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Future Of B6 At PHL

Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:07 pm

So B6 is starting its first service at PHL, they are starting PHL-BOS. dont know the details yet. What do you guys think about the future of PHL service, can we expect to see expansion into the Carreibian, California and maybe even ORD? Does B6 even have enough planes to expand at this point?
 
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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:11 pm

I think PHL-FLL/SJU are plausable. But first we need to see how B6 does on BOS-PHL
 
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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Wed May 01, 2013 1:33 am

How about PHL-MCO,FLL,TPA or a west coast like LAX or SFO.
 
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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Wed May 01, 2013 1:41 am

Quoting doulasc (Reply 2):
How about PHL-MCO,FLL,TPA or

North/South routes seem to work well for B6. I wouldnt be surprised if these were in the future for PHL along with SJU
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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Wed May 01, 2013 1:57 am

Quoting doulasc (Reply 2):
How about PHL-MCO,FLL,TPA or a west coast like LAX or SFO.

PHL-LAX/SFO is already pretty well saturated. US/UA/VX offered a high number of frequencies last year and they have since backed off a bit for the upcoming summer. For whatever reason PHL doesn't command a huge demand on LAX/SFO.

B6 has to compete with US/WN on the Florida markets but WN is on the retreat at PHL so B6 might be able to gain a foot hold.

Though once again I think any expansion may be dependant on the success of BOS-PHL which has historically favored US over any other airline.
 
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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Wed May 01, 2013 1:58 am

Quoting doulasc (Reply 2):

Why? VX US UA have the west coast covered, Florida markets are saturated with WN,FL,US. US would wreck them on SJU, they have so much capacity. ORD: No. WN UA US have that covered. Just be glad you got B6. Even BOS will be a struggle with some 16X daily US flights, B6 should be able to hold its own on that route.
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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Wed May 01, 2013 12:28 pm

You will likely see SJU and/or Florida
 
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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Wed May 01, 2013 2:14 pm

Quoting ORDTLV2414 (Thread starter):
and maybe even ORD?

Taking on a combined US/AA between their two hubs, as well as UA which can feed traffic to PHL via their ORD hub? No. Others may have the metrics more handy, but I can't imagine that enough O/D traffic exists to make the yields worthwhile when divvied up between two mainline carriers and an LCC.
 
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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Wed May 01, 2013 3:08 pm

Quoting ORDTLV2414 (Thread starter):
What do you guys think about the future of PHL service, can we expect to see expansion into the Carreibian, California and maybe even ORD? Does B6 even have enough planes to expand at this point?



I would expect routes to Florida next. Perhaps a route to SJU, but I don't think you will see too much B6 expansion out of PHL.
 
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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Wed May 01, 2013 3:25 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 6):
You will likely see SJU and/or Florida

100% agree.

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 5):
US would wreck them on SJU,

Well, they'd do that on PHL-BOS too, wouldn't they?
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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Wed May 01, 2013 4:16 pm

jetBlue is initiating BOS-PHL nonstop service with the Boston business community in mind. While Southwest failed to capture a significant share of the Boston originating market when they served BOS-PHL, jetBlue will fare much better since they have such strong presence in the Boston market. With that said, expansion out of PHL, especially to Florida, where 75% of the traffic originates in PHL, would be a hard battle to fight. Why bother when there are other more profitable expansion opportunities elsewhere across the jetBlue network.
 
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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Wed May 01, 2013 7:32 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 9):

The difference with BOS is they have awhile connecting feed to help them out.SJU is much more smaller
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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Wed May 01, 2013 7:33 pm

They'll do fine with BOS! It will be tough though

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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Thu May 02, 2013 12:37 pm

B6 may have a strong presence in BOS, but US has a huge presence in the PHL market with hourly service to BOS during the week and a very loyal frequent flyer base. I wish them luck, but I predict that B6 will get crushed on this route. I'll give them 12 months. I do see yields deteriorating however on both sides, in a bitter fare battle.
 
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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Thu May 02, 2013 1:07 pm

Quoting boslax (Reply 10):
jetBlue is initiating BOS-PHL nonstop service with the Boston business community in mind. While Southwest failed to capture a significant share of the Boston originating market when they served BOS-PHL, jetBlue will fare much better since they have such strong presence in the Boston market.

How's B6 doing w/BWI-BOS, they've flown that route for several years (competing w/both FL & WN the whole time)?

To date, that the only route B6 flies out of BWI. Similar could hold true for them at PHL. One needs to remember that unlike WN, B6 is more of a traditional hub & spoke carrier vs. point-to-point.
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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Thu May 02, 2013 2:21 pm

PHL needs more competition.
 
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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Thu May 02, 2013 2:51 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 14):
One needs to remember that unlike WN, B6 is more of a traditional hub & spoke carrier vs. point-to-point.

How so?


They have only one hub JFK.

LGB, MCO, FLL & BOS are more like focus cities.......with (you guessed it)......P2P routes.
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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Thu May 02, 2013 4:24 pm

Quoting ORDTLV2414 (Reply 15):

PHL needs more competition.

I think NK will launch PHL-FLL first, while WN pulls out while maybe holding on just PHL-MCO. But by then, B6 won't have interest to fly PHL-FLL, unless it built up it's Central and S. America network which is probably too far off from this moment.

But maybe like SWF, B6 could launch service at ABE with nominal 1x ABE-FLL and 1x ABE-MCO. Allentown is now part of the New York CSA and B6 likes to service NY area airports. TTN-Florida seems like an idea B6 missed, but it has EWR-Florida.

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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Thu May 02, 2013 5:19 pm

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 17):
But maybe like SWF, B6 could launch service at ABE with nominal 1x ABE-FLL and 1x ABE-MCO. Allentown is now part of the New York CSA and B6 likes to service NY area airports.

How is Allentown a part of the NYC CSA, it's about an hour from PHL. ABE is not an NY area airport.
 
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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Thu May 02, 2013 6:11 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 16):
They have only one hub JFK.

LGB, MCO, FLL & BOS are more like focus cities.......with (you guessed it)......P2P routes.

That could be open for debate; IMHO, BOS is more than just a focus city for B6. Keep in mind since JFK is slot-restricted, B6 clearly needed a relatively close reliever hub; BOS seemed to fit the bill for them.

Granted, if B6 considers all of the above-listed airports as hubs; JFK certainly is the largest among them in their system.

Hubs generally offer more potentials for connections than do focus cities and I believe many B6 connection-based itineraries are done involving a stop at BOS.

Additionally, just because a carrier is viewed as a hub-and-spoke carrier doesn't mean they have no P2P routes at all; they just don't have a majority of them within the airline's entire route system.

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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Thu May 02, 2013 7:00 pm

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 18):
How is Allentown a part of the NYC CSA, it's about an hour from PHL. ABE is not an NY area airport.

It became part of the CSA this year with Lehigh Valley being a commuter bedroom community for NY. A 1x to MCO and 1x FLL might work like it does at SWF, and there is no direct competition from US, WN or NK there.

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RE: Future Of B6 At PHL

Fri May 03, 2013 8:45 pm

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 12):
They'll do fine with BOS! It will be tough though

Will hopefully influence the comically high fares to the South at PVD, where US owns the PHL show since WN ceased rhe route.

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