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19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 6:16 pm

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...ide-teen-qualifies-one-uks-3815223

Joins Ryanair in September. That may be a record for the youngest commercial jet pilot.

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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 6:29 pm

I don't think it's a record. Lots of airlines with cadet schemes (BA, Aer Lingus etc) have had plenty of 19 year old FO's in the past.
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 6:33 pm

Am I the only one who finds this kind of frightening? I think back to me as an 18/19 year old pilot, I don't know that I'd have flown with me! lol

A 737 with 170 people on it isn't really the place to cut your teeth.
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 6:38 pm

The young First Officer on that video must not be a lot more older...

http://youtu.be/Jz8UORc-1B4
 
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 6:49 pm

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 2):
I don't think it's a record. Lots of airlines with cadet schemes (BA, Aer Lingus etc) have had plenty of 19 year old FO's in the past.

On that subject, yesterday I came across the following long video from 1970, covering BOAC's pilot training scheme (jointly operated with BEA) where they trained new pilots from scratch, most of them just out of the equivalent of high school. Their air training college at Hamble was shut down in the 1980s. Includes some good VC-10 (and DHC-1 Chipmunk) footage. All the young trainees featured in the video would now be retired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03ppjh8lg_8

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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 8:16 pm

Heard of a 21 year old ATR Captain in India. It think it was wi IT.
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 8:23 pm

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 1):

As far as I know EI exclude applications from people who have just finished secondary school (usually 18 years old) in Ireland.
That would probably mean the youngest qualified pilots would probably be 20 years old.
 
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 9:06 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 2):
Am I the only one who finds this kind of frightening? I think back to me as an 18/19 year old pilot, I don't know that I'd have flown with me! lol

A 737 with 170 people on it isn't really the place to cut your teeth.

Not everyone is the same at 18/19. Some kids are mature and ready for the responsibility at that age and some people are never really ready for it. I don't think the number of people on the aircraft should really make a difference either. I hope this isn't a case of hiring someone just to make headlines. I hate to think that way, but it is Ryanair.
 
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 9:46 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 2):
Am I the only one who finds this kind of frightening? I think back to me as an 18/19 year old pilot, I don't know that I'd have flown with me!

Frightening ? Not at all. Age is not everything. You can be an 18 y.o. and feel very responsible and involved in your duty, and you can also be a grey head with many flying hours and perform so badly that the FAA has to step into your cockpit during several months to see how you perform with other crew members and what's wrong with you before your company decides to send you in retirement. That's what happened with Pan Am some 40+ years ago.
 
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 10:48 pm

Quoting silentbob (Reply 7):
Not everyone is the same at 18/19. Some kids are mature and ready for the responsibility at that age and some people are never really ready for it
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 9):
Frightening ? Not at all. Age is not everything. You can be an 18 y.o. and feel very responsible and involved in your duty, and you can also be a grey head with many flying hours and perform so badly that the FAA has to step into your cockpit during several months to see how you perform with other crew members and what's wrong with you before your company decides to send you in retirement. That's what happened with Pan Am some 40+ years ago.

I will concede that age isn't that important, but what's this kid got for flight experience? If Oxford Aviation Academy is anything like the pilot factories here in the states, I'd be very leery. A 737 is a big jet, and Ryanair flies all over the place. I don't want my potential PIC to be some kid who's most "seasoned" experience was flying a 2-seater through some clouds.
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 11:02 pm

I know a 19 year old first officer flying the B777 with KLM. Not a big deal at all.
 
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 11:03 pm

Reminds me of this video, he is pretty young too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m5SsW6u3oE
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 11:06 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Thread starter):
Joins Ryanair in September. That may be a record for the youngest commercial jet pilot.

Too young to be covered by minimum wage legislation, knowing O'leary he would probably earn more working at KFC.
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 11:07 pm

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 14):

FR seem to pay their pilots well....eventually.

As much as I would love to do it, I don't envy the kid with the workload and fatigue he's going to suffer.
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 11:14 pm

19 years old is far too young and inexperienced to fly a 737. I don't care how mature you are, experience is experience. I would definitely not put a family member on a jetliner with a 19 year old crew member. Not gonna happen.
 
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 11:15 pm

But you all are just fine with our politicians letting 23-24 yr olds fly fast jets with weapons who may only have a little more time than this 19 year old?? Don't the RAAF let kids straight from high school go to flight school unlike the USAF/USN? So their pilots would be only a little older than this 19 year old!
 
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 11:20 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 17):

But you all are just fine with our politicians letting 23-24 yr olds fly fast jets with weapons who may only have a little more time than this 19 year old?? Don't the RAAF let kids straight from high school go to flight school unlike the USAF/USN? So their pilots would be only a little older than this 19 year old!

23-23 years old is definitely young, however a significant difference over a 19 year old. I will also say, that while I have gone through both military and civilian training, you cannot compare the two when it comes to initital training and experience. Military training, at least in the US is quite intense.
 
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 11:20 pm

I wonder if Ryanair are taking part in the governments new Apprentice scheme, to get young people back into work?!

If so they will only need to pay him £2.65 per hour!  
 
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 11:24 pm

Wow I had no idea some airlines out there hired such young pilots. Everyone here keeps saying age doesn't matter, but IMO it absolutely does. Even if the person is extremely intelligent and mature, he or she simply does not have the experience that someone who is older does. I for one would be a little concerned if there was a 19 year old up front and something went wrong.
Now besides all that, what does impress me is to be that age and fly such large and complex aircraft. Infact I'm jealous! One recent example and even though not as young as the pilots mentioned in this thread, one of the pilots who recently died in the National 747-400 was I believe only 32 or 33 (my age). Prior to the 74 he was on the DC8. For an American company that's impressive. From my understanding he was an excellent pilot and I have so much respect for someone that can get so far at such a young age. If I was flying 747s right now I would feel like the man lol.
 
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 11:25 pm

Quoting aluminumtubing (Reply 16):
I would definitely not put a family member on a jetliner with a 19 year old crew member.

Then you better stay away from airlines like BA or Lufthansa. Lufthansa have part of their flight academy here in AZ. They train the vast majority of their pilots ab initio, including many 18-year-old high school graduates - who will be 20, when they start working as first officers on a B737 or A320.
 
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 11:33 pm

Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 21):
Then you better stay away from airlines like BA or Lufthansa. Lufthansa have part of their flight academy here in AZ. They train the vast majority of their pilots ab initio, including many 18-year-old high school graduates - who will be 20, when they start working as first officers on a B737 or A320

While I stand by my original comment, I will have to say that I have flown in the jumpseat with Lufthansa and they are absolutely top notch. I am familiar with Lufthansa's ab initio training and if there would be an exception I was comfortable with, they would definitely be it. Lufthansa is a good measuring stick, that I don't believe many airlines can live up to. There are always exceptions to every rule as they say, but I stand by my comment that a 19 year old just doesn't have the experience. Since I only have 38 years flying experience, I may not be the best judge.  

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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 11:38 pm

Ironically, in Europe the minimum age to obtain a full private pilot's license is 17, but you'd have to have someone drive you to the airport (or ride your bicycle) since you have to be 18 to drive a car in almost all countries in Europe (very few exceptions at 17 including the UK and Ireland).

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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 11:41 pm

So we are fine with young people flying military jets with weapons capable to tearing lives and families apart and wiping cities off maps, yet someone flying commercial it's an issue.. Wow.
 
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 11:43 pm

Having seen at my brother´s two pubs how hard the pilots in their 20s and 30s of certain airlines here in Mexico, one that also flies 737s party all night and then drive straight to the airport for their days´ flying, the age of what seems to be a mature young man is really not in my priority of concerns.
 
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 11:52 pm

Quoting zkokq (Reply 24):
So we are fine with young people flying military jets with weapons capable to tearing lives and families apart and wiping cities off maps, yet someone flying commercial it's an issue.. Wow.

The issue is not young people in and of itself. In the US, we don't have any 19 year olds flying supersonic jets and wreaking havoc. There is 19, then there are college graduates at 23-24 years of age with more maturity and experience. I don't think you have to be 50 years old, but 19..... I know some at 19 are more mature than some at 60, but I also don't think 80 year olds should be piloting commercial jets either. This is just MY opinion, Nothing more....

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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sat May 18, 2013 11:54 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 17):

But you all are just fine with our politicians letting 23-24 yr olds fly fast jets with weapons who may only have a little more time than this 19 year old??

Apples and oranges. Actually, considering what it takes to not only obtain a commission but also to pass UPT and get fighters, it's more like apples to tires.

Quoting zkokq (Reply 24):

So we are fine with young people flying military jets with weapons capable to tearing lives and families apart and wiping cities off maps, yet someone flying commercial it's an issue.. Wow.

I see you're trying to make a comparison here that was never inferred or intended, and on top of that you're needlessly and selfishly bringing emotion into it by saying "tearing lives and families apart?" Where did you learn to interact with other people? It's not even in the same universe as what we're talking about!

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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sun May 19, 2013 12:00 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 27):
I see you're trying to make a comparison here that was never inferred or intended, and on top of that you're needlessly and selfishly bringing emotion into it by saying "tearing lives and families apart?" Where did you learn to interact with other people? It's not even in the same universe as what we're talking about!

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Sun May 19, 2013 12:02 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 27):

You seem to think that a 19 year old is incapable of performing in a high performance environment. I don't think some seasoned Pilots can perform. Lets look at AF447 as well as multiple crashes around the world. Age is a number, not a calculation of how capable and mature someone is.

Bringing emotion into it? Yeah no dramas, at least I am not sending out personal insults.
 
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sun May 19, 2013 12:04 am

Quoting zkokq (Reply 29):
Bringing emotion into it? Yeah no dramas, at least I am not sending out personal insults.

Please quote for me the personal insult to which you are referring.

Quoting zkokq (Reply 29):
Age is a number, not a calculation of how capable and mature someone is.

Which is why I said his age didn't matter. What I did say was that his flight experience, or potential lack thereof, is the issue.
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sun May 19, 2013 12:12 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 30):

Questioning where I learnt to interact, for me that's an insult and rude, as well as not needed.

You think FR is just going to throw him into a cockpit straight away? I don't think they will. He will do his time like everyone else.
 
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Sun May 19, 2013 12:19 am

Quoting zkokq (Reply 31):
Questioning where I learnt to interact, for me that's an insult and rude, as well as not needed.

I think it was an entirely valid question. You crafted your argument so that anyone who disagrees with you would appear to be in support of the, what, "tearing apart of families," as you said. That's pretty unnecessarily manipulative, unfair, and irrelevant. But by questioning your motivation for arguing in such a manner, I'm the one being insulting?! I really am curious where you learned this stuff now.

Quoting zkokq (Reply 31):
You think FR is just going to throw him into a cockpit straight away? I don't think they will. He will do his time like everyone else.

Well that's what we're discussing! I'm not familiar with these so called "pilot cadet" programs. What's next for this kid? Towing banners? Flying sightseeing tours? Or is he going into a 737?
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sun May 19, 2013 12:45 am

Quoting aluminumtubing (Reply 16):
19 years old is far too young and inexperienced to fly a 737. I don't care how mature you are, experience is experience.

Experience, like Lionair when a 15000!!! hours captain does nothing when his youger f/o struggles, until the very last seconds when he takes over and crash in the sea...
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Sun May 19, 2013 12:59 am

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 38):
Experience, like Lionair when a 15000!!! hours captain does nothing when his youger f/o struggles, until the very last seconds when he takes over and crash in the sea...

First off, there are obviously lousy "experienced" pilots. Can't argue that. As far as Lion Air is concerned, I never comment on an accident until I see the full complete report. In looking at the user profiles, I don't see where many of those posting comments on the appropriateness of 19 year olds in the cockpit are pilots themselves, knowing what the job entails. I am certainly not the brightest guy in the world, but with 25,000 hours flying, most with a major airline, and having trained many, many pilots, many of whom became airline pilots, I think I have a valid opinion on the subject.
 
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Sun May 19, 2013 1:16 am

Quoting aluminumtubing (Reply 40):
I am certainly not the brightest guy in the world, but with 25,000 hours flying, most with a major airline, and having trained many, many pilots, many of whom became airline pilots, I think I have a valid opinion on the subject.

As long as pilots with many hours of experience at all sorts of airlines still make serious errors causing serious incidents/accidents, experience is absolutely no guarantee for safety in my opinion.
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Sun May 19, 2013 1:25 am

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 42):
As long as pilots with many hours of experience at all sorts of airlines still make serious errors causing serious incidents/accidents, experience is absolutely no guarantee for safety in my opinion.

Other than death and taxes, there are absolutely no guarantees in life. And yes, experienced pilots make mistakes. Experience does not guarantee perfection. To say so, would be absurd. But if you honestly don't think experience means anything, I give up as this discussion has entered into the irrational.
 
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Sun May 19, 2013 1:32 am

Quoting trex8 (Reply 17):
Don't the RAAF let kids straight from high school go to flight school unlike the USAF/USN? So their pilots would be only a little older than this 19 year old!

AFAIK, the USAF requires a pilot to be an officer and an officer has to have a college degree.
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Sun May 19, 2013 1:43 am

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 42):
As long as pilots with many hours of experience at all sorts of airlines still make serious errors causing serious incidents/accidents, experience is absolutely no guarantee for safety in my opinion.

But that doesn't make the opposite true. Experience, while not a guarantee, is ALWAYS better than no experience… 100% of the time.

Quoting mayor (Reply 44):
AFAIK, the USAF requires a pilot to be an officer and an officer has to have a college degree.

Correct, you need a 4 year degree. Add on a year for UPT and you've got a bare minimum age of about 23/24. But like I said, completely different scenario and not worth comparing. Military training is nothing like civilian training.
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Sun May 19, 2013 1:53 am

FWIW, my former carrier - a large Part 121 regional - hired a 19 year old pilot.

She was well qualified and came from a flying family. Before our carrier, she had flown at a Part 135 commuter.

As I recall, she had the letter for the ATP before she turned 21 and began flying captain just a few days after her twenty-third birthday.

Her flying reputation was pretty strong and even the old crusty skippers spoke well of her abilities.
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Sun May 19, 2013 2:33 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 34):
I think it was an entirely valid question. You crafted your argument so that anyone who disagrees with you would appear to be in support of the, what, "tearing apart of families," as you said. That's pretty unnecessarily manipulative, unfair, and irrelevant. But by questioning your motivation for arguing in such a manner, I'm the one being insulting?! I really am curious where you learned this stuff now.

Actually it is a very legitimate way of arguing. It isn't manipulative at all, it is something any philosophy major would tell you is a tactic in any argument. So to say that where he or she learned this is insulting since virtually every major university that has a philosophy program teaches it.

Argue on the facts don't insult.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 45):
Correct, you need a 4 year degree. Add on a year for UPT and you've got a bare minimum age of about 23/24. But like I said, completely different scenario and not worth comparing. Military training is nothing like civilian training.

Here is a valid argument to his or her comment.

With that being said, airline training in Europe and in the US are very different so comparing your experience in the US to the training in Europe is like comparing apples to tires as you say.

Also to say that military training is nothing like civilian training is comparing your experiences, I know pilots that have washed out of US Airline programs to go work for the USAF as fighter pilots. USAF training is good don't get me wrong, but there are also fantastic civilian training programs out there, most of which are in Europe or at least are based out of European airlines.
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Sun May 19, 2013 2:35 am

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 46):
she had the letter for the ATP before she turned 21

I received my private license at 17 (and no, my parents did not pay for it), my instrument rating at 18 (and no, my parents did not pay for that either) a thousand hours half way through college and my ATP letter at 21 as well prior to entering the USAF. I was very fortunate to have had some excellent opportunities by working hard for some people who offered me some good opportunities, but I certainly was not ready in any way shape or form to sit right seat in a 737 at 19. But then, I am just an average guy.
 
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sun May 19, 2013 3:00 am

I honestly don't think this is a big deal. One thing I've noticed with pilots is they seem to be more mature than most at the same age. If you walk on my campus you can pretty much point out the aviation students. The maturity level is generally higher. If he meets the requirements for the job, and has completed all his training, I say let him fly. I for sure think being a CFI for a few years is the smarter choice, but that is his decision to make.
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Sun May 19, 2013 3:10 am

Quoting mpdpilot (Reply 38):
So to say that where he or she learned this is insulting since virtually every major university that has a philosophy program teaches it.

You guys have weird definitions of "insulting," but if that's actually a style of arguing that's being promoted I'm happy to go ahead and insult it as it accomplishes nothing. I don't see how it matters anyway, it's still not what any of us said, so to insinuate that we would rather have a 19 year old blow up a farming village than fly a jetliner is absurd to an extreme.

Quoting mpdpilot (Reply 38):
Argue on the facts don't insult.

How about argue on facts don't insinuate?

Quoting mpdpilot (Reply 38):
most of which are in Europe or at least are based out of European airlines.

So, for like the 17th time, can someone shed some light on these programs? I've asked twice already what the plan is for this guy now that he's "hired" at Ryanair.

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Sun May 19, 2013 3:13 am

Quoting vio (Reply 8):
Quoting aluminumtubing (Reply 16):

And yet the worst aviation accident in history was caused by one of the highest, if not the highest seniority (I can't remember exactly) pilot of KLM, which killed over 500 people.

Everyone takes the same test, it shouldn't matter if they are 19 or 50.

And talking about maturity. A little DUI statistic... In 2010, 89% of all Drunk drivers were between 21 and 44 years old with 34% being between 21-24.
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Sun May 19, 2013 3:18 am

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 42):
A little DUI statistic... In 2010, 89% of all Drunk drivers were between 21 and 44 years old with 34% being between 21-24.

So, if 89% of drunk drivers are 21-44, and, what 65% of pilots are also 21-44, then… all pilots are alcoholics?

I guess that's about right.  
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Sun May 19, 2013 3:27 am

Quoting aluminumtubing (Reply 20):
While I stand by my original comment, I will have to say that I have flown in the jumpseat with Lufthansa and they are absolutely top notch. I am familiar with Lufthansa's ab initio training and if there would be an exception I was comfortable with, they would definitely be it.

ANA, CX, SQ, and several others run similar programs. Are you any less comfortable with the young people they train up? It's fair to say good training/operational standards and the hiring of individuals who can consistently perform to them are equally as important as experience.
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Sun May 19, 2013 3:28 am

Quoting zkokq (Reply 22):
So we are fine with young people flying military jets with weapons capable to tearing lives and families apart and wiping cities off maps, yet someone flying commercial it's an issue.. Wow.

We're talking about, at least, a 4-5 year age difference, for one thing. And, besides that, you do realize that there are other military a/c out there besides fighters and bombers, right? Hope that isn't TOO insulting..........

Quoting zkokq (Reply 29):
Questioning where I learnt to interact, for me that's an insult and rude, as well as not needed.

May seem like it to you, but it was a valid question. If you're too thin-skinned to see that, maybe you shouldn't be in this discussion.

Quoting zkokq (Reply 29):
You think FR is just going to throw him into a cockpit straight away? I don't think they will. He will do his time like everyone else.

And where else would FR put him? Apparently, FR doesn't have a "training program", per se, so I can't see anywhere else for him to sit, other than the right seat. Back in the old days, he might have been an engineer, and, in fact, I've seen some flight engineers on 727s that looked like they just got out of high school.
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sun May 19, 2013 4:25 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 43):

Come on now, didn't you watch Flight? You forgot the Coke...  

My point though, is people are talking about 19 years olds that are not involved in aviation. I don't know, maybe I just give people too much credit. But I know, myself being 20, I won't drink, even when given the opportunity to at a place where I know I wouldn't have to drive and wouldn't even be bothered, because I have too much invested in my career so far and can't afford to be caught underage.

Though, even when I do turn 21, I still don't see me drinking as I just don't have any desire to.
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sun May 19, 2013 6:11 am

Nice to see some young flightcrew. Keep in mind that airliners have two seats up front for good reason.   When most first officers start regular flying they also have a training captain sitting behind them for their first ~30 sectors. I assume that this period is longer for those who have been through an ab-initio program.

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 46):
I don't know, maybe I just give people too much credit. But I know, myself being 20, I won't drink, even when given the opportunity to at a place where I know I wouldn't have to drive and wouldn't even be bothered, because I have too much invested in my career so far and can't afford to be caught underage.

Though, even when I do turn 21, I still don't see me drinking as I just don't have any desire to.

This is a very good attitude. I do similar.
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sun May 19, 2013 7:35 am

I was extremely fortunate to become a Captain at OO at 25, and a Captain at WN by 30. In my humble opinion, experience matters. So does training. So does judgement. These are all elements of a responsible pilot - none of which can be ignored, all of of which must be exercised.
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RE: 19-year-old Ryanair Pilot

Sun May 19, 2013 8:07 am

I am old enough to remember when the flight attendants were 19 and the flight crew, pilots and engineers, were relatively senior. Perhaps now the grey hairs are all back in the passenger cabin.

Of course many of those guys up front started in WWII, when they were very young indeed and had been tested in ways that flying for an airline does not replicate.

W/C Guy Gibson, who led the Dambuster raid, being commemorated this week, was born in 1918, he was an RAF pilot in 1937. He was only 24 when he commanded 617 squadron and only 26 when he died.