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Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 7:02 am

Flybe will suspend all LGW routes from March 2014 after selling their slots to Easyjet.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-22629518


I wonder if the operation will move to another London airport?
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 9:22 am

I'm not surprised, this has been coming for a long time now. The question is, will easyJet continue to serve some routes, albeit on a reduced frequency, or will some UK regions lose their links to the capital?


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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 9:26 am

It is still subject to shareholder agreement, Easyjet have announced it will use slots to expand services but did not mention if it will serve Belfast, probably due to high regionsl APD charges
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 9:31 am

Nowadays LGW is increasingly an O & D airport rather than connecting hub. I don't see how, hypothetically, routes moving from LGW to STN will affect long haul connectivity all that much as these flights go from Heathrow. Travel into Central London is easier from Gatwick but there isn't all that much in it, and from STN you are straight into the City.

If you want to connect to the US from Inverness via Flybe then you can always go through MAN! Likewise through MAN on to Middle East carriers.

If we were talking about losing INV-LHR flights then that is a totally different matter.
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 10:08 am

Quoting bendewire (Reply 2):
Easyjet have announced it will use slots to expand services but did not mention if it will serve Belfast, probably due to high regionsl APD charges

easyJet are long established already on LGW-ABZ/INV/BFS so I guess we'll see IOM/BHD/JER/GCI/NQY dropped.
Aurigny will pick up the slack on GCI.
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 11:19 am

Shame to see FlyBe having to cut its operations. I thought they were doing really well and only last year I believe they were talking about expansion.

Do you think more people are flying longhaul now rather than short or domestic routes as the economy slightly improves?
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 11:33 am

easyJet tried and failed to make BHD work for them, they WILL keep their BFS service but EI will now have the monopoly!
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 11:53 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 4):
guess we'll see IOM/BHD/JER/GCI/NQY dropped.

There was an emailed statement from BE today, which mentioned high airport charges and APD for its decision. It has also been mentioned that U2 would operate the LGW-JER route for ten months, then make a decision (which no doubt would involve some support from the Jersey authorities!) about its future. GCI will go, but IOM might have a chance, because U2 already serves it from LPL.

The big problem for JER is that U2 tends not to nightstop, which means that there will be no overnight flight. That's a very important thing from a Jersey perspective. However, whatever happens, I hope that U2 jacks up capacity sharply; BE downgraded the JER service to 175s (from 195s) and the overall capacity drop has had an effect on fares.
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 12:02 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
IOM might have a chance, because U2 already serves it from LPL.

And daily from LGW.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
The big problem for JER is that U2 tends not to nightstop, which means that there will be no overnight flight.

True, but EZY does overnight where necessary and it could decide against a multiple-daily operation and just fly daily catering more to leisure passengers. Who knows? Anyway, this early morning thing need not be an issue, slots permitting, given the very short block time on LGW-JER-LGW (55/60 minutes), although there would likely be LF and yield implications. Guess we will see what materialises.

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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 12:03 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
That's a very important thing from a Jersey perspective

At least BA are still there, plus SI to LCY. GCI is more concerning because it leaves GR with a monopoly from the Island to London. I guess SI could consider GCI-LCY, but I feel that BE leaving the market will have a bigger impact there than Jersey. Also don't forget that EZY already serves SEN-JER.
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 3:14 pm

So sad for Flybe, ultra modern fleet and have tried so hard, but thanks to UK government who seem hell bent on destroying aviation in the UK and 1,000's of jobs that go with it.
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 4:00 pm

Interesting that BA (who owns a stake in Flybe) would be willing to sell to an arch LGW competitor. Goes to highest bidder I suppose.
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 4:07 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 11):
Interesting that BA (who owns a stake in Flybe) would be willing to sell to an arch LGW competitor. Goes to highest bidder I suppose.

Why would a minority shareholder (ie about 15% I believe) have a say in how the company is run?
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 4:30 pm

Quoting bendewire (Reply 10):

So sad for Flybe, ultra modern fleet and have tried so hard, but thanks to UK government who seem hell bent on destroying aviation in the UK and 1,000's of jobs that go with it.

APD is a wider issue, but it's not the cause of this.


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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 5:17 pm

Quoting anstar (Reply 12):
Quoting by738 (Reply 11):
Interesting that BA (who owns a stake in Flybe) would be willing to sell to an arch LGW competitor. Goes to highest bidder I suppose.

Why would a minority shareholder (ie about 15% I believe) have a say in how the company is run?

If it improves BA's investment in Flybe then I would think they would be very happy. Deal is subject to shareholder approval so we will see if they vote for or against but as noted as a 15% shareholder there are another 85% who can vote in favor.
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 5:30 pm

I am more concerned about the possible reduction in choice at Newquay.

Also this, plus deferment of E175 does not look good.
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 5:59 pm

Quoting anstar (Reply 12):
Why would a minority shareholder (ie about 15% I believe) have a say in how the company is run?

Why would they not ?
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 6:10 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 15):
I am more concerned about the possible reduction in choice at Newquay.

In many ways Newquay and Cornwall County Council are now reaping what they have sewn.

Contrary to independent advice, experts and the management at Air Southwest, FlyBe was encouraged to compete on the route to London. The ensuing price war lead to Air Southwest exiting the route, entering financial difficulty and ultimately being sold off. This in turn lead to Plymouth's closure, which Al Titterington described as 'great news' for Newquay... but which inevitably lead to Eastern's complete withdrawal from Newquay too as the routes were interdependent, ending the majority of their air services. Then BE pull the LGW route themselves, as was expected since they entered it.

This series of events was inevitable and was repeatedly warned about - but some people thought they knew best. Now they have been proven wrong and there is the very real risk that Newquay will close.


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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 6:40 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 16):
Why would they not ?

15% hardly gives any say in decisions - let alone even having a board position.
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 7:03 pm

Quoting anstar (Reply 18):

Tell that to Bill Ackman, who got rid of the CEO of Canadian Pacific last year and got himself a seat on the board with 14.14% of the shares.

15% is a very significant stake, and whilst it won't allow you to dictate to the company you will most definitely be consulted on major decisions.
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 7:09 pm

Shows BA/IAG have no interest in LGW
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 7:17 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
The big problem for JER is that U2 tends not to nightstop, which means that there will be no overnight flight. That's a very important thing from a Jersey perspective. However, whatever happens, I hope that U2 jacks up capacity sharply; BE downgraded the JER service to 175s (from 195s) and the overall capacity drop has had an effect on fares.

If the market for an early inbound is there and there is a case for it to enable EZY to be competitive on the route then I'm sure they will nightstop on the Island in the same way they do in several other destinations across the LGW network.
EZY aren't averse to nightstops it's just the case for them isn't always that compelling. Remember, the network isn't a feed unlike BA, for example, who have to have early arrivals to feed the rest.
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 7:47 pm

Quoting heebeegb (Reply 20):
Shows BA/IAG have no interest in LGW

BA have no interest in the day to day running of flybe, they never have. BA do have an interest in LGW as can clearly be seen by the rather large based fleet, what they can't do is compete effectively against EZY on point to point.
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 8:02 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 22):
BA do have an interest in LGW as can clearly be seen by the rather large based fleet

Yep. And that applied: BA has 131,493 seats at LGW in the w/c 20th May, so second place and representing 16.9% of all seats at LGW behind EZY with 44.7% (BE is sixth with 30,116) and 813 weekly frequencies (to/from) and is second with 17.8% behind EZY with 46% (BE is third with 7.5%). Unsurprisingly, LCCs have 67.2% of all seats in that week period at LGW, while FSNCs have 31.1%. By frequency, it's 69% and 28.2% respectively.

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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 9:04 pm

I wonder is any of these ops will be transferred to Luton, this is the only other London airport they fly to...

I think it is with a daily IOM service and during the summer months a 4-5x weekly service to Jersey.

Im not suggesting they offer quite the frequencies as at LGW at present. But possibly 2-3 x daily to the likes of MAN and NCL and maybe daily services to INV, JER and GCI. If they are feeling brave they could also add a BHD service, but means they are competing with easyJet.

While Luton isn't the best connected of the airports with the capital, the existing easyJet domestic services to Scotland and Belfast, are always good sellers and regularly fly out full. They don't just attract travellers from London, but also the Northern home counties.
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 9:10 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 23):
Yep. And that applied: BA has 131,493 seats at LGW in the w/c 20th May, so second place and representing 16.9% of all seats at LGW behind EZY with 44.7% (BE is sixth with 30,116) and 813 weekly frequencies (to/from) and is second with 17.8% behind EZY with 46% (BE is third with 7.5%).

Within that you can see why Gatwick are so keen to eliminate smaller types. Third most frequencies but sixth for passenger numbers - quite a disparity.


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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 9:12 pm

Quoting bendewire (Reply 10):
So sad for Flybe, ultra modern fleet and have tried so hard,

Hmm...

Modern fleet - yes. Tried so hard - definitely not. In my experience their reliability was so awful that I wouldn't fly with them if they were the last airline operating. The only thing that surprises me is that they are still in business at all.

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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 9:27 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 25):
Within that you can see why Gatwick are so keen to eliminate smaller types. Third most frequencies but sixth for passenger numbers - quite a disparity.

Absolutely. And rightly so, of course, given increasingly scarce resources (i.e., slots and ground infrastructure).
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Thu May 23, 2013 10:26 pm

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 3):
Travel into Central London is easier from Gatwick but there isn't all that much in it, and from STN you are straight into the City.

...and on Thameslink you can be into City Thameslink from LGW direct every 15 mins in just 40 mins, as well as Gatwick Express to Victoria and the West End every 15 mins in just 30 mins.For either destination in Central London LGW is quicker by train. People and also certain airlines are hellbent on LHR for prestige but only a small % of PAX are bound for the Paddington area!
LGW wins hands down when it comes to direct access to more parts of Central London, in the quicket time.
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Fri May 24, 2013 1:09 am

No prizes for guessing really, but my main concern here is for NQY

The airport has gone on record today as being in discussions with two airlines about taking over NQY-LON services, I can see one of them being U2, but who else ? IAG in some form ?



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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Fri May 24, 2013 1:50 am

Quoting by738 (Reply 11):
Interesting that BA (who owns a stake in Flybe) would be willing to sell to an arch LGW competitor. Goes to highest bidder I suppose.

Same reason as they sold Go to U2 I guess.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 4):
Aurigny will pick up the slack on GCI.

Would GR be interested in the JER route too?

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 24):
While Luton isn't the best connected of the airports with the capital

Its just as good as LGW to St Pancras & City Thameslink. The issue is the bus arrangement to Luton Parkway, always thought they should have put in a MAGLEV line to the terminal.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 24):
I think it is with a daily IOM service and during the summer months a 4-5x weekly service to Jersey.

IOM is very long standing route inherited from Manx who operated it back to the 80's with a Shed, later BACon with an ATP then 146. JER was always a weekend seasonal BD route, I remember the Fokker's, possibly the DC9's operated it before that. BE inherited both but guess they made money to keep them.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 24):
I wonder is any of these ops will be transferred to Luton, this is the only other London airport they fly to...

Possibly, but depends how much of the LGW traffic was O&D to London and how much was connecting. LTN connections are pretty acceptable considering what the airpot was 20 years ago, but not the choices of LGW.

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 29):
but my main concern here is for NQY

Maybe a twice daily to AMS with KLM would do the trick.

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 29):
The airport has gone on record today as being in discussions with two airlines about taking over NQY-LON services, I can see one of them being U2, but who else ? IAG in some form ?

Cityjet, Aer Arran or Eastern possibly. Then again, who would have seen Minoan at OXF or Darwin at CBG, so could be out of left field.
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Fri May 24, 2013 2:05 am

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 29):
The airport has gone on record today as being in discussions with two airlines about taking over NQY-LON services, I can see one of them being U2, but who else ? IAG in some form ?

Ryanair and easyJet.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 30):
Maybe a twice daily to AMS with KLM would do the trick.

Overkill for the NQY market.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 30):
Cityjet, Aer Arran or Eastern possibly.

No, not interested and already pulled out.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 30):
Then again, who would have seen Minoan at OXF or Darwin at CBG, so could be out of left field.

I didn't see Minoan at OXF, personally I don't see them being there for long either, but both have been prime airports for passengers services for a while now.


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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Fri May 24, 2013 7:36 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 31):

Ryanair and easyJet.

I knew of U2 as local radio were reporting that discussions were underway, however is Ryanair your opinion or fact ?


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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Fri May 24, 2013 8:02 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 31):
Ryanair

I recall flying FR on STN-NQY-STN a couple times, including on an ex-CO 733. Seems an awful long time ago now.  Wink

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In today's The Times, Jim French, flybe's chairman, said: "Gatwick is losing us a very substantial amount of money." This is partially because its fees have "increased 102 per cent" over 5 years for operators of smaller aircraft." As such, "it no long really makes sense to continue pouring money down the drain."

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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Fri May 24, 2013 8:48 am

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 32):
I knew of U2 as local radio were reporting that discussions were underway, however is Ryanair your opinion or fact ?

I couldn't possibly say...


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Fri May 24, 2013 7:40 pm

I imagine easyJet will use the slots to grow their existing profitable routes and potentially add a few more destinations (although they already operate 100+ destinations with 50+ aircraft at LGW so there aren't many gaps on their route map!)... whilst my guess for the BE destinations are as follows:

JER: BE add capacity to LTN, BA add capacity to LGW, Blue Islands add capacity to LCY, Aurigny potentially add new service to LGW
GCI: Aurigny add capacity to LGW and STN
IOM: BA add capacity to LCY (use their own Embraers rather than the leased Saab), BE add capacity to LTN
INV: Probably the only route where easyJet could operate a decent 2pd schedule, although the lack of nightstop may be an issue
BHD: I'd be surprised if the capacity is replaced as there are so many airlines flying between Belfast and London
NCL/NQY: I'm guessing the LGW connection is at risk for these two
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Fri May 24, 2013 11:23 pm

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 28):
People and also certain airlines are hellbent on LHR for prestige

It's not prestige, that's naive, it's profit. Such multi million pound decisions by majr airlines need a business case and a sound logical raison d'etre. (exceptions being those with the magical route planning dartboard....)

Eastern operate very a very expensive fares structure based around last minute businessmen travelling out of necessity, CityJet won't waste a prime LCY slot on NQY, perhaps I mean shouldn't as they seem to be going to Hell in a handcart at the moment. Outside the bubble of the last few years, I am not sure what a year round service to NQY type carrier would be. Air Southwest mainly but flybe made that one go away rather well....
 
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Sat May 25, 2013 1:33 am

It seems odd that an English based airline won't have a real presence in London.
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Sat May 25, 2013 8:45 am

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 24):
I wonder is any of these ops will be transferred to Luton, this is the only other London airport they fly to...

IIRC, LTN does not have any spare capacity before 0900/30ish because of the Wizzair armada, so almost impossible to offer a decent schedule with multiple daily flights.
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Sat May 25, 2013 9:50 am

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 37):
It seems odd that an English based airline won't have a real presence in London.

Not London airways!  
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 33):
including on an ex-CO 733. Seems an awful long time ago now.  


Ah, the CO / Buzz livery and the part Ryanair decals....
From memory there is one with part of all three liveries...

Nine - yes nine years ago!

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Sun May 26, 2013 4:49 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 36):
Quoting Boysteve (Reply 28):People and also certain airlines are hellbent on LHR for prestige
It's not prestige, that's naive, it's profit. Such multi million pound decisions by majr airlines need a business case and a sound logical raison d'etre. (exceptions being those with the magical route planning dartboard....)

I was talking about Pax, not airlines! Folk tend to think that LGW is second choice even though onward public transport is far more widespread (and cheaper mile for mile) by rail.
 
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Sun May 26, 2013 5:05 pm

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 40):
I was talking about Pax, not airlines! Folk tend to think that LGW is second choice even though onward public transport is far more widespread (and cheaper mile for mile) by rail.

People are often set in their ways, and immediately think Heathrow.
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Sun May 26, 2013 5:59 pm

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 40):
I was talking about Pax, not airlines! Folk tend to think that LGW is second choice even though onward public transport is far more widespread (and cheaper mile for mile) by rail.

LGW is a decent airport. Using alot more myself over the last year or so . Its been made alot better with the money that has been poured into it since it got new owners. Still more to do but certainly each time I fly through it I notice the difference.

LHR still is the No.1 and most likely will be due to its connections and status.

LGW is very well connected to the South Coast which is my choice of Airport when heading to SOU. Just a shame LHR didnt have the same rail connections without having to take a lenghty tube ride or expensive Heathrow Express.
 
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Sun May 26, 2013 6:07 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 41):
People are often set in their ways, and immediately think Heathrow.

More vested interests in the travel industry and corporate travel policies actually.
 
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Mon May 27, 2013 12:24 pm

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 37):
It seems odd that an English based airline won't have a real presence in London.

Eastern don't either, nor Jet2.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 43):
More vested interests in the travel industry and corporate travel policies actually.

Why fly from LGW if you can make more money at LHR? I mean let's cut the blah about cheap rail connections, bottom line is bottom line and it's not a huge mystery. Spend anytime at LHR and LGW and one can actually see the very different demographics at play gien the legacy empire route structure which made LHR a world hub.LGW just cannot compete with that.

GIP have spent so much money at Gatters and still lost Delta, US Airways and Korean Air in the last 18 months. LGW is brilliant as a big old Orange fortress but it's never going to be much beyond that in a free market. Even BA LGW are a mere fraction of the size they were when I moved to London in 2005. It's primarily an airport for taking English locals on holiday and bringing in European tourists to London, business routes to UK destinations are on the way out alas.
 
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Mon May 27, 2013 12:39 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 44):
Why fly from LGW if you can make more money at LHR? I mean let's cut the blah about cheap rail connections, bottom line is bottom line and it's not a huge mystery. Spend anytime at LHR and LGW and one can actually see the very different demographics at play gien the legacy empire route structure which made LHR a world hub.LGW just cannot compete with that.

GIP have spent so much money at Gatters and still lost Delta, US Airways and Korean Air in the last 18 months. LGW is brilliant as a big old Orange fortress but it's never going to be much beyond that in a free market. Even BA LGW are a mere fraction of the size they were when I moved to London in 2005. It's primarily an airport for taking English locals on holiday and bringing in European tourists to London, business routes to UK destinations are on the way out alas.

Not in any disagreement and IS the vested interest - UK PLC has only one Global HUB carrier does it not ?

What remain fact is Gatwick and indeed Stansted are among the worlds busiest International Non Hub airports in the world.

Both handle MORE international passengers than many of those monster US centres !
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Mon May 27, 2013 2:18 pm

There is an interesting development on the horizon, according to a reliable source here in the islands. Aurigny, the Guernsey based regional carrier, which currently flies GCI-LGW and JER/GCI-STN, is apparently interested in taking three Embraer 195s, currently operated by BE and because of the closure of its LGW routes, no longer needed; leases on some of them are said to be coming up soon. It would be GR's first jet equipment; like BE, GR has a problem in that it only flies ATR72s to GCI and of course, there is a cost penalty for that.

I'm not quite sure if/how they are going to get E-195s into GCI (it can only just take 175s); perhaps they can be retrofitted with the same mods that allow Trip/Azul E-195s to operate into Rio's SDU. Since GR is a Guernsey based carrier, GCI-LGW is obviously their key route. If U2 were not to operate LGW-JER, perhaps GR would. Of course, at this stage, this is just a rumour, but my source has been right in the past (and predicted that BE would end LGW-JER at least a month ago - much to my incredulity!)
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Mon May 27, 2013 2:53 pm

I think this pretty much is a no-brainer für GR as the capacity offered by BE at the moment must be covered by someone else (and LGW must be getting expensive for them as well if they keep operating ATRs) - and better for them to take up the slack than a new competitor. As it makes little sense to add ATR72 rotations throughout the day as there is peak time demand, a jet is necessary.

Whether the E195 can do the job is a good question. It has a 1460m TORA with a range of 500nm and slight load penalty, so for LGW it should be okay. No sure about the PCN, however, but as Lufthansa operated Boeing 737-500 a while ago, it should be within the limits.

How many frames are needed for LGW? Given that the E195 has 50 more seats than the ATR72, there is probably not much need for additional rotations. So three E195s look a bit excessive for just LGW-GCI and I doubt that other destinations from GCI warrant an E195. Maybe they are also planning to take over JER-LGW?
 
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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Mon May 27, 2013 4:41 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 46):
I'm not quite sure if/how they are going to get E-195s into GCI (it can only just take 175s); perhaps they can be retrofitted with the same mods that allow Trip/Azul E-195s to operate into Rio's SDU.
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 47):
Whether the E195 can do the job is a good question. It has a 1460m TORA with a range of 500nm and slight load penalty, so for LGW it should be okay.

The E95 could do regional UK routes comfortably from GCI's runway length, no modifications needed.

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 47):
No sure about the PCN, however, but as Lufthansa operated Boeing 737-500 a while ago, it should be within the limits.

GCI's PCN is 22 F/B/Y/T. Even with a light E95 you are really going to be pushing the envelope there and shortening the runway's usable life for sure.


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RE: Flybe Sell LGW Slots

Mon May 27, 2013 6:16 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 48):
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 47):
No sure about the PCN, however, but as Lufthansa operated Boeing 737-500 a while ago, it should be within the limits.

GCI's PCN is 22 F/B/Y/T. Even with a light E95 you are really going to be pushing the envelope there and shortening the runway's usable life for sure.

Meant to also add, LH has not to my knowledge ever operated to GCI, only JER.


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