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Sat May 04, 2013 2:44 pm

Delta's MD-90 N950DN, the next-to-last to come over from JAL, according to FlightAware is enroute from KMSP to KVQQ where it will get its mods.
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The last JL MD90 was retired a few weeks back and should be making its way to the USA in a few weeks too
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Sat May 04, 2013 2:58 pm

Excellent news for Delta as well as its passengers. I'd much rather fly on an MD88/90 versus any of the narrowbody offerings from either Boeing or Airbus. Will the -90s be getting AVOD as well?
 
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Sat May 04, 2013 4:39 pm

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 2):
Will the -90s be getting AVOD as well?

Current plan. No.
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Sat May 04, 2013 5:39 pm

What is the current planned date to have all MD-90s in service? That is all of the current ones that we know about.
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Quoting bigbird (Reply 4):

There are quite a few still awaiting mods. B the current pace I'd say all frames should be complete by early '14.
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Sat May 04, 2013 6:58 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
There are quite a few still awaiting mods. B the current pace I'd say all frames should be complete by early '14.

I'm already impressed by the number of routes that are run by MD-90 equipment. By the time all of the mods are complete, the MD-90 will make up a significant percentage of the narrowbody fleet. From a personal point of view, I love being able to non-rev on the airline that flies all four of the major mainline narrowbody families (737, 757, A319/A320, DC-9 /MD-88/MD-90/717)!  
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Sat May 04, 2013 8:05 pm

That is good news. The MD90s are a great fit for the DL network.

Also my station just got the parking lines repainted for the 717 and 739 but they also painted lines for the 321 at all of our gates.... That one makes no sense to me

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 2):
I'd much rather fly on an MD88/90 versus any of the narrowbody offerings from either Boeing or Airbus

From a rampers point of view, we like working all narrow body planes expect the MD family at least in my station.
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Sat May 04, 2013 8:09 pm

So what are the DL second hand teams going to be looking for all over the world now?
 
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Sat May 04, 2013 8:11 pm

Quoting B757forever (Reply 3):

Current plan. No.

That is a shame considering many run on 3-4 hour runs out of MSP.
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Sat May 04, 2013 8:33 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 9):
That is a shame considering many run on 3-4 hour runs out of MSP.

Is AVOD really a requirement on such a segment? I mean, seriously...
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Quoting lucky777 (Reply 2):

Excellent news for Delta as well as its passengers. I'd much rather fly on an MD88/90 versus any of the narrowbody offerings from either Boeing or Airbus. Will the -90s be getting AVOD as well?

As the others have stated, currently, AFAWK, there are no plans to put video entertainment on them. Initially there was, but as fuel prices climbed and market volitility began to rise in late 20, we shelved those plans. But we also, at that time, shelved plans to update the 753 fleet and the 757-5600 fleet as well, but we are no going fwd to reconfigure those aircraft and the with nose-to-tail AVOD and new slimline seats, new overhead bins(pivot-style for the 757 and 737 fleet), so it with all that happening, it would not surprise me to see us revamp the MD-90 fleet close after that, providing the economy stays intact. The MD-90s are averaging these days on the 3-4 legs, so for competitive reasons, it would only make sense for us to do so.
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Sat May 04, 2013 9:22 pm

Quoting LV (Reply 8):
So what are the DL second hand teams going to be looking for all over the world now?

I too wonder about that. My guess is additional MD90 and B717 aircraft.
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Sat May 04, 2013 9:54 pm

Quoting B757forever (Reply 12):
I too wonder about that. My guess is additional MD90 and B717 aircraft.

I was actually thinking some gently used 738's might be on the list if WN doesn't get to them first.
 
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Sat May 04, 2013 10:06 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
... quite a few still awaiting mods

ch-aviation.ch says there are none in storage at KMZJ, 1 more to come over from JAL and 7 in various stages of the process in KATL for paint or in KVQQ for mod. I believe these 8 will be done by the end of July, if not sooner, so work can begin on the 717s that go into service later this year.

[Edited 2013-05-04 15:11:37]
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Quoting LV (Reply 8):
So what are the DL second hand teams going to be looking for all over the world now?

B-727???

        
 
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Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 11):
shelved plans to update the 753 fleet and the 757-5600 fleet as well, but we are no going fwd to reconfigure those aircraft and the with nose-to-tail AVOD and new slimline seats, new overhead bins(pivot-style for the 757 and 737 fleet), so it with all that happening, it would not surprise me to see us revamp the MD-90 fleet close after that, providing the economy stays intact. The MD-90s are averaging these days on the 3-4 legs, so for competitive reasons, it would only make sense for us to do so.

So, the 5600-series 752s are getting AVOD? I know about the 753s, however, I didn't know the 5600-series 752s will be getting AVOD as well. Also, are there really plans to install pivot bins on the entire 737 and 757 fleet? I know the 739ERs will come with the Boeing Sky Interior from the factory, however, if there are plans to install pivot bins on other narrowbodies (Heath Tecna Project Amber I presume), that would be great.
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Quoting LV (Reply 13):
I was actually thinking some gently used 738's might be on the list if WN doesn't get to them first.

That much has been stated by Ed Bastian. They are in the market for some second hand narrowbodies in the 738/320 range and capacity class. Simply but, although the MD90 is a great airplane, it does not have the legs like the 320 or 738 to do transcons and the like. Let's also remember that with the 757 drawdown, although we have 739s coming online, they need something to fly LatAm and the Caribbean. The 739 isn't exactly capable on the routes due to runway length at some of the stations.
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Sun May 05, 2013 3:05 am

Quoting SELMER40 (Reply 14):

What work is Delta doing on the 717's? I thought WN is responsible for the mods to Delta specs.
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Quoting Coronado (Reply 18):
What work is Delta doing on the 717's?

DL is not doing any work on the 717 aircraft. WN is handling that per the agreement.
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Sun May 05, 2013 4:03 am

Quoting B757forever (Reply 12):
Quoting LV (Reply 8):
So what are the DL second hand teams going to be looking for all over the world now?

I too wonder about that. My guess is additional MD90 and B717 aircraft.

Don't rule out additional MD-80s for spare part inventory. Particularly, relatively modest total flight-hour aircraft.

Of the MD-vintage types, I think an official confirmation on the Taiwan MD-90s is likely to happen next. I don't think DL will commit to additional 717s until they are able to evaluate the type after EIS. But ultimately, I do expect DL to operate more the 88 717s.
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Delta will continue purchasing of or leasing MD-90s and probably the 717 along with any other aircraft which Delta currently flyies that fits their economics of scale.
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Sun May 05, 2013 7:21 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 20):
Don't rule out additional MD-80s for spare part inventory. Particularly, relatively modest total flight-hour aircraft.

DL's has purchased older MD-80's and an MD-87 for spares before...it wouldnt surprise me if they bought more.
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Sun May 05, 2013 8:51 pm

Quoting Coronado (Reply 18):
I thought WN is responsible for the mods.


They are. I believe the 717 mods will be done at the same location as the MD-90s but, paid for by WN. There has been a lot of experience gained there by doing the MD-90s.

[Edited 2013-05-05 13:59:28]
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Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 16):
So, the 5600-series 752s are getting AVOD? I know about the 753s, however, I didn't know the 5600-series 752s will be getting AVOD as well. Also, are there really plans to install pivot bins on the entire 737 and 757 fleet? I know the 739ERs will come with the Boeing Sky Interior from the factory, however, if there are plans to install pivot bins on other narrowbodies (Heath Tecna Project Amber I presume), that would be great.

At the meeting where I was the person-in-question who disclosed this didn't elaborate on the details, it was more of just a matter of fact.
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Sun May 05, 2013 11:13 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):
Let's also remember that with the 757 drawdown, although we have 739s coming online, they need something to fly LatAm and the Caribbean. The 739 isn't exactly capable on the routes due to runway length at some of the stations.

There are ~30 757-200s delivered 1998 or later that have a lot of Delta years left. These will likely fly the few TATL and Caribbean/Lat Am routes that really need the range or take-off capability.
 
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Sun May 05, 2013 11:19 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 7):
From a rampers point of view, we like working all narrow body planes expect the MD family at least in my station.

Really? Sure a carpeted 757 is great as are the A319/20s....but the 737-700/800s (and soon enough -900) or 757 without carpet is a PITA...i'll take an MD over those beasts any day of the week.
 
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Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 11):
As the others have stated, currently, AFAWK, there are no plans to put video entertainment on them. Initially there was, but as fuel prices climbed and market volitility began to rise in late 20, we shelved those plans. But we also, at that time, shelved plans to update the 753 fleet and the 757-5600 fleet as well, but we are no going fwd to reconfigure those aircraft and the with nose-to-tail AVOD and new slimline seats, new overhead bins(pivot-style for the 757 and 737 fleet), so it with all that happening, it would not surprise me to see us revamp the MD-90 fleet close after that, providing the economy stays intact. The MD-90s are averaging these days on the 3-4 legs, so for competitive reasons, it would only make sense for us to do so.

I expect the 737(with drop downs) and M90s will end up with AVOD.

AFAIK the M90s are still pre-wired for AVOD. Not sure if they stopped this when they shelved the plans or not.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 17):

That much has been stated by Ed Bastian. They are in the market for some second hand narrowbodies in the 738/320 range and capacity class. Simply but, although the MD90 is a great airplane, it does not have the legs like the 320 or 738 to do transcons and the like. Let's also remember that with the 757 drawdown, although we have 739s coming online, they need something to fly LatAm and the Caribbean. The 739 isn't exactly capable on the routes due to runway length at some of the stations.

highly likely that Delta is going to end up topping off the 737 order with some 800s and maybe 10 more 700s. I expect it and a widebody order within the next few months.
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Mon May 06, 2013 1:26 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 27):
AFAIK the M90s are still pre-wired for AVOD. Not sure if they stopped this when they shelved the plans or not.

I thought somewhere down the acquisition line, the MD90s had stopped getting pre-wired for the AVOD....I know the seats they are putting in are not set-up for seat-back tvs in the newly acquired/re furbished 90s.
 
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Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 28):

Could be. I haven't been on many of them.

At one point they were putting in the seat backs for the same monitors as the 767/330/747 fleet. Just putting a plastic cover over the hole. Are they not all like this?
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Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 29):
At one point they were putting in the seat backs for the same monitors as the 767/330/747 fleet. Just putting a plastic cover over the hole. Are they not all like this?



Correct, initially that's how the acquired ones were coming out of refurb as. I have been on a couple that have different seats and no plastic backing for a seat monitor....granted I don't fly that beast much, so what I have seen may of just been a fluke.
 
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Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 22):
DL's has purchased older MD-80's and an MD-87 for spares before...it wouldnt surprise me if they bought more.

To date, DL has purchased 25 ex-SK/AA MD-82s, -83s, and -87s. In fact, the entire physical inventory from SK is spoken for by DL.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 27):
M90s will end up with AVOD.

I expect eventual AVOD as well; given the planned longevity of the fleet. Perhaps capex priority was given to the 744 and 763ER first?
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Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 29):
At one point they were putting in the seat backs for the same monitors as the 767/330/747 fleet. Just putting a plastic cover over the hole. Are they not all like this?

I've only flown on one MD-90, but it had the exact same seats as the MD-88s.
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Quoting LV (Reply 8):

So what are the DL second hand teams going to be looking for all over the world now?

A330s...
 
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Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 32):
I've only flown on one MD-90, but it had the exact same seats as the MD-88s.

You were most likely on one of the original 16 MD90 delivered to Delta
 
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Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 32):
I've only flown on one MD-90, but it had the exact same seats as the MD-88s.
Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 34):

You were most likely on one of the original 16 MD90 delivered to Delta

They are similar, though not exactly the same. The MD-88 seats were made by Burns Aerospace prior to their merger with B/E Aerospace, while the MD-90 seats are a newer model made after Burns was bought out by B/E.

[Edited 2013-05-06 10:28:06]
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Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 30):
Correct, initially that's how the acquired ones were coming out of refurb as. I have been on a couple that have different seats and no plastic backing for a seat monitor....granted I don't fly that beast much, so what I have seen may of just been a fluke.

No more cutouts.

The Sweet 16 are getting the new slim lines as the LED cabin lighting, new cabin laminates, and new carpet is installed. I was on 9210 last week and it was looking pretty nice with the refreshed interior.
 
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Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 35):
You were most likely on one of the original 16 MD90 delivered to Delta

It's interesting that in just a few years, the MD-90 which was mainly a rare odd duck in the Delta fleet, is now a pretty common plane to fly on for mainline domestic travel. I used to take special notice whenever I flew this plane. Now it's so common it's barely worth noticing.
 
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Amazing the ex-NW 5600 757 are getting AVOD. I think we all forget how young in 757 years these a/c are. Some were delivered new to NW as late as 2002.
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Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 31):
To date, DL has purchased 25 ex-SK/AA MD-82s, -83s, and -87s. In fact, the entire physical inventory from SK is spoken for by DL.

I thought so...

Quoting Flighty (Reply 33):
A330s...

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Quoting tommy767 (Reply 38):
Amazing the ex-NW 5600 757 are getting AVOD. I think we all forget how young in 757 years these a/c are. Some were delivered new to NW as late as 2002.

That will bring them in line with most of the 75Xs that are also pretty new. Some not so much but most with the 67XX registrations are late builds.
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Which ones of the 5600 fleet are coming up on retirement? I know 5601 went to the desert a couple weeks ago.
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Mon May 06, 2013 10:39 pm

Quoting LV (Reply 8):
So what are the DL second hand teams going to be looking for all over the world now?

The last group of DC9's off the line... lol


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Mon May 06, 2013 11:30 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 41):
Which ones of the 5600 fleet are coming up on retirement? I know 5601 went to the desert a couple weeks ago.

Does Delta have an aircraft that has a fleet number starting at 5600? Northwest's newer 757-251s started at 5635 and I do not think any of them are retirement candidates. I question the legitimacy of fleet number 5601. It's older 757s were fleet number 5501 through 5534.   
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5501 and 5503 are recent additions to the desert. I wonder if it will be permanent or just temporary. I remember the first time I worked ship 5501....it was MCO-MEM-DTW...the Door 4 jumpseat was MEL'd and had to sit in the pax seat in the last row....


ship sesries 5501-5534 is the 8 door layout, no exit windows, the 5635-5657 is the 6 door layout and 4 window exit
 
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Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 43):

My mistake. Thanks for the correction.
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Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 43):

Yes and 501 to 534 are OLD! sUA 757s from 1990 look a lot more modern than the NW 1985 builds.
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I photographed N501US at BFI before delivery. It was during the 50th anniversary of the B-17 celebration..
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Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 36):
The Sweet 16 are getting the new slim lines as the LED cabin lighting, new cabin laminates, and new carpet is installed. I was on 9210 last week and it was looking pretty nice with the refreshed interior.

9212 is also complete. I must say, with the side-wall and overhead LEDs, the cabin looks much more brighter and inviting. Also love the new darker carper. Seems to be "speckles" of white as well which gives a nice effect. Forward cabin is also finally getting in-seat power. As of the last mods, only the -88s had 110V outlets in the F seats. All MD90s are now getting in seat power with the new cabin refresh.

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Nice pics....I now relish all my MD-90 flights...I cant wait till my next one!
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