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NZ LAX-FRA?

Thu May 02, 2013 10:35 pm

Am I correct that NZ used to fly AKL-LAX-FRA? Was this flight cancelled due to low yields, and the potential code-share with LH on the LAX-FRA leg? And could the flight pick up pax at LAX for FRA (and FRA for LAX)?
 
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RE: NZ LAX-FRA?

Thu May 02, 2013 10:41 pm

Quoting brucek (Thread starter):
Am I correct that NZ used to fly AKL-LAX-FRA?
Quoting brucek (Thread starter):
And could the flight pick up pax at LAX for FRA (and FRA for LAX)?

Yes to both. I'm not certain but I think NZ dropped FRA before the Star Alliance was created. It was only once or twice a week if memory correct.
 
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RE: NZ LAX-FRA?

Thu May 02, 2013 10:43 pm

When Did Air NZ Start Flying LAX-FRA? (by Travelin man Jan 5 2001 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: NZ LAX-FRA?

Thu May 02, 2013 10:45 pm

Here's another thread that might be helpful:

Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt? (by United Airline Jun 19 2002 in Civil Aviation)
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Thu May 02, 2013 10:58 pm

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RE: NZ LAX-FRA?

Thu May 02, 2013 11:04 pm

There are pictures in the database from 2001, so I'm guessing the route ended after 9/11.
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RE: NZ LAX-FRA?

Thu May 02, 2013 11:13 pm

Air NZ commenced the route in Oct 1987, and dropped it in March 2001 when its expanded codeshare with LH kicked in.

The company said following at the time;

The changes to the schedule fit with our plan to create a more efficient network offering more choice to customers and putting more of our own capacity on core sectors, such as Japan and the United States. We are concentrating on geographic regions where we have marked strengths, rather than spreading our operations across the globe, " said General Manager, Air New Zealand International Airline, Grant Lilly.

The Air New Zealand service between Los Angeles and Frankfurt will stop operating at the end of March. Mr Lilly said the exit from its two services a week between Los Angeles and Frankfurt was a logical progression towards a stronger codeshare arrangement with Star Alliance members including the home carrier for the German market, Lufthansa.

"In partnership with Lufthansa we will be able to offer customers much greater frequency of services between Europe and the South Pacific and greater choice of routing and stopovers. It makes good operational and economic sense for us to work with our Star Alliance partners like Lufthansa to service Europe while maintaining our direct flights to London, " Mr Lilly said.


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RE: NZ LAX-FRA?

Fri May 03, 2013 3:15 pm

A shot from 2000 from my archive:


113ay - Air New Zealand Boeing 747-400; ZK-SUJ@FRA;20.10.2000 by Aero Icarus, on Flickr

At that time NZ, QF - and, as proof in the backgorund - GA served FRA, all with the 747-400...now with QF also gone there is indeed a whole region underrepresented - but then again, no wonder, with the dozens of flights EK, EY, QR and also WY offer in the same direction...

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RE: NZ LAX-FRA?

Fri May 03, 2013 4:30 pm

Quoting brucek (Thread starter):

I believe the actual routing was FRA-LAX-NAN-AKL. NZ 5/6 if I recall correctly and I think it only ran twice a week.

NZ at LAX was quite interesting at that time. You had NZ flights to AKL (2), SYD, NAN, and usually one of the following depending on the day, HNL, RAR, PPT, and I think Apia.
 
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RE: NZ LAX-FRA?

Fri May 03, 2013 4:43 pm

Thanks for the great replies.
 
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RE: NZ LAX-FRA?

Fri May 03, 2013 10:54 pm

Per Air New Zealand history document, when they started to serve FRA, the flight followed this route: AKL-HNL-LAX-FRA. On the return journey the flight continued to SYD.

In 1991, a second weekly flight is added, then a third in 1993.

As a side note, Air NZ opened its first European representation at FRA in 1968.
 
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RE: NZ LAX-FRA?

Fri May 03, 2013 11:57 pm

Quoting airzim (Reply 8):

Quoting brucek (Thread starter):"NZ at LAX was quite interesting at that time. You had NZ flights to AKL (2), SYD, NAN, and usually one of the following depending on the day, HNL, RAR, PPT, and I think Apia."

Don't forget LHR. As a youngster I always thought LAX-LHR was an oddball route for NZ. I didn't figure out till somewhat recently that its pretty much the most direct way from NZ to London as the great distance required a stop and 5th freedom rights happened to be allowed.
 
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RE: NZ LAX-FRA?

Sat May 04, 2013 3:51 am

Did NZ also route their DFW flight to Europe as well?
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RE: NZ LAX-FRA?

Sat May 04, 2013 5:28 am

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 12):

Yes, AKL-PPT-DFW-LGW once weekly 747-200. I used to go to DFW to see them and take photos at the time. It was in the same time period that TG flew here also.
 
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RE: NZ LAX-FRA?

Sat May 04, 2013 7:31 am

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 12):
Did NZ also route their DFW flight to Europe as well?
Quoting notdownnlocked (Reply 13):
Yes, AKL-PPT-DFW-LGW once weekly 747-200. I used to go to DFW to see them and take photos at the time. It was in the same time period that TG flew here also.

Correct - NZ operated AKL-PPT-DFW-LGW from October 1987 to March 1989
Interestengly there was no southbound service thru DFW from LGW to PPT/AKL

http://www.airnewzealand.com/assets/PDFs/history.pdf

"Inaugural Auckland-Dallas/Forth Worth service calls enroute at Papeete
and terminates in London. The return southbound service stops at Los
Angeles and Papeete southbound."

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RE: NZ LAX-FRA?

Sat May 04, 2013 8:01 am

Having flown the route myself I can confirm that it was FRA-LAX-AKL and vv.

The flight did not continue to SYD, but after a shower in the arrivals lounge and a sightseeing excursion to dpowntown AKL, I continued that evening on a 762 IIRC to SYD

Can't say much about the frequency.
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