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What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Wed May 08, 2013 11:05 pm

Hello All,

During a recent trip to YVR, I spotted the aircraft in the link below, and took some photographs of it.

http://www.image120.com/aviation/h5ea31d24#h5ea31d24

I am quite unsure of what sort of plane this is.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Wed May 08, 2013 11:08 pm

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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Wed May 08, 2013 11:08 pm

Quoting BriceJohnson (Thread starter):
I am quite unsure of what sort of plane this is.

Fairchild (originally Swearingen) Metroliner, once a very common commuter aircraft. Still operated by several small regional carriers in Canada.
 
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Wed May 08, 2013 11:19 pm

What would be the specific classification?
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Wed May 08, 2013 11:20 pm

Quoting BriceJohnson (Reply 4):
What would be the specific classification?

What do you mean by classification? It's used for cargo flights.
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Wed May 08, 2013 11:27 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
What do you mean by classification? It's used for cargo flights.

At one time, Skywest had quite a fleet of these.
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Wed May 08, 2013 11:33 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
What do you mean by classification?

Well, when you are uploading an image to the queue, you are required to specify the exact type of aircraft that you are submitting. For example, you can't just say "it's a 737". You have to say (for example) "it is a Boeing 737-8EF BBJ2". So, I would like to know the exact version of the aircraft as pictured in the link below.

http://www.image120.com/aviation/h5ea31d24#h5ea31d24

Any more suggestions from anyone?

Thanks, and all the best,

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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Wed May 08, 2013 11:35 pm

Quoting BriceJohnson (Reply 7):
So, I would like to know the exact version of the aircraft as pictured in the link below.

Manufacturer: Fairchild (Swearingen)
Model: SA-227 Metroliner

Search the database for something similar to get the exact match.

EDIT: Possibly "Fairchild SA227-AT Expediter"

[Edited 2013-05-08 16:55:16]
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Wed May 08, 2013 11:55 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
Manufacturer: Fairchild (Swearingen)
Model: SA-227 Metroliner

Search the database for something similar to get the exact match.

Okay, thanks. Will do.  

Does anyone think that it is worth it to upload this image to the queue? Does it have value?

Thanks,

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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 12:00 am

AKA by some as "The San Antonio Sewer Pipe".
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 12:12 am

You know you are getting old when people start forgetting what the ol' Metro looks like. Especially if you had service to your town on Mesaba or Comair back in the day.
 
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 1:00 am

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 10):
AKA by some as "The San Antonio Sewer Pipe".

That's more gracious than what we used to call it .... "The Penisliner".
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 1:07 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
EDIT: Possibly "Fairchild SA227-AT Expediter"

Probably not, as very few were made, IIRC, and a good number of those are at Ameriflight, IIRC as well.

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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 1:14 am

That particular aircraft is registered with Transport Canada, as:

Swearingen SA 227-AC
Serial number AC-632
Built in 1986, imported to Canada in 2012.
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 1:23 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 12):
That's more gracious than what we used to call it .... "The Penisliner".

It used to be called "The little cigar".
My father flew on it once, he said it was so small inside you could not even stand in the aisle.

I remember when American Eagle used to fly those out of its then RDU hub, back in the late 80s.
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 1:37 am

What!

That's the Metroliner. I have 1,100 hours as a captain on that beast. There's even an essay in my new book that talks about flying "the Metro," as we called it.


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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 1:58 am

San Antonio Sewer Pipe aka metroliner...
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 2:53 am

Quoting BriceJohnson (Reply 9):
Does anyone think that it is worth it to upload this image to the queue? Does it have value?

Post here: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/photography_feedback/

Looks backlit/dark, though the friendly folks in the feedback forum are much better at that kind of judging.
 
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 2:56 am

The SA 227 was part of the golden era/heroic days of Crossair when it was trying to challenge Swissair back in the 1970s (long before one worked for the other). And boy is it tight in there....
 
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 3:11 am

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 10):
AKA by some as "The San Antonio Sewer Pipe".

Or the Texas Tampon.
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 10:05 am

I flew in a few of these on Skywest between FLG and PHX when I was in college. I liked that you could watch the pilots fly the plane and even hear them talk with ATC. It wasn't fun to get in and out of though, 1-1 seating till the last row 3 across for 19 total. You had to really bend over to get in and out. There was no room for a carry on and if you had one it went in the hold at boarding. The Beech 1900 was a competing commuter plane but it wasn't any more comfortable. The 1900D was a later model that allowed you to completely stand up though. A few of them are still flying with Great Lakes.
 
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 11:24 am

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 10):
AKA by some as "The San Antonio Sewer Pipe".

I like that one!! Given how small they are relative to other aircraft and given the similar "official" name, I always called them Geo Metros. Them and BAe Jetstreams used to be a very common sight at SJC in the early 1990's when AA maintained a full-size hub, including a significant American Eagle presence. Count me in the group who find it amazing that they're considered a rare sight these days...
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 12:56 pm

Horizon Air used to fly them, too. Always fun to have the pilot pull aside the curtain, give the little safety briefing, then turn back to flying duties. 19 passengers, no flight attendants.
 
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 4:08 pm

People at Southern called them Weed Eaters .
 
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 4:10 pm

Looks like four-blade props? So it's some sort of Metro III?
 
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 4:27 pm

My absolute most unfavorite plane of all time to fly on.

Very tight, and you couldn't really sit up straight.
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 4:55 pm

Metroliners, oh the joy of flying with Bearskin Airlines in Northern Ontario.

http://www.bearskinairlines.com/aircraft.shtml

As customers we call them "culverts with wings". Definitely not my favorite aircraft and I'm just average size.
 
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 5:26 pm

Quoting mpsrent (Reply 27):
Metroliners, oh the joy of flying with Bearskin Airlines in Northern Ontario.

73 Metroliners are currently registered in Canada. The two largest operators are YWG-based Perimeter Airlines with 24 and Bearskin with 17. Most of the 25 or so remote airports served by Perimeter, mostly in northern Manitoba, have gravel runways.


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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 5:57 pm

The last time I flew a Metroliner I think I was 11 or 12 and I couldn't even stand straight up in the cabin... now at 6'4" I wonder how bad it would be.
 
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Thu May 09, 2013 6:07 pm

Quoting SEA (Reply 29):
The last time I flew a Metroliner I think I was 11 or 12 and I couldn't even stand straight up in the cabin... now at 6'4" I wonder how bad it would be.

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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 6:12 pm

anyone ever pull a horizontal stab on one of these damn things?

My 10x wasn't enough for some of the hi-loks that were installed in that damn thing...
 
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 7:07 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 12):
That's more gracious than what we used to call it .... "The Penisliner".

We call them "lawn darts"

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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 8:04 pm

Also known as Lawn Darts here in Seattle.
 
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 8:45 pm

These were a great pain to work in central Florida. No APU always required a Hobart to start and always always had to have a portable A/C to cool down the cabin.
 
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 10:18 pm

Never have I ever seen as many pet names for an aircraft.

There are a few of these that regularly fly out of YYJ. They always get off the ground in a hurry!
 
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 10:19 pm

Thats a great looking plane.
 
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 10:33 pm

I never had the opportunity to fly on a Metro, but I had the pleasure one time of ground-crewing a cargo bird when I worked as a cargo ramper at GSO during college in the late '90s. I volunteered to be the one to crawl inside and push the boxes out. No ULDs, of course. It was like being inside a drain pipe.
 
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 10:48 pm

One of them had a front landing gear collapse on landing at DUB. It was carrying a cargo of lab rats.

http://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-airp...all-aircraft-crash-822245-Mar2013/

I took this picture.

     
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 10:51 pm

I flew on many flights in Metros, operated by American Eagle (nee Wings West), SkyWest (some from OO/Sunaire) and Inland Empire Airlines. You had to decide before boarding whether you wanted your jacket on or off in flight, as it was difficult to wiggle out of it once on board.

In SMF, some of the operators occasionally had difficulty opening the rear cargo door, as the Tube seemed to flex out of kilter some times. IEA and Golden Gate (nee Gem State) at least once each had to take off and land again, which ...don't ask me how... seemed to work.

Wings West, pre-American Eagle, actually briefly tried having flight attendants in them. Tiny little women dressed in green were often spotted at SFO. (They were competing with Apollo Airways out of SBA, who had an Attendant on the HP Jetstreams when the load and weight & balance would allow.)

The plug-in for the GPU was stupidly installed on the side of the right engine. I was asked by an IEA agent to help her pull it a couple of times as the plug was very tight. Extremely unnerving to be yanking on the thing, standing between the spinning prop and the wing. One false move, and it would be all over. I just couldn't imagine what idiot thought that was a good idea and how it was ever certified.
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 11:00 pm

I remember a Skywest Metro colliding with a private aircraft south of SLC. 10 people died.....this was in 1987




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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 11:05 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 40):
I remember a Skywest Metro colliding with a private aircraft south of SLC. 10 people died.....this was in 1987

Another SkyWest Metro was crushed at LAX by a landing US Air 737.
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Thu May 09, 2013 11:05 pm

I forgot the carrier, but these use to operate throughout New England to BOS as Northwest Airlink during the late 1980s-early 90s.

I got a few rides on them from PWM to BOS. Was comparable to flying on a Beech 1900.
 
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Fri May 10, 2013 1:26 am

Quoting sparky35805 (Reply 24):

Some people here in Australia call them death pencils.
 
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Fri May 10, 2013 4:53 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 41):
Another SkyWest Metro was crushed at LAX by a landing US Air 737.

An aquaintance of mine, who used to work for Skywest cargo in SLC and had just been promoted to Skywest station manager at Lancaster, CA, was killed in that incident.
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Fri May 10, 2013 8:31 am

I am surprised none of you have mentioned............

!!!!!!!!.....................THE INTERIOR NOISE............!!!!!!!! ££££££"""""%%%%%$$$+++++&&&&^^^^^

You had to bring ear plugs along to avoid a splitting headache!
 
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Fri May 10, 2013 1:21 pm

Worked on the Metro's for many years. First with Mohawk in upstate NY and later with Merlin Express at various places.

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 39):
The plug-in for the GPU was stupidly installed on the side of the right engine. I was asked by an IEA agent to help her pull it a couple of times as the plug was very tight. Extremely unnerving to be yanking on the thing, standing between the spinning prop and the wing. One false move, and it would be all over. I just couldn't imagine what idiot thought that was a good idea and how it was ever certified.

On later models it was moved to the belly between the flaps. A much safer location. Another quirk of the Texas Lawn Dart was it's inability to contain fuel. No matter what you did they leaked. Best way to tell if it had fuel was to look for the puddles on the ground.

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 39):
In SMF, some of the operators occasionally had difficulty opening the rear cargo door, as the Tube seemed to flex out of kilter some times. IEA and Golden Gate (nee Gem State) at least once each had to take off and land again, which ...don't ask me how... seemed to work.

Yes, they flexed a ton. If the cargo wasn't loaded properly the doors would not shut. Usually it was too much aft of the cargo door instead of in the door way. A large passenger exiting the plane could tweak the airstair door also.

Quoting pwm2txlhopper (Reply 42):
I forgot the carrier, but these use to operate throughout New England to BOS as Northwest Airlink during the late 1980s-early 90s

That was Northeast Express. I think they were based in PWM. Nice guys, we used to loan each other parts all the time.
 
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Fri May 10, 2013 1:23 pm

Only had the misfortune to ride in the Texas tampon once, sitting astride on a box of spares just behind the co-pilot and cockpit bulkhead. I had buds in my ears and Peltor's over that, which had the effect of reducing the noise somewhat from "Saturn 5" to "Continuous detonation of dynamite sticks'. Prior to the flight the Skipper tried convincing me it was unable to achieve flight using the agreed standards of aerodynamics, but rather depended on something called "acustical lift". Landing in Dubai after having my eardrums bashed to atoms for an hour and a half, I agreed his theory had a lot of merit. Using hand language.
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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Sat May 11, 2013 12:43 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 14):
That particular aircraft is registered with Transport Canada, as:

Swearingen SA 227-AC
Serial number AC-632
Built in 1986, imported to Canada in 2012.
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
EDIT: Possibly "Fairchild SA227-AT Expediter"

Thanks for the information guys. (And to anyone else who I missed)  

All the best,

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RE: What Kind Of Plane Is This?

Sat May 11, 2013 1:19 am

Commuter Airlines based in BGM and Empire Airlines based in UCA (later bought by Piedmonrt) both operated the "Sweatro" in the early 80's. It was one airplane that I did not like at all. As factsonly said:

Quoting factsonly (Reply 45):

!!!!!!!!.....................THE INTERIOR NOISE............!!!!!!!! ££££££"""""%%%%%$$$+++++&&&&^^^^^

On top of that, it was claustrophobic! The B1900's (even the A, B & C models with the lower ceilings) were much nicer to fly in. When Empire was transitioning from the Metro to the F28, one of the pilots told me that one of the hardest things was to slow the F28 down on landing.

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