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Near Miss @ DCA Btwn Military Chopper/YX

Mon May 27, 2013 2:59 am

While landing at DCA, a Republic Airlines ERJ175 and Military UH-1 came very close, setting off warnings on the plane.

From the AP: "At their closest point, the two aircraft were flying at the same altitude and were only 950 feet apart laterally"

Article: http://wtop.com/289/3336953/Close-ca...tary-helicopter-at-Reagan-National

I live in DC and see the military copters and planes all the time over the Potomac,
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RE: Near Miss @ DCA Btwn Military Chopper/YX

Mon May 27, 2013 4:01 am

Aren't the helicopters suppose to maintain a very low altitude and I imagine avoid the spots over the river which would have airliners under 500ft or so. Military copters can certainly hug the perimeter areas much closer too.
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RE: Near Miss @ DCA Btwn Military Chopper/YX

Tue May 28, 2013 4:13 am

Near Miss? So they hit?
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RE: Near Miss @ DCA Btwn Military Chopper/YX

Tue May 28, 2013 4:52 am

Quoting atct (Reply 2):
Near Miss? So they hit?

I love that bit from George Carlin. "Oh look, they nearly missed."
 
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RE: Near Miss @ DCA Btwn Military Chopper/YX

Tue May 28, 2013 5:12 am

Quoting atct (Reply 2):
Near Miss? So they hit?

Near being an adjective. As opposed to far miss lol. Describing what type of miss. If they had hit, it would have been nearly miss...  
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RE: Near Miss @ DCA Btwn Military Chopper/YX

Tue May 28, 2013 6:38 am

Frankly, I was impressed by the attention to detail in the report. Someone did a little research on the aircraft involved in here article. Not usually the case.

Kind of odd how the helicopter "briefly rose to 400 feet". What was its assigned altitude/ceiling? Ground level? It seems like altitude wasn't so much the issue as location. What was it doing in the approach?

Does anyone know which runway the Embraer was shooting an approach into? Was it 1-19 or one of the crosswinds? This might make more sense if it was 33 -- sometimes helicopters hug the east bank of the Potomac near Bolling AFB. And as a follow on -- what is the missed approach like for 33? The Pentagon is at the other end.
 
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RE: Near Miss @ DCA Btwn Military Chopper/YX

Wed May 29, 2013 1:07 am

Quoting ggflyboy (Reply 5):

When ever I saw choppers over the Potomac they would be at very very low altitudes. A 400ft ceiling for helicopters near DCA would not surprise me at all.
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RE: Near Miss @ DCA Btwn Military Chopper/YX

Wed May 29, 2013 2:08 am

Quoting ggflyboy (Reply 5):
Does anyone know which runway the Embraer was shooting an approach into? Was it 1-19 or one of the crosswinds? This might make more sense if it was 33 -- sometimes helicopters hug the east bank of the Potomac near Bolling AFB. And as a follow on -- what is the missed approach like for 33? The Pentagon is at the other end.

The winds were quite gusty last Friday and judging by Flightaware, they most likely used 33 and the incursion occured somewhere near Bolling AFB(as you mentioned).

I've only experienced 4 missed approaches in my lifetime and two occurred in DCA on the same day. The fist GA was on 19 with the second occurring on 33. We quickly banked west over Pentagon City, headed southwest and held near Manassas, then diverted to Dulles.
 
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RE: Near Miss @ DCA Btwn Military Chopper/YX

Wed May 29, 2013 5:30 am

Quoting ggflyboy (Reply 5):
Does anyone know which runway the Embraer was shooting an approach into? Was it 1-19 or one of the crosswinds? This might make more sense if it was 33 -- sometimes helicopters hug the east bank of the Potomac near Bolling AFB. And as a follow on -- what is the missed approach like for 33? The Pentagon is at the other end.

The aircraft was on the approach to 1 circle to land 33.

http://avherald.com/h?article=462d112b&opt=0

The missed approach for 33 is climb straight ahead to 2100, then to Georgetown NDB via track 325 degrees.

http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1305/00443AD.PDF

http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1305/00443ILD1.PDF

http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1305/00443R33.PDF
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