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Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Thu May 02, 2013 4:31 am

I read about the Pan Am flight 6 ditched Pacific Ocean with 4 failure engines and all survivors.

The Captain name was Richard Ogg.

Is that true after name Kahului Airport code is OGG?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_6

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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Thu May 02, 2013 4:34 am

Quoting Q (Thread starter):
Is that true after name Kahului Airport code is OGG?

OGG pays homage to aviation pioneer Bertram J. Hogg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahului_Airport
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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Thu May 02, 2013 4:49 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):

Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks for showing it to me. I thought it was exactly his name Ogg.


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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Thu May 02, 2013 8:41 am

Quoting Q (Thread starter):
I read about the Pan Am flight 6 ditched Pacific Ocean with 4 failure engines and all survivors.

Believe only two engines failed. They were about halfway between HNL and SFO and the lower speed from two engines instead of four, plus increased drag from the stopped props, made it impossible to reach land with the remaining fuel.

They decided to circle until dawn and ditched next to a weather ship. The fuselage broke aft of the wing and sank, but this was anticipated and the rear pax were seated forward for the ditching. The aircraft floated for a while. All saved.

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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Thu May 02, 2013 11:36 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 3):
Believe only two engines failed. They were about halfway between HNL and SFO and the lower speed from two engines instead of four, plus increased drag from the stopped props, made it impossible to reach land with the remaining fuel.

They decided to circle until dawn and ditched next to a weather ship. The fuselage broke aft of the wing and sank, but this was anticipated and the rear pax were seated forward for the ditching. The aircraft floated for a while. All saved.

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All documented here in this color USCG film from 1956:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvagZxur7sU
 
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Thu May 02, 2013 12:27 pm

It's amazing how many Stratocruisers were lost-almost all of them due to engine or propeller problems. While it was the most capable and luxurious plane of the era, it was expensive and unreliable. Out of 56 built, 13 were lost. Few aircraft since the pioneering days have this dismal a record. Sad; it was a gorgeous plane (although I have to say the Constellation was the most beautiful and elegant plane ever built.)
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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Thu May 02, 2013 5:51 pm

I seem to recall there was a book written about this incident at the time, I think I've got it somewhere, because I can remember seeing a PAA plane ditched in the ocean on the cover.
 
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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Thu May 02, 2013 6:06 pm

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 4):
All documented here in this color USCG film from 1956:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvagZ...ur7sU

That's a superb film - I haven't seen it before. The book Air Disaster Vol. 4 by MacArthur Job has a really good write up on this accident. I didn't know there was film - great to see!
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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Thu May 02, 2013 6:51 pm

Amazing recovery. Is there anything similar with jets (ditched in ocean with no or few deaths?). Ok, excluding the recent Lion Air incident which ditched in such shallow water the gear touched bottom!

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 5):
It's amazing how many Stratocruisers were lost

Why the DC-6 and Connie did far better in the market.

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 5):
Out of 56 built, 13 were lost.

  Not a good record.

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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Thu May 02, 2013 11:23 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8):
Amazing recovery. Is there anything similar with jets (ditched in ocean with no or few deaths?). Ok, excluding the recent Lion Air incident which ditched in such shallow water the gear touched bottom!

As mentioned in many other threads, there was the JAL DC-8-62 that landed in San Francisco Bay a mile or two short of the runway at SFO in poor weather in November 1968. There weren't even any injuries, and the almost new aircraft was repaired by UA over the next 4 months and returned for many more years of service.
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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Fri May 03, 2013 1:41 am

I was a n 8 year old kid in Honolulu when this happened, and I remember it well. I've always been into aviation and my Dad worked at the airport (U.S. Weather Bureau) and knew many of the Pan Am crew people. They used to have a Coast Guard ship half way between SFO and HNL for communications purposes, which is what saved these pax.
 
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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Fri May 03, 2013 3:13 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 7):
Amazing recovery. Is there anything similar with jets (ditched in ocean with no or few deaths?). Ok, excluding the recent Lion Air incident which ditched in such shallow water the gear touched bottom!

Off the top of my head, this is the only one I can think of. A book was published a few years back called "35 miles from shore" about the ALM/ONA DC-9 ditching off St. Croix. Very interesting read!


ALM_Flight_980" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALM_Flight_980
 
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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Fri May 03, 2013 3:43 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8):
Amazing recovery. Is there anything similar with jets (ditched in ocean with no or few deaths?). Ok, excluding the recent Lion Air incident which ditched in such shallow water the gear touched bottom!
Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 11):
Off the top of my head, this is the only one I can think of

I'm really surprised you didn't think of this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nationalcrash.jpg
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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Fri May 03, 2013 4:33 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 12):
I'm really surprised you didn't think of this one:

I was thinking his question was related to open ocean ditchings. Both the National 727 and the JAL DC-8 were approach accidents on aircraft inadvertently flown into the water. As a pilot, I think of a ditching as a forced landing on the water due to mechanical reasons. Flight 1549 certainly qualifies here, but that wasn't an open ocean ditching. Maybe I misunderstood what he was asking.

I just remembered, an Aeroflot TU-124 ran out of fuel in 1963 and ditched in the Neva River with no fatalties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_Ae...Tupolev_Tu-124_Neva_river_ditching
 
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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Fri May 03, 2013 4:37 am

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 14):
was thinking his question was related to open ocean ditchings

OK, gotcha.


Wasnt there a 727 that ditched in the Atlantic off the east coast about 20 years ago? Not syre if there were fatalities though.
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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Fri May 03, 2013 4:42 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
here was the JAL DC-8-62 that landed in San Francisco Bay

I should have remembered that one. Thank you.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 12):
I'm really surprised you didn't think of this one:

I didn't even know about that one! Interesting. But not quite the same in either case. PA 6 was an intentional ditch as the least risky solution to a bad situation. Has any jet been intentionally ditched?

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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Fri May 03, 2013 4:49 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 16):
Has any jet been intentionally ditched?

I would imagine that US1549 would fall in the same category -- the pilots elected to ditch rather than try to force it to the airport.

In both cases, the decision was made to ditch because the pilots knew they wouldn't make the nearest airport.
 
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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Fri May 03, 2013 5:42 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 16):
Has any jet been intentionally ditched?

ALM Flight 980
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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Fri May 03, 2013 7:20 am

The National 727 mentioned above accidentaly ditched into Escambia Bay on approach to Pensacola.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Airlines_Flight_193

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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Fri May 03, 2013 8:01 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 16):
Has any jet been intentionally ditched?

ALM 980, Ethiopian 961, Tunniter 1153 (turboprop but still), Garuda 421
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RE: Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean

Fri May 03, 2013 1:27 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 18):
ALM Flight 980
Quoting bueb0g (Reply 20):
ALM 980, Ethiopian 961, Tunniter 1153 (turboprop but still), Garuda 421

Thank you. While I frequent this site often and feel I know quite a bit on aviation, sometimes I come to a.net and find 'gaps in my knowledgebase.'   

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