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Aircraft Cannibalization In India | Heartbreaking

Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:36 pm

The last two years have been very sad for Indian Aviation due to a certain airline going bust, but not only did it loose money, it completely dismembered alot of its fleet (which btw, did not belong to them).

This is a 6 year old aircraft, but looks like it is ready for the scrapyard.

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Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:47 pm

Very sad. Owner must be upset to say the least. Hope things turn around for you guys over in India. Wish you all the best!
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:06 pm

Sad, a six year old A320?
I think what Kingfisher did to those planes that dont belong to them is a criminal act or close to it. A few years back I flew on a Kingfisher A320, in good shape, and it was the most comfortable domestic plane I was on in India, ahead of Indigo, Go Air, Jetconnect, AI and Spicejet...
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Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:15 pm

Even aircraft that can fly away from India head to the scrappers---for example Jet Connect sent two 737-700's to the scrap yard yesterday----I simply cannot understand why any lessor would do business in India
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:56 pm

Ex-Kingfisher A320 msn 2531 (formerly VT-KFF) arrived at Dublin today from Istanbul. It is now registered EI-EYA.
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:06 pm

It looks like the A/C in the pictures is an A321 and not an A320..
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Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:21 pm

Quoting irish251 (Reply 4):
Ex-Kingfisher A320 msn 2531 (formerly VT-KFF) arrived at Dublin today from Istanbul. It is now registered EI-EYA.

Actually this turns out to be an A319 msn 2621. It is ex-VT-KFH.
 
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Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:31 pm

Quoting irish251 (Reply 4):

Any idea who it's going to? Or is it being scrapped?
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Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:08 pm

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 7):
Any idea who it's going to? Or is it being scrapped?

Further storage for now but I doubt there are any plans to scrap it.

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Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:22 am

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 5):

It looks like the A/C in the pictures is an A321 and not an A320..

I agree. In the pic of the empty fuselage, there is a door there in between windows. A319's and A320's have window exits. The A321 is the only one equipped with 4 actual doors.
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:11 am

Quoting n471wn (Reply 3):

Is the aircraft not the property of the leasing company? How can an aircraft be cannibalized like the one above without any repercussions from the leasing company? When you lease a car, you are required to bring it back with no damage or you must pay the cost to fix said damages. In this case, the plane cannot be repaired and it's original value must be reclaimed by the leasing company.
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:19 am

Don't leasing companies have better monitoring of their leased aircraft ? It can't be that difficult to do so and it would be in their best interest to do so, to prevent a major devaluation of their property.
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:51 am

Quoting jagflyer (Reply 10):
In this case, the plane cannot be repaired and it's original value must be reclaimed by the leasing company.

Reclaimed from whom? The company operating the aircraft is no longer in business. The original promoters of the company either have no money to or do not want to pay up. The authorities of the airport where the plane is parked won't release it unless they reclaim their landing and parking charges, which, as mentioned above, won't materialize from the former operators. The leasing company which wants to repossess the airplane will have to pay up not only to make the aircraft airworthy again, but also has to clear all the dues that the former operator has run up. In most cases, it is cheaper to buy a new airplane.


This is not the first time such an incident is happening in India. There are many such abandoned aircraft in a number of Indian airports. People doing business with operators who do not have a good background in the sector, need to be extra careful. The scumbag who owned Kingfisher is known to be a shady and flamboyant character who has not only run his company into the ground, but also defrauded his lessors, kept his own employees his near-slave like condition for months and used his political clout to extract untold millions from Indian state owned banks (and he isn't paying them back too). And he is still a free man.

The Kingfisher saga is the worst example of crony capitalism that one can ever encounter.
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:38 am

Even though im not a big fan of airbus planes, its really sad to see these images, especially that of a 6 year old aircraft. I actually cant believe they would do something like this (not only the aircraft, but they way the airline was run into the ground), but I guess that's what happens when greedy people run the show...
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:12 am

I don't want to be rude but who want that aircraft? I mean look at the photos ... the interiors, especially the cockpit looks very dirty (lot of dust or sand) and worn, and thats not only by the process of parting-out I guess. The age of an aircraft is irrrelevant if it's in bad condition.

The 777s which Air India want to get rid off comes in my mind. If the aircraft are in similar condition, no wonder that nobody wants them.
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:10 am

I'm pretty sure the lessor will have an insurance covering that kind of scenario, especially if they're doing business in India or such places.

Still, there will be a long legal battle and it's anybody's guess how that goes...
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:28 am

Quoting na (Reply 2):
Well, Vijay Mallya seems to be fine off still, he arrived in his red Bentley and was proudly sitting next table when I was at a restaurant opening in Goa last weekend.

Shameless character, and an example of how political connections and corruption protect the rich and the criminal much more in India than in other countries.
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:10 pm

It is obvious that someone is living in the cargo bay. Where was airport security?

Actually, the airplane is not in that bad of shape. The leasors can come in, replace the missing instruments and parts, clean it up and fly it out for a complete D check and overhaul. Just depends on if they want to spend the money or take the insurance money and write it off.
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:22 pm

Whats the condition of the outside like on those grounded Kingfisher aircraft?
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:23 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 15):

I'm pretty sure the lessor will have an insurance covering that kind of scenario, especially if they're doing business in India or such places.

True, but things may get to the point where an insurer may not want to underwrite an aircraft leased to an Indian lessor.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 17):

It is obvious that someone is living in the cargo bay. Where was airport security?

I was wondering about that myself. At least the frames in Dublin will be subjected to cleaner air and fewer vagrants.

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Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:30 pm

It was most like security assigned to guard the aircraft who set up a bunk arrangement inside, likely to handle their duty in rotating shifts.
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:17 pm

Never mind the stripping of parts....that aircraft looks like it never saw a moment of basic cleaning or any form of mechanical upkeep. Shameful, and perhaps if that is how companies in a given area operate, then perhaps the leasing companies should take their business to someplace less risky. Let the airlines there shell out some bucks for a plane sitting unused in the desert...then they can destroy it on their own dime.
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:29 pm

Quoting na (Reply 2):
ahead of Indigo, Go Air, Jetconnect, AI and Spicejet...

Therein lies the problem. India has massive excess capacity in its airlines. I read a story about a near miss between a KingFisher A320 and JetAirways 738. Both planes were carry a TOTAL of 87 passengers.
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:30 pm

Such a shame that Kingfisher had a criminal at the helm, a few years ago i flew LHR - Mumbai - Bangkok on A330 and A319. There were very comfy, with exceptional cabin crew in my opinion.
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:40 pm

Does anybody know what is the story of he A330's sitting in Zurich for the past few months ?
 
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RE: Aircraft Cannibalization In India | Heartbreaking

Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:49 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 3):

Even aircraft that can fly away from India head to the scrappers---for example Jet Connect sent two 737-700's to the scrap yard yesterday----I simply cannot understand why any lessor would do business in India

These birds are young and still have a high residual value, they will not be scrapped.

Quoting jagflyer (Reply 10):
Is the aircraft not the property of the leasing company? How can an aircraft be cannibalized like the one above without any repercussions from the leasing company?

Put simply, yes it is and an aircraft cannot be legally cannibalized.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 11):
Don't leasing companies have better monitoring of their leased aircraft ? It can't be that difficult to do so and it would be in their best interest to do so, to prevent a major devaluation of their property.

Monitoring an aircraft which is flying thousands of miles from the lessor is difficult, at best, it can be examined every few months, it takes just days to cannibalize an aircraft.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 17):
It is obvious that someone is living in the cargo bay. Where was airport security?
Quoting sankaps (Reply 20):
It was most like security assigned to guard the aircraft who set up a bunk arrangement inside, likely to handle their duty in rotating shifts.

No, those are sand bags, as the aircraft had no engines, they were placed to keep the centre of gravity towards the centre of the aircraft.

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 23):
Such a shame that Kingfisher had a criminal at the helm, a few years ago i flew LHR - Mumbai - Bangkok on A330 and A319. There were very comfy, with exceptional cabin crew in my opinion.

Yes, their product was very good, shame this happened.

Quoting tommyy (Reply 24):
Does anybody know what is the story of he A330's sitting in Zurich for the past few months ?

Either of the following, being repaired, is pending a legal battle in London or just waiting to be leased again. The 330's were quite badly cannibalized too.
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:49 pm

Quoting tommyy (Reply 24):
Does anybody know what is the story of he A330's sitting in Zurich for the past few months ?

Seems the A330 escaped intact from India since Kingfisher stopped LHR flying first.
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:20 pm

deaphen, if this is about IT aircraft, why have you put the title as

Quoting deaphen (Thread starter):
Aircraft Cannibalization In India | Heartbreaking

Isn't that misleading?

It leads to these sort of comments.....

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 14):
The 777s which Air India want to get rid off comes in my mind. If the aircraft are in similar condition, no wonder that nobody wants them.


I thin the thread title should be changed to point at IT specifically.....
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:35 pm

Quoting deaphen (Reply 25):
for example Jet Connect sent two 737-700's to the scrap yard yesterday----I simply cannot understand why any lessor would do business in India

These birds are young and still have a high residual value, they will not be scrapped.

The two 737-700s from Jet Konnect are both early examples (#138 and #152 from 1998). Given that they have gone to eCube at St Athan where A320s, A318s and B736s have all been scrapped, I don't think we can be certain that they are going to survive. But we are getting off topic .....  
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:38 pm

Especially given that 3 U2 B737-700's and 2 Austrian B737-700's have ended their days at Kemble in the last couple of years.
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:47 pm

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 28):
The two 737-700s from Jet Konnect are both early examples (#138 and #152 from 1998)

Quite right, but this example is a bird with her first flight in 2006. Much younger.
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:42 pm

Quoting deaphen (Reply 25):

No, those are sand bags, as the aircraft had no engines, they were placed to keep the centre of gravity towards the centre of the aircraft.

You may be right. Was thrown off by the bottle of mineral water in the phot, made it look like someone's living quarters!
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:28 pm

Quoting deaphen (Reply 25):
These birds are young and still have a high residual value, they will not be scrapped.

Sorry but you are wrong---they are being scrapped
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:40 pm

Quoting deaphen (Reply 30):
Quite right, but this example is a bird with her first flight in 2006. Much younger.

Can you confirm the tail number please, and the fact that it is an A321?
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:44 pm

Quoting deaphen (Reply 25):
These birds are young and still have a high residual value, they will not be scrapped.

Based off the interior pics you provided, I can't even imagine what the engines, flight surfaces and landing gear looks like. I am sure they are more or less completely stripped and there is no way these IT aircraft are preserved externally for long term storage. The cost to re-engine these birds and get them up to spec for flight will likely outweigh the cost of scrapping them (there isn't much left of them at this point anyways). Next, stop, my local grocery store as beer cans...
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:08 pm

The pictures in the first post are gone?
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:17 pm

Cant see the pics just the first and last... such a shame IT was run by a thief...
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:20 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 22):
Therein lies the problem. India has massive excess capacity in its airlines. I read a story about a near miss between a KingFisher A320 and JetAirways 738. Both planes were carry a TOTAL of 87 passengers.

All domestic flights I had in India over the past 2 years (about 10 flights) were full or almost full.

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 14):
The 777s which Air India want to get rid off comes in my mind. If the aircraft are in similar condition, no wonder that nobody wants them.

The stored 777 I saw at BOM last week didnt look very good.
 
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:29 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):
The pictures in the first post are gone?
Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 36):
Cant see the pics just the first and last...

Deaphen's photobucket account is out of bandwidth, hence the "look who's popular" notice.
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Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:34 pm

Quoting sankaps (Reply 31):
You may be right. Was thrown off by the bottle of mineral water in the phot, made it look like someone's living quarters!

That's not a bottle of water, it's an aerosol spray can.
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Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:38 am

Search 'Aircraft Canbalization India' on google images and the pictures will show there.

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:48 am

It's so sad to see airliners in this kind of state, especially when they usually have life in them. There are some similar images in the new Mumbai Airports Through Time book, such as this one:

http://www.destinworld.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/mumbai-airports-through-time/16-img_4461.jpg
 
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Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:57 pm

Wow! Pathetic. Have not seen such a careless, ugly, scrap-littered scene ever at any major commercial airport in the world! Any idea when this photo was taken, and was it as BOM or Juhu?
 
 
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Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:19 pm

Quoting sankaps (Reply 42):
Wow! Pathetic. Have not seen such a careless, ugly, scrap-littered scene ever at any major commercial airport in the world!

The place in the middle of BOM airport where currently some A310s (among them a colourful one that I couldnt identify) are being cut up (very close to the stored AI 787s/777) doesnt look much better. There are also engineless Jet AW 737s standing around a few hundreds meters away in direct neighbourhood to a large slum (the nearest shacks are less than a 100 m away). Dismantling work is very slow, I´ve been past that place several times in recent years, hardly any movements)
 
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Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:41 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 43):

This site indicates Delhi, (post 2009).

Do we know that it is the same aircraft? Airfleets says VT-EPT is stored, the aircraft pictured above does not looked stored, it appears to have been in an advanced state of being scrapped when the photo was taken.
 
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Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:44 pm

Quoting sankaps (Reply 45):
Do we know that it is the same aircraft? Airfleets says VT-EPT is stored, the aircraft pictured above does not looked stored, it appears to have been in an advanced state of being scrapped when the photo was taken.

"Stored" in India means usually that a plane is in a state of scrapping. Those fleetlists cant always get up-to-date data from there. Several old Indian A320s have been scrapped or a about being cannibalized.
 
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Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:49 pm

Quoting na (Reply 46):
"Stored" in India means usually that a plane is in a state of scrapping. Those fleetlists cant always get up-to-date data from there. Several old Indian A320s have been scrapped or a about being cannibalized.

Yes, I can believe that. However why then would a photo of an aircraft being scrapped in DEL land up in a book on Mumbai's airports?
 
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Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:41 pm

Hello Na,

Are you able to confirm the colour schemes of the A310's, and if they are freighters.

Many thanks.

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:50 pm

Quoting sankaps (Reply 45):
Airfleets says VT-EPT is stored

Airfleets says Scrapped
Planespotters says Stored

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