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BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 1:45 am

British Airways have in recent weeks made a number of changes to there W13 LHR Shorthaul Schedule. Below are details of the changes

NOTE: The changes are correct as of today. Further changes are highly likely to be made over the months to come. What aircraft type will operate on each route is yet to be decided. Majority of routes showing as being operated only by a A319. This is usually updated in July or August

Aberdeen - Will decrease in frequency from 57 to 56 x weekly

Agadir - Frequency will increase from 2 to 3 x weekly.

Amsterdam - Frequency will increase from 57 to 59 x weekly

Athens - Frequency will increase from 19 to 20 x weekly

Barcelona - Will decrease in frequency from 47 to 44 x weekly

Budapest - Will decrease in frequency from 21 to 20 x weekly

Dusseldorf - Will decrease in frequency from 40 to 39 x weekly

Edinburgh - Will decrease in frequency from 72 to 71 x weekly

Frankfurt - Will decrease in frequency from 51 to 47 x weekly

Hamburg - Frequency will increase from 35 to 36 x weekly

Manchester - Will decrease in frequency from 73 to 68 x weekly

Nice - Frequency will increase from 35 to 36 x weekly

Paris CDG - Will decrease in frequency from 55 to 52 x weekly

Prague - Will decrease in frequency from 33 to 28 x weekly

Rome - Will decrease in frequency from 42 to 41 x weekly

Stockholm - Will decrease in frequency from 41 to 39 x weekly

Zurich - Will decrease in frequency from 41 to 39 x weekly
 
BA0197
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 3:41 am

Me thinks this finally means that BA will start to assign some of the short haul route slots to Longhaul routes (both existing and new). From this I have determined that BA have released 24 slot pairs for redistribution when you add up all the decreases in SH frequency. Wonder were they will go. I predict the following:

Seperate DOH service
KUL
new US destination (perhaps DTW, PIT, or CLT)
DAC
SCL

Or maybe some LGW route swaps.
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 3:48 am

24, plus the 7 from Aer Lingus.

You also have Chengdu starting this winter.
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 4:02 am

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 1):
new US destination (perhaps DTW, PIT, or CLT)
DAC

I heard PDX and FLL were rumored.

Don't CLT and DTW already have nonstops to LHR?
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 7:23 am

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 3):
Don't CLT and DTW already have nonstops to LHR?

Yes, but not by BA/Oneworld. However, now that AA and US are merging I expect to see BA metal on the CLT route.
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 9:59 am

BA flew CLT-LGW with US B762s and later on theit own B763s so would be nice to see them back. DTW was dying for many years so unless the market has bounced back, it's going to be left to DL.
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 10:19 am

Seems odd that RTM & LBA are not being reduced as suggestion was that these were the slot sitting routes prior to longhaul expansion.

FLL has been suggested for some time, however most of those suggestions were for a LGW route not LHR


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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 10:33 am

Is because they could be planning on shipping some A319's across to the LGW fleet?
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 10:35 am

Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 7):
Is because they could be planning on shipping some A319's across to the LGW fleet?

Very possibly, however the LHR slots would have to be used for something or lost by BA


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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 10:52 am

Apparently a weekly service to Gran Canaria is being launched from LHR.

http://www.routes-news.com/news/1-ne..._source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 12:21 pm

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 8):
Very possibly, however the LHR slots would have to be used for something or lost by BA

Not neccesarily, slots workk on the basis that you have to use them 80% of the time across the scheduling season. BA can move flights by a couple of minutes on a day by day basis in order to preserve their slots.
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 12:50 pm

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 3):
I heard PDX and FLL were rumored.

PDX would be neat.

What would BA have to gain by serving FLL? Some cruise traffic perhaps, but is that lucrative enough when they can just route them via MIA? Just curious.
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 1:14 pm

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 6):
FLL has been suggested for some time, however most of those suggestions were for a LGW route not LHR

How would FLL work for BA when they have double daily flights 30 miles south to Miami International ? The only market for BA flying to two airports in the same place is New York, that is the only city it makes sense. Tokyo could be another but I am not so sure Haneda pays for itself.
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 3:49 pm

I was wondering why they have dropped CMN they inherited from BMI, there is a huge potentials for connection flights from north America, especially with lots of people including me not happy with RAM prices and services
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 3:58 pm

Quoting capri (Reply 13):
I was wondering why they have dropped CMN they inherited from BMI, there is a huge potentials for connection flights from north America, especially with lots of people including me not happy with RAM prices and services

CMN has not be popular with flights to London... When EZY bought GT, neither BA nor EZY took over the route. When BA bought BD, CMN was again dropped. So I do not think we would see more of CMN except if they think of operting a LHR-CMN-DKR or LHR-CMN-RAK which I don't think will happen...
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 4:07 pm

I agree with other OPs, a LHR-FLL wouldn't make much sense. But I could understand a LGW-FLL as an O&D flight. For instance, BA flies to LAS from both LGW and LHR, so why not instead of adding more frequencies to MIA or a LGW-MIA, do something "out of the box" and add new flights to FLL.
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 4:18 pm

FLL ex LGW would work if BA were to offer BA holiday options for thing like cruises, for which I understand a decent market exists in FLL


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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 4:30 pm

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 16):

FLL ex LGW would work if BA were to offer BA holiday options for thing like cruises, for which I understand a decent market exists in FLL

I doubt it would happen either. If BA were to start a flight to Southern Florida from LGW, it would be to MIA in order to tie into the AA hub.

The cruise market is low yield anyways and you can easily charter buses from MIA to FLL if one operator really needs the cruise traffic.
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 4:39 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 17):
I doubt it would happen either. If BA were to start a flight to Southern Florida from LGW, it would be to MIA in order to tie into the AA hub.

The cruise market is low yield anyways and you can easily charter buses from MIA to FLL if one operator really needs the cruise traffic.

IF BA really wanted fly to another Florida city between Miami and Orlando from LGW they should consider PBI. I doubt the market there is big enough for a daily flight but a few times weekly by 787-8 might work.
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 4:46 pm

Forgive my ignorance - when does WH13 begin?
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 5:02 pm

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 16):
FLL ex LGW would work if BA were to offer BA holiday options for thing like cruises, for which I understand a decent market exists in FLL

They tried that with SJU (ie a major cruise hub) and that was quietly dropped.
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 5:31 pm

Quoting morrisond (Reply 19):
Forgive my ignorance - when does WH13 begin?

End of october
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 9:50 pm

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 1):
new US destination (perhaps DTW, PIT, or CLT)

DTW was only put in, in order to fly to IAH, due to the Bermuda II.
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 9:53 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 22):
DTW was only put in, in order to fly to IAH, due to the Bermuda II.

BOAC had served DTW for many years, it was a declining route which was chosen to be split with IAH towards the end.
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Wed May 01, 2013 10:26 pm

Quoting goldorak (Reply 21):
Quoting morrisond (Reply 19):
Forgive my ignorance - when does WH13 begin?

End of october

The LAX A380 flight begins on October 15.
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Thu May 02, 2013 12:22 am

Quoting morrisond (Reply 19):
when does WH13 begin?

This year on Sunday 27 October .

The Winter Timetable always starts on the last Sunday in October. The Summer Timetable starts on the last Sunday in March.
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Thu May 02, 2013 2:41 am

Quoting runway23 (Reply 17):
The cruise market is low yield anyways and you can easily charter buses from MIA to FLL if one operator really needs the cruise traffic.

Just to clarify in case some aren't aware. Miami still is a larger cruise ship port than Fort Lauderdale, though it's getting close between the two.
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Thu May 02, 2013 8:21 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 26):
Just to clarify in case some aren't aware. Miami still is a larger cruise ship port than Fort Lauderdale, though it's getting close between the two.

MIA vs. FLL also has another issue, infrastructure. FLL is NOT equipped to deal with a 777 or 747, its barely fine for an A320 at its FIS facility. Big plane operations to South Florida are best into MIA.
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Thu May 02, 2013 8:33 pm

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 6):
Seems odd that RTM & LBA are not being reduced as suggestion was that these were the slot sitting routes prior to longhaul expansion.

It would be more odd to reduce the frequency of the flights to RTM, as these flights attract aproxx 1000 passengers more each month since the route was started in December.
I was just reading a report on a Dutch spotter site of a traveler who has flown the route the day before yesterday and he was outbound RTM-LHR on a nearly full plane. And there seem to be a lot of non-EU travelers on this route as well, which make it a good feeder for the BA/Oneworld network.
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Fri May 03, 2013 8:09 am

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 6):
Seems odd that RTM & LBA are not being reduced as suggestion was that these were the slot sitting routes prior to longhaul expansion.

LBA was launched with 4xDaily flights, looking at the new timetable, it's only 2/3 daily flights.

Will we see further T3 to T5 adjustments such as LIS & GIB?
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Fri May 03, 2013 9:40 am

A weekly LHR-LPA service has been addes. Flight to operate on Saturdays.
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Fri May 03, 2013 11:14 am

Why LPA from LHR when TFS/ACE are operating from LGW?
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Fri May 03, 2013 11:42 am

There is a large existing BA operated holiday charter program out of T5 on summer weekends, no REALLY there is. Seems BA want a piece of that pie for themselves.
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Fri May 03, 2013 1:49 pm

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 31):
Why LPA from LHR when TFS/ACE are operating from LGW?

Why AGA from LHR and RAK from LGW?
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Fri May 03, 2013 2:30 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 32):
There is a large existing BA operated holiday charter program out of T5 on summer weekends, no REALLY there is.

Last summer BA operated a total of six charter rotations from LHR T5 on Saturdays on behalf of Sardatur Holidays (2 rotations) and Mark Warner Holidays (4 rotations).

The Sardatur flights were to CAG and OLB.

The Mark Warner flights were to BIA (Bastia, Corsica), BJV (Bodrum, Turkey), CAG and RHO.

This summer BA will again operate all of the above plus two additional rotations for Mark Warner. A new Saturday rotation will operate to KGS and there will be a Sunday rotation to LXS (Lemnos, Greece) .
 
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RE: BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes

Sat May 04, 2013 12:20 pm

Since this thread is about winter schedules it seems appropriate to add that BA operated a single ski charter rotation for Mark Warner Holidays on 18 Saturdays out of LHR T5 to GNB (BA9224C/25C) last winter. The first of these rotations was on 16 Dec 12. The final one was on !4 Apr 13.

They also operated two 734 ski charters for Mark Warner out of LGW North. Again one was to GNB (BA9218C/19C) operated 19 times starting on Saturday 9 December and ending on 14 April. The second was to FDH (BA9216C/17C) operated on 18 Saturdays between 16 December and 14 April.

It looks a pretty good bet that ski charters will feature in BA's Winter 2013-14 programme.

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