked (HUB) type flight schedule (ala AirTran), to a more continuous flowing throughout the day schedule like many of their other "focus cities".

I have really used SWA to ATL this year, it seems to me that most of the AirTran gates are empty a good part of the day, with the exception of the schedule bank times. However, I must say, it has been my perception that they do have an overcapacity of gates during a good part of the day. I've not been there in the early monring, so I have not seen how it looks with all the RON aircraft. I will have this fun next week.

I really welcome SWA in ATL and wish them the best. They have become a great alternative. Of course, I am from MDW and live in DAL, so I could be biased.

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