brucek
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CX91 DFW-ATL?

Fri May 03, 2013 7:28 pm

Swa this link on FlightAware:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...1/history/20130502/0615Z/KDFW/KATL

Looks like CX91 does DFW-ATL-ANC-HKG.

A couple of questions- Wouldn't a westbound US leg ATL-DFW make more sense (general direction of flight is westerly), and why wouldn't the codeshare with AA work for DFW-ATL? The US (lower-48) domestic leg is short for a B748?

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RE: CX91 DFW-ATL?

Fri May 03, 2013 7:32 pm

I don't know if flightaware made a mistake but it states it is now flying MIA-ANC after flying DFW-MIA earlier....

And tomorrow it is supposedly switching from B748 to B744 which should make it obvious it is a cargo flight... Last I checked only LH had 747-8I

[Edited 2013-05-03 12:37:58]
 
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RE: CX91 DFW-ATL?

Fri May 03, 2013 7:32 pm

You do realize that's a cargo flight, right?
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RE: CX91 DFW-ATL?

Fri May 03, 2013 7:37 pm

That's a cargo flight !

Cathay Cargo flights are often multi-stop - they may have more inbound cargo to Dallas but outbound from Atlanta !

As for Code sharing they probably do sell space to AA however it has to be at commercial rates as cargo carriers have been successfully prosecuted in a number of domains for rate collusion !

Cargo operations follow differing rules to passenger operations.
 
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RE: CX91 DFW-ATL?

Fri May 03, 2013 7:39 pm

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 2):
You do realize that's a cargo flight, right?

Yes- just came back on to edit my post, once I realized that it was most likely a cargo flight- thanks . You guys are quick responders  
 
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RE: CX91 DFW-ATL?

Fri May 03, 2013 7:40 pm

I know it is Cargo, but I have always wondered, what is the point of stopping in ANC, I dont see much cargo being picked up/dropped off there... is it just a fuel economy thing? The 747-8 can clearly do DFW-HKG non-stop, why stop in ANC (There must be a reason since most cargo ops go through ANC)
 
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RE: CX91 DFW-ATL?

Fri May 03, 2013 7:48 pm

Quoting falkerker (Reply 5):
I know it is Cargo, but I have always wondered, what is the point of stopping in ANC, I dont see much cargo being picked up/dropped off there... is it just a fuel economy thing? The 747-8 can clearly do DFW-HKG non-stop, why stop in ANC (There must be a reason since most cargo ops go through ANC)

Yes, it's about fuel economy. On very long flights, you burn a lot of fuel just carrying fuel that you will need later in the flight. If you have a stop in the middle, this fuel penalty can be significantly decreased.

Since cargo doesn't object to an additional stop in the middle of the night, it makes sense to do it that way.

Quoting brucek (Reply 4):
Yes- just came back on to edit my post, once I realized that it was most likely a cargo flight- thanks . You guys are quick responders
OK. Your comment about codesharing made me wonder. Never mind that AA don't have any dedicated freighters, codesharing doesn't really happen in the cargo world.

And of course LH still remains the only operator of passenger B748s for the time being.

[Edited 2013-05-03 12:51:19]
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RE: CX91 DFW-ATL?

Fri May 03, 2013 9:26 pm

Quoting falkerker (Reply 5):
I know it is Cargo, but I have always wondered, what is the point of stopping in ANC, I dont see much cargo being picked up/dropped off there... is it just a fuel economy thing? The 747-8 can clearly do DFW-HKG non-stop, why stop in ANC (There must be a reason since most cargo ops go through ANC)

It's purely for fueling purposes only, besides crew changes. Some BR crews fly ORD-ANC-HKG with out swapping out. I can tell you that the only cargo airline that does a cargo swap is 5Y and sometimes Korean Airlines. 5Y has a a partnership of some kind with DHL and freight is taken off and loaded onto another inbound flight.

Interesting you bring this up because I asked one one the senior ramp agents for China Airlines about the cargo traffic here in ANC and he told me that before the 2008 economic downturn, BR, CX, China Air, Air China and Korean Airlines would have to jockey for positions for fuel with Air China having a majority of the traffic there.

Now that the 748 can fly longer and farther, it has taken away some traffic from ANC but on some evenings the ramp is full of BR 744's and MD-11's, China Air 744's, Evergreen 744's CX 748's and occasionally a MH 744.
 
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RE: CX91 DFW-ATL?

Fri May 03, 2013 9:42 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 7):
Now that the 748 can fly longer and farther, it has taken away some traffic from ANC but on some evenings the ramp is full of BR 744's and MD-11's, China Air 744's, Evergreen 744's CX 748's and occasionally a MH 744.

Were it not for the wonderful weather, it would make an awesome spotting site!!!