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B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Fri May 17, 2013 11:54 pm

Interesting article about B6 in AviationWeek. Among other things, there is this piece:

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JetBlue's management has been discussing joining one of the three alliances, weighing the pros and cons in trying to figure out whether the benefits would be worth the investment. Two-way code-sharing may be a step in between or it could be as far as the airline is prepared to go for a long time. “Everything is on the table, and that includes alliances longer term,” says Laurence. JetBlue has been working with members of all three—Star, Skyteam and Oneworld. In fact, Lufthansa's 2007 investment in JetBlue was based on the assumption that it would need feed in New York. That need has diminished significantly as a result of the United-Continental merger that gave the Star alliance a hub at Newark (N.J.) Liberty International Airport.

Any guesses on which alliance is most likely? I would think oneworld and Star are the most likely.
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Sat May 18, 2013 12:28 am

Yes, I see OW as the most probable with Star second. B6 would definitely want to codeshare on AA's South American routes, and partner with LATAM for connectivity within the continent.

Skyteam is the least likely.
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 12:32 am

oW allows partners to codeshare with non-oW members, which would be attractive to B6. Isn't Star less open to that? How about Skyteam?
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 12:38 am

As much as I'd love to see Star get a new member, I have a feeling that they would pick OW for AA.
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 1:14 am

Actually, I think Star would probably make the most sense for B6 at this stage of the game, especially with the upcoming loss of the US network along the East Coast.

However, ultimately I think B6's best option would be an AS typer model for it's code shares and remain "alliance neutral".
 
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 1:16 am

Quoting flyby519 (Thread starter):
I would think oneworld and Star are the most likely.

Why Star? Since Star already has a big hub in the NYC area, like you pointed out yourself in your quote. Yes Lufthansa was at some point considering building an alliance with Jet Blue to have passenger feeding through New York, but that was 2007 when Continental was still in Sky Team.

I think it will be most likely One World because AA and B6 are already working together on code sharing with each other on some flights. Now, if that happens, JFK will be a super fortress hub for One World whilst PHL which is geographically located "next door" will also be an AA hub but to a lesser extent.

Sky Team? Maybe but less likely, because Delta itself is already very strong in JFK/LGA combined.
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 1:18 am

I love how everyone is focusing just on B6's JFK hub. What about the others? LGB? FLL? and whatever other ones that pop up? How about B6's growing Caribbean and LatAm presence?
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 1:21 am

Will there be any DOJ issues with NYC. If do OW would be the easiest to escape scrutiny as OW is smaller in NYC than the other two.
 
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 1:33 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 5):

I was thinking Star because the FLL/MCO hubs are big gaps in their network. Also it could be total NYC dominance with B6 at JFK and UA at EWR.
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 6:18 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 2):
How about Skyteam?

Skyteam allows it based on the now deceased QF-AF codeshare agreement.
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 11:54 am

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 8):
I was thinking Star because the FLL/MCO hubs are big gaps in their network. Also it could be total NYC dominance with B6 at JFK and UA at EWR.

I think so too, and I'd add BOS (bringing that hub/hublet into the Star fold) and their increasing DCA presence (as an indirect way of beefing themselves up against the combined AA/US and DL there, particularly on NEC corridor traffic). Not saying those are going to make it work by themselves, but I think those would be valuable to Star at some level.
 
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 12:01 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 5):
Sky Team? Maybe but less likely, because Delta itself is already very strong in JFK/LGA combined.

Agreed. Delta being the largest carrier (by flights) at both JFK and LGA makes them seem unlikely to me.

IMO Oneworld for sure.
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 12:59 pm

Maybe the fourth alliance will be started.....   

EK
UN
B6
HA
FI
AT
AD
W3
HU

... and then again maybe not!!!
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 1:07 pm

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 8):

You don't invite a member to join an alliance based on two leisure airports like FLL and PBI.
I can see issues no matter what alliance they join. OW would be too much concentration in south Florida. The others too much concentration in NYC
 
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 2:24 pm

oneworld! oneworld! oneworld! oneworld! AA/US should buy B6!
 
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 2:41 pm

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 13):
You don't invite a member to join an alliance based on two leisure airports like FLL and PBI.
I can see issues no matter what alliance they join. OW would be too much concentration in south Florida. The others too much concentration in NYC

I would call FLL a leisure airport as it stands today, but the potential is incredible. Once the runway construction is finished and the new FIS is completed it will be a legitimate jumping off point for South/Central America and Caribbean traffic, which is a very weak spot for Star since the LATAM merger went with OW.
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 2:42 pm

Ow would make the most sense as they already have an agreement with some ow members. B6 would also give ow a bigger presence in NYC

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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 2:48 pm

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 15):
Ow would make the most sense as they already have an agreement with some ow members. B6 would also give ow snigger presence in NYC

I generally agree with this, but since Parker is now the head of AA I wonder what the future holds for AA/B6 relations. I have heard antecdotal rumors that Parker is not in favor of putting his pax on other airlines metal, especially something domestic like jetblue.

This could be a way for jetblue to show AA/OW that if Parker doesnt play nice with B6 then they will go play nice with Star and start tossing widebodies into AA's bread and butter routes of S. America.
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 4:09 pm

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 8):
Also it could be total NYC dominance with B6 at JFK and UA at EWR.

I would not call it total dominance in NYC
 
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 4:14 pm

And here we go, from B6 mentioning in an article that they might consider joining an alliance to some mentioning AA/US purchasing B6 (yeah, right!). I say this is just B6 throwing ideas out there, their best bet is to remain independent (alliance less) and codeshare with whomever they please.
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 4:36 pm

My money is on OW but maybe they would join Star as US is leaving Star....

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 12):
Maybe the fourth alliance will be started.....

EK
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B6
HA
FI
AT
AD
W3
HU

This is something I'd strongly approve of!
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 4:49 pm

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 18):
I would not call it total dominance in NYC

UA and B6 would have more passenger traffic in the NY airports than if you added AA/US/DL.

http://www.panynj.gov/airports/pdf-traffic/MAR2013_REG.pdf

You are correct that total dominance might be a bit of a hyperbole, but it would sure be a hell of a lot more traffic in NYC than any other alliance.
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 4:54 pm

If they go with OW, would LH divest its 19% interest in JetBlue. I say they stay independent and just set up code shares with various carriers.
 
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 5:28 pm

Personally I'd like for it to be Star. With US leaving,and UA flushing itself further down the tubes, an option in the domestic network while still earning alliance miles would be nice.
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 5:48 pm

I believe alliances are beginning to lose their impact and carriers like B6 can probably accomplish just as much if not more with targeted codeshare agreements without being a member of any alliance.
 
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sat May 18, 2013 6:51 pm

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 14):

God please let that never happen!
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sun May 19, 2013 12:05 am

I think OneWorld or Star are the obvious choices, but what does B6 give to the other members of the alliances and what do the alliances do for them? Feed at JFK and to a lesser extent BOS is good, but is there anything else?
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sun May 19, 2013 3:23 am

This is not going to happen. Why limit yourself to a handfull of carrier with an alliance when you have have code shares with most of the carriers in each group? It's just management speaking open abiut an idea that will not come to be.
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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sun May 19, 2013 1:37 pm

Quoting icebird757 (Reply 27):
This is not going to happen. Why limit yourself to a handfull of carrier with an alliance when you have have code shares with most of the carriers in each group? It's just management speaking open abiut an idea that will not come to be.

I agree.

B6 is in a unique situation because it has chosen to forge international partnerships with a large variety of airlines. Its most prominent international partners are EI - which uses B6's T5 @ JFK - and EK - the first choice for two-way code agreements. Neither of these carriers are in one of the 3 major alliances.

JFK is an international mecca with service from over 70 international carriers - many of which serve JFK as their only US destination. Conveniently, B6 is the largest domestic carrier at JFK. Why cut off opportunities to code share with the majority of these carriers instead of limiting yourself to just alliance partners?

BOS is a much smaller international market, but B6 does have a very large domestic operation which will grow to 150 flights. Being in an alliance would allow B6 to only codeshare on a handful of international markets via BOS. Also keep in mind that DFW/BWI/PHL/RIC/PIT are not connected to JFK.

An alliance does not fit the B6 business model.

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RE: B6 Contemplates Joining An Alliance

Sun May 19, 2013 6:05 pm

Quoting jetbluefan1 (Reply 28):
Being in an alliance would allow B6 to only codeshare on a handful of international markets via BOS.

Thought I agree on alliance not fitting their business model, B6 could still codeshare and/or buddy up with anyone they please after joining one.

Did being in OneWorld stop QF from making the joint venture with EK?
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