tioloko100
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Second Cockpit Door?

Wed May 01, 2013 9:47 pm

9/11 changed many things from extra securities at airport to having Air marshals on board flights. Not long from now if the bill passes commercial aircraft in the US will be required to have a second for security purpose.
I guess this will make the cockpit safer but more cost for the industry.


http://flyingactive.com/content/133-...s-require-second-cockpit-door.html
 
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RE: Second Cockpit Door?

Wed May 01, 2013 9:49 pm

I thought this was supposed to be implemented right after 9/11?
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tioloko100
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RE: Second Cockpit Door?

Wed May 01, 2013 10:00 pm

yeah but it takes time for such decisions to be implemented given the amount of work involved and other things that need to be put into consideration.
 
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RE: Second Cockpit Door?

Wed May 01, 2013 10:04 pm

Is this something different than the "suicide fences" on many airliners today for when the cockpit door is opened, or just mandating their installation rather than the service cart barricade?
 
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RE: Second Cockpit Door?

Wed May 01, 2013 11:31 pm

Funny thing about the picture, it only shows one door. I guess this plane isn't one of the "many" that already have two as stated in the artical. I have not seen one that has the dual door or the wire mesh curtain thing they talk about.
 
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RE: Second Cockpit Door?

Wed May 01, 2013 11:38 pm

Quoting dalmd88 (Reply 4):

It is a simulator.
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RE: Second Cockpit Door?

Thu May 02, 2013 12:00 am

Great, just what we need: Congress legislating yet again about something they know absolutely nothing about when it comes to the airline industry.
 
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RE: Second Cockpit Door?

Thu May 02, 2013 1:33 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 5):
It is a simulator.

A 727 sim, at that, complete with FE station.
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RE: Second Cockpit Door?

Thu May 02, 2013 6:37 am

Delta's modified A330's with the flat bed seats already have the secondary cockpit door installed as part of the modification. One aircraft is finished (new internal designator 3L3, modified A333) and one is almost finished (new internal designator 3L2, modified A332).
 
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RE: Second Cockpit Door?

Thu May 02, 2013 6:47 am

Seriously? Why not just deny any passangers on the planes? That will prevent any terrorist attacks. No wait... No planes in the sky! That will do the trick!

Is it just me, or is the United States legislative system just showing their incompetence? Adding another door is not going to help. Except for showing off how protective the government is.

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RE: Second Cockpit Door?

Thu May 02, 2013 7:26 pm

I thought the TSA was the be all end all of security? All terrorist attacks should be thwarted by their exceptional capabilities.

I am all for a second door if that means I non longer have to disrobe to get to my flight. Other than that, if they require a second door, they basically admit that the current security procedures are a waste.
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RE: Second Cockpit Door?

Thu May 02, 2013 7:53 pm

The second door is standard on El Al. There is a school of thought that the second door isn't of much benefit.
 
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RE: Second Cockpit Door?

Thu May 02, 2013 8:43 pm

Well actually I think that they should install 3 doors whilst doing the modifications that way we will be really super safe!

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RE: Second Cockpit Door?

Thu May 02, 2013 8:48 pm

UA uses a barrier on the 757's at least that is extended when the flight deck door is to be opened.
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RE: Second Cockpit Door?

Thu May 02, 2013 8:59 pm

A revolving door should do the trick  

I assume in the future airplane designs, there will be no access between the cockpit and the cabin for the best safety. Pilots would have their own external doors, their own wc's and rest areas, they would probably have to cook for themselves as well.
 
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RE: Second Cockpit Door?

Thu May 02, 2013 9:03 pm

Congress should really let the FAA do its job and regulate safety rather than create laws based on emotion that may not be well thought out. Unfortunately, congress has forced the engineers at the FAA responsible for safety and certification to take furlough days instead of talking to them about improving the FARs.
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RE: Second Cockpit Door?

Thu May 02, 2013 10:04 pm

You guys are missing the point.

The purpose of a secondary barrier is for the when the flight deck door needs to be opened in flight, eg. toilet break, crew rest, passing of items between flight deck and cabin. It's the same way some airport security fences work. For traffic going in and out, there is a holding area. The door is always locked on one side of the holding area, so that the flight deck cannot be breached by someone storming the door as its opened.
 
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RE: Second Cockpit Door?

Thu May 02, 2013 10:35 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 5):
It is a simulator.
Quoting N766UA (Reply 7):
A 727 sim, at that, complete with FE station.

It looks more like a static display nose section.

I have never seen a regular cockpit door on a simulator.
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