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BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 12:55 pm

Relatively recently there was a now archived thread about activity around BA's Concorde G-BOAB that has been hidden away on various ramps on the BA LHR Maintenance Area for some time:

G-BOAB With A Jetbridge At LHR? (by spacemanuk Feb 20 2012 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5393211&searchid=5393249&s=boab#ID5393249

I've just noted on page 21 of the May edition of "high life", the BA in-flight magazine the following:

"BA's remaining [Concorde], G-BOAB, will soon be visible to aircraft taking off from runways 27L and R at Heathrow"

Sounds as if they plan to move it back to or near to where it was previously parked before it disappeared into the depths of their Maintenance Area. Perhaps this restoration has something to do with progress in construction work associated with the redevelopment of the east side of the airport's central area?

Whatever. Although it will still be remotely parked at least it will be back in general view.
 
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 1:48 pm

Its been in its new spot for a few months now, next to the BA hanger close to 27L?

is it moving again from there?
 
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 2:45 pm

Quoting flyingthe757 (Reply 1):
is it moving again from there?

Note the date of the article - May 2013 - and the statement (by BA) that it "will SOON be visible" from aircraft "TAKING OFF from" both 27L and 27R at LHR (my emphasis).

When I last saw it a few weeks back it was totally invisible from any aircraft departing from either 27L or 27R.
 
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 2:51 pm

T5 Gateguard would be nice   - do we think it will be at the maintenance end or T5 end?
 
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 2:52 pm

It always struck me as unfortunate for BA that they only just managed to get rid of the Trident which had been sitting around uselessly at Heathrow, and now they're stuck with a Concorde that is similarly as useless.

It would be nice if it was taken away to a museum - or put permanently on display at Heathrow so people could go on it. At the moment it's useless, useless, useless. But always pleasant to see  
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 3:36 pm

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 3):
do we think it will be at the maintenance end or T5 end?

Since BA have said that it will be visible from departing aircraft on runways 27R and 27L it seems to me that it will almost be certainly at the east (Maintenance Base) end. If it was to be near T5 I think it more probable BA would have said it could be seen from aircraft departing on 09.R
 
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 5:09 pm

BA should hang their heads in shame. Letting the iconic aircraft just loll around at the airport with no designated place for those who visit to see is a travesty.

A, it's a massive marketing opportunity and B, people marvel at Concorde for the many things it was. Fast, ahead of its time and simply stunning to look at.

It would be great if they could find a space at T5, though space is a premium. I guess its new space will do until they decide again what to do with it... I just hope its being looked after. They have a duty to keep it in good condition, it's an icon.
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 5:16 pm

Quoting btblue (Reply 6):
It would be great if they could find a space at T5, though space is a premium. I guess its new space will do until they decide again what to do with it... I just hope its being looked after. They have a duty to keep it in good condition, it's an icon.

Last I saw she was still in great condition. The Engineering staff take pride in the bird.
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 5:23 pm

Quoting btblue (Reply 6):

Yeah... Because they let other 6 go straight to the scrap man didn't they?  

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G-BOAB - Heathrow Airport

G-BOAC - Manchester Airport view park

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G-BOAE - Grantley Adams Airport, Bridgetown, Barbados

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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 5:31 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 5):
Since BA have said that it will be visible from departing aircraft on runways 27R and 27L it seems to me that it will almost be certainly at the east (Maintenance Base) end

They should find a place for it where it's more visible, not just to departing aircraft, like the AF Concorde at CDG which is readily seen from many taxiing aircraft.


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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 5:41 pm

They should have put it somewhere in all that empty space by the T5 roundabout (ideally inside the T5 roundabout would have been nice, but it looks like it would be a tight fit).
 
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 5:49 pm

Agreed the roundabout leading to T5 would be perfect for it. Also a great advert for BA.
 
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 5:57 pm

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 8):

Absolutely - and that was a great thing to do, for others to enjoy.

My point is the last remaining Concorde... they should showcase it - at Heathrow.

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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 5:58 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):

Absolutely - that's what I was thinking along the lines of. Of course, these things cost money but I'm sure something similar would go down well - especially at Terminal 5.
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 6:22 pm

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 11):

I am positive it was supposed to go there at one point..
 
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 7:22 pm

I suspect the magazine is playing catchup and it's staying put. It's visibile on taxi out for 27L departures outside the Cathedral hangar which is as good as it's going to get.
 
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 8:29 pm

for one minute i though its going to take off from LHR 
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 9:10 pm

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 11):
Agreed the roundabout leading to T5 would be perfect for it. Also a great advert for BA.

That's a nice place for a piece of BA nostalgia, but it would be out of sight for most of Heathrow's visitors. Majority of passengers arrive by tube and train, and most of those who arrive by car go to terminals 1, 2, 3 & 4. T5 roundabout is un-noticeable by most passengers on the ground. View from inside aircraft departing rwy 27L & 27R is also difficult as aircraft are usually high up by the time they reach T5.

I still cannot find a location that will be viewable from BOTH rwys 27 L & R .. Unless on the roof of T5 .. LOL
Halfway across the maintenance area will also be far from both runways

Any suggestions?
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 9:12 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 5):
Since BA have said that it will be visible from departing aircraft on runways 27R and 27L it seems to me that it will almost be certainly at the east (Maintenance Base) end. If it was to be near T5 I think it more probable BA would have said it could be seen from aircraft departing on 09.R

If it was at the T5 end it would still be visible as the aircraft climbed out. Granted on the East side, one side of the aircraft could see whilst taxiing to the runway and the side when lining up - as opposed to just one side in the climb.
 
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 10:57 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 10):
They should have put it somewhere in all that empty space by the T5 roundabout (ideally inside the T5 roundabout would have been nice, but it looks like it would be a tight fit).
Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 11):
Agreed the roundabout leading to T5 would be perfect for it. Also a great advert for BA.

This was an idea I put forward back in 2008 sometime as T5 was opening, however it subsequently was revealed that the T5 roundabout was not strong enough to hold the aircraft. Whether that's true still, I don't know.
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 11:03 pm

They should stick it on top of the main T5 building  
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 11:20 pm

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 8):
G-BOAD - Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum, New York

That is another Concorde that deserves better treatment than being shunted off to Floyd Bennett Field, having its nose broken, then back to corrode in the open maritime air at the museum. It should either be housed and displayed properly or given and shipped (yes, expensively) to another location where it will be taken care of.

As I understand it, the planes are still BA property, entrusted and on loan to the museums.
 
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sat May 18, 2013 11:37 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
They should find a place for it where it's more visible, not just to departing aircraft, like the AF Concorde at CDG which is readily seen from many taxiing aircraft.

As I indicated in the thread opener I believe that 'AB was removed from its former display position between the holding areas for aircraft departing from either 27L and 27R because of the construction of the new T1. As I have already indicated I believe it will be moved back to its original or a nearby display position. This will make it visible from all aircraft taxiing to these holding areas and again as they start their take-off roll. It will also be visible from some aircraft taxiing to and from T1 whichever runway they have already or are about to use. I cannot identify any other area at LHR where it could be parked and seen by passengers on more aircraft. So it would be interesting to learn of any such location you have in mind.

We cannot blame BA for the current absence of an aircraft from their fleet on display at LHR. The only part of LHR controlled by BA is their Maintenance Area on which they own a 150 year ground lease. And that is where 'AB has spent the last several years.

Before Concorde was retired the best part of ten years ago every aircraft in BA's fleet was offered out on non-chargeable loan to locations deemed appropriate by BA. Each of the recipients on this offer excepting only Heathrow Airport Ltd accepted the offer and long ago provided appropriate parking and / or viewing facilities (although 'AF has been temporarily removed from display while new display facilities are built) :

'AA is undercover at East Fortune Museum of Flight, Edinburgh and can be viewed internally and externally

'AC is also kept undercover and can be viewed internally and externally at the Visitors' Park, MAN

'AD is at the Intrepid Sea/Air/Space Museum, on the Hudson, New York and can be viewed internally and externally

'AE is housed under cover and offers the visitor a comprehensive Concorde Experience at BGI

'AF will be housed in the new Bristol Aerospace Centre currently under construction at a cost of £13 million

'AG is parked outside at the Museum of Flight at Seattle can be toured by visitors

How, where, if and when 'AB finds a permanent location at its operational home for so many years is down to Heathrow Airport Ltd and not BA. The airline can only agree to or reject any proposal HAL make. But the above brief description of BA Concorde locations illustrates the efforts those organisations backed by BA have made to preserve an important technological heritage.
 
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sun May 19, 2013 9:21 am

I saw it last week when landing on 27L - looked like it was on a plinth near the end of 27L - but the BA maintenance base seems to be blocking most of the view from 27R.
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sun May 19, 2013 9:56 am

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 11):
Agreed the roundabout leading to T5 would be perfect for it. Also a great advert for BA.

Trouble is BAA wants paying for the space.
The Concorde model left the M4 spur roundabout because Emirates had more cash than BA.
(wonder where it went?) I can't see BA paying to place the Concorde on BAA land.
 
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Sun May 19, 2013 6:25 pm

[quote=Tristarsteve,reply=24]

G-CONC, the Concorde model that used to be on the M4 entrance is now down the road at the entrance to Brooklands Museum in Weybridge, Surrey. Kind of a gate guardian again and a preview to G-BBDG, and painted in the 1970's BA livery to match.
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RE: BA Concorde To Be Moved

Mon May 20, 2013 12:27 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):

They should find a place for it where it's more visible, not just to departing aircraft, like the AF Concorde at CDG which is readily seen from many taxiing aircraft.

All the leftover space in that area of the airport will be used for construction in a near or more distant future. It is prime land in a prime business area a couple of minutes walk from direct transport to Paris and beyond. My guess is that at some point or other the strip of land might be sold/leased to host more hotels or office buildings and Concorde F-BVFF might have to be moved to a different location.

I always walk over there rain or shine every time I fly out of CDG. This was from a couple of weeks ago. One will get a different view air side but this is the outlook from land side by the hotels and office buildings.


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Quoting 802flyguy (Reply 21):
That is another Concorde that deserves better treatment than being shunted off to Floyd Bennett Field, having its nose broken, then back to corrode in the open maritime air at the museum. It should either be housed and displayed properly or given and shipped (yes, expensively) to another location where it will be taken care of.

Singapore her former second home. She would look fabulous by the ATC tower repainted in her original British Airways/Singapore Airlines livery. Concorde G-BOAD would become the pride of Changi Airport. Just a dream of mine. Paya Lebar airport would be another option but how to get her there is a whole different story.

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 23):
I saw it last week when landing on 27L - looked like it was on a plinth near the end of 27L

I happened to be at LHR most recently. This is the view I had from the Skyteam Business lounge. I could not keep my eyes off her. It was a real treat!

These new jets look totally outdated comparing with Concorde.

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Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 24):
Trouble is BAA wants paying for the space.

BAA are a business. They are there to make money. Give them any piece of prime historical value they will want to profit from it.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde

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