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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Tue May 28, 2013 2:54 am



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART LIII
“Massive operational changes in Central America”

In the middle of May 2013, Avianca suddenly dropped most of the flights operated by the former LACSA Líneas Aereas Costarricenses at SJO who was operating as part of GRUPO TACA, of course.
This situation deserves all the attention on this board and we’re carefully studying all the possible impacts in the future.
The confirmed withdrawals have been classified as follows:

Effective from May 17th:
TA/LR SJO-LAX; 3x weekly
TA/LR SJO-HAV; 2x weekly
TA/LR SJO-JFK; 4x weekly
TA/LR SJO-UIO-GYE-SJO; 7x weekly
TA/LR SJO-MTY; 3x weekly
TA/LR SJO-PTY; 7x weekly
TA/LR SJO-PTY-MDE


Effective from June 16th:
TA/LR [SJO-LIM] 13x to 7x weekly
TA [SAL-TGU-MIA] 7x weekly
TA [SJO-GUA] 14x to 7x weekly

Authorities of the airline are promoting a big announcement on May 28th.

Welcome to the new installment on the Cent Am aviation series!


Edited on May 27th, 2013
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Tue May 28, 2013 6:48 am

May 28, the airline is dead; long live the airline.

Today I got a LifeMiles email promoting Costa Rica like crazy... guess they are trying to do some crowd control.
nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Tue May 28, 2013 1:05 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
TA/LR [SJO-LIM] 13x to 7x weekly

I don't think AV will drop SJO-LIM completely as LIM is still an AV hub.
If AV is smart, it'd be using LR and TA flight designators (and registered aircraft) to make use of Costa Rica and El Salvador bilateral with the countries where AV is currently facing problems increasing frequencies like Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Tue May 28, 2013 1:12 pm

Quoting aer (Reply 1):
Today I got a LifeMiles email promoting Costa Rica like crazy... guess they are trying to do some crowd control.

Well they have to at lease pretend like their are interested to the ICT.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Tue May 28, 2013 2:40 pm

Quoting aer (Reply 1):
May 28, the airline is dead; long live the airline.

  

Though I was expecting to see all flights showing up as AV in Amadeus... they're still bookable as TA / LR.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Tue May 28, 2013 2:57 pm

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 4):
Though I was expecting to see all flights showing up as AV in Amadeus... they're still bookable as TA / LR.

Today is the announcement. Maybe tomorrow things will change.

Taca official twitter account and facebook account are gone
https://twitter.com/taca_com
https://www.facebook.com/tacaairlines

Juanchito

[Edited 2013-05-28 08:03:54]

[Edited 2013-05-28 08:04:44]
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Tue May 28, 2013 3:38 pm

Quoting juanchito (Reply 5):
Taca official twitter account and facebook account are gone

Aviation's not an easy business, even in an small region like Central America, some airline-owners/managers do things one way, other another that will seal their airlines future.
I was never a big fan of TACA El Salvador (and grupo TACA) or LACSA Costa Rica, but I did admire how Salvadorean TACA kept flying almost undisturbed while El Salvador (the country) was going throughout some tough times.
I'm not going to celebrate this date, albeit with some nostalgia I'll have in the future, I'm not going to mourn TACA "passing away" either.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Tue May 28, 2013 4:27 pm

Live feed for the new Avianca

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faYsHbfZl9Y&feature=youtu.be

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Tue May 28, 2013 6:28 pm

Seems like AV and AM are offering $399 fares SAP SAL/MEX CUN fares now. Used to be $700 +. It's amazing what a little competition from a little Belizean Airline can do. Tropic allows you to so it SAP BZE CUN
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Wed May 29, 2013 3:19 am

I just watched on TV local news that authorities of Costa Rica travelled to Bogota, Colombia trying to find an explanation about the sudden demise of the mentioned routes out of SJO.
The information states that the Government of Costa Rica is seeking for a foreign carrier who wants to operate the [SJO-JFK] sector. There's no need for a drama due to the seasonal service on AA JFK-SJO, among other possibilities.




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Quoting aer (Reply 1):
May 28, the airline is dead





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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
I don't think AV will drop SJO-LIM completely as LIM is still an AV hub.

Same thoughts.
The former TA/LR [SJO-LIM-SCL] 7x weekly will remain after June 16th.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
If AV is smart, it'd be using LR and TA flight designators (and registered aircraft) to make use of Costa Rica and El Salvador bilateral with the countries where AV is currently facing problems increasing frequencies like Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil.

Based on what I've read in the older thread, SJO-CCS and SJO-BOG-BSB won't be disturbed at all.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 8):
It's amazing what a little competition from a little Belizean Airline can do

PM has the credit for the launch of both [SAP-BZE] and [CUN-BZE].
And [BZE-RTB] is coming in November...


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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Wed May 29, 2013 3:46 am

what is AV doing with the "spare" aircraft from SJO? are they moving them to BOG / LIM ??
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Wed May 29, 2013 1:22 pm

I say we dedicate the next thread to the "old" TA. The TA of Frederico Bloch.

Say what we want for the Parrot Cartel, they served our countries well. Always getting new aircraft. TA single handedly built Belize's tourism as I am sure it did with other countries.

RIP El Loro!

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 9):
PM has the credit for the launch of both [SAP-BZE] and [CUN-BZE].
And [BZE-RTB] is coming in November...

FRS has been been served for many years.....and traffic is now also connecting SAP/CUN-BZE-FRS
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Wed May 29, 2013 1:31 pm

I just booked my first 788 flight. UA IAH-ORD.....in business class......I'm excited!
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Wed May 29, 2013 3:25 pm

PTY connecting traffic up 26% from last year from www.prensa.com in Spanish
PTY airport in-transit passengers increased 26% between January and April when compared to same period last year.
It's expected that by years end, PTY will be handling 7.5million passengers.
7.5million passengers its an astonishing figure for an airport in this region,
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Wed May 29, 2013 3:46 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
FRS has been been served for many years.

The only flight that keeps FRS international.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 12):
I just booked my first 788 flight. UA IAH-ORD.....in business class......I'm excited!

Nice, I had the same return flight back in March but they got grounded... Let us know how it is.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Wed May 29, 2013 6:10 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 3):
Quoting aer (Reply 1):
Today I got a LifeMiles email promoting Costa Rica like crazy

Well they have to at lease pretend like their are interested to the ICT

Suddenly roundtrip travel from anywhere in CentAm to LIR only sets you back 10K LifeMiles.

Quoting juanchito (Reply 7):
the new Avianca

It might be just me but their new logo does look startlingly similar to the new AA mark entitled the Flight Symbol.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
I say we dedicate the next thread to the "old" TA. The TA of Frederico Bloch

Always been intrigued by the mysterious circumstances surrounding his tragic death. As most of you recall, he was shot dead in his car outside San Salvador.

Salvadoran police quickly arrested and charged two 16–year–old members of the Mara Salvatrucha with whom Bloch was said to have had some sort of friendship and then eventually a personal quarrel.

Made me wonder ever since how a top airline executive, who must have had a security detail, came to know two youth gang members.

[Edited 2013-05-29 11:29:09]
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Thu May 30, 2013 8:44 pm

Tropic Air has changed their IATA designator and now appear as 9N. They are also now available and selling tickets on GDSs (Amadeus, Galileo, Apollo, Worldspan, Sabre, Sirena, Abacus).

Have you guys seen this article

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Thu May 30, 2013 9:23 pm

A.net has been acting screwy for me today (made me look like an amateur above)....I was trying to post the article in the WSJ about CM (so just google it) following...note the last sentence about LH and PTY. I still maintain that over the next 24 months, LH will get closer to CM and AV will bolt for Skyteam.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Thu May 30, 2013 11:16 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 18):
I was trying to post the article in the WSJ about CM (so just google it) following...note the last sentence about LH and PTY.

Content is only accessible to wsj.com subscribers anyway, so perhaps you can post an excerpt within the fair use exception to copyright law.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Fri May 31, 2013 3:47 pm

LH to PTY is a question of when, regardless of LH in BOG and KL AMS-PTY.
Would LH make it a thrice weekly - to start - MUC-PTY not to bother its FRA-BOG is also questionable.
LH @ MUC may not be the same as LH @ FRA but LH may find it easier to get slots @ MUC than FRA for a PTY flight.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Fri May 31, 2013 4:18 pm

LH will have to fly from FRA not MUC to make the flight work. Just like BA, I am sure LH can find a slot if they want to badly enough. Would need to be minimum 4Xweek to start to appeal to business travellers...maybe a MWFSat
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Fri May 31, 2013 7:45 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
Would LH make it a thrice weekly - to start - MUC-PTY not to bother its FRA-BOG is also questionable.

I don't think LH's FRA-BOG service would be affected at all by a supposed new PTY service. FRA-BOG does carry an amount of connecting passengers but it also served the large Bogotá and Colombia markets, which have extensive business ties with Germany and transfer traffic to Asia is steadily growing.

PTY would be mostly for connections to other countries and tourism, and they can easily coexist. Just as CCS-FRA and BOG-FRA coexist perfectly. I remember myself hearing rumors that CCS would be axed in favor of BOG. Never happened.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Fri May 31, 2013 9:18 pm

FRA-PTY would be an ideal 788 route....If LH had ordered them
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:06 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 12):
my first 788 flight. UA IAH-ORD

  




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
Tropic Air has changed their IATA designator and now appear as 9N

Farewell PM !




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
LH @ MUC may not be the same as LH @ FRA but LH may find it easier to get slots @ MUC than FRA for a PTY flight.

I concur that LH is closer to PTY and covered by the Star Alliance banner.
LH at PTY will only experience service to either Frankfurt or Munich. My vote is for LH PTY-FRA.
Even Mexico City reversed their intended plans for any LH MUC-MEX. Only LH FRA-MEX 7x weekly is still active.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:25 pm

Other sources on the web aren't currently referring to TACA which commercially is not longer in service since May 28th. Avianca Central America is a new designation.
I expect the unification of taca.com into avianca.com in the near future.
All “TA” and “LR” flight codes will be gradually switched to the “AV” designator towards the 3rd quarter of this year.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:40 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 24):
Avianca Central America is a new designation

Is that a legal or dba (nombre de fantasía) name? Does it apply to what once came to be known as Taca Regional or to something else?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:02 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 24):
I expect the unification of taca.com into avianca.com in the near future.

Hopefully they'll rebrand the current taca.com... the current avianca.com has been a PITA the few times I've tried to use it.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
Tropic Air has changed their IATA designator and now appear as 9N. They are also now available and selling tickets on GDSs (Amadeus, Galileo, Apollo, Worldspan, Sabre, Sirena, Abacus).

They'd better start visiting travel agencies around here   
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:07 pm

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 26):
They'd better start visiting travel agencies around here   

already did. these days the sales teams are tied up in Honduras and Guate I believe.

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 26):
Hopefully they'll rebrand the current taca.com... the current avianca.com has been a PITA the few times I've tried to use it.

I agree. Its horrible.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:30 pm

AA just wielded the hatchet on many Central American routes.....MGA, PTY, SAL, BZE etc etc....
maybe a rationalisation in prep for the merger consummation?

A stand out was this (from the OAG thread) DL ATL-GUA DEC 1.9>3 JAN 1.1>3 FEB 1.0>3
If that doesn't send a signal that Delta wants to claim GUA, then I don't know what else would. Maybe AV will be announcing some "cuts" at GUA too....so

IMHO, if they do, will it be a sign of AV and DL getting closer or is it another scenario?

[Edited 2013-06-03 14:48:53]
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:14 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 28):
Maybe AV will be announcing some "cuts" at GUA too....so

Out of FRS, LAX, ORD, MIA, SAL, SAP, TGU, SJO I'm guessing ORD (though they only serve it through GUA) and MIA (may be), LAX is their only strong hold; but who knows.

I knew AV was gonna decrease all service and interest in Central America, but not so soon.

[Edited 2013-06-03 15:15:40]
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:26 pm

Wow 3 daily flight to Atlanta, I think this is only for peak season

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 28):
DL ATL-GUA DEC 1.9>3 JAN 1.1>3 FEB 1.0>3

I have heard from Airport rumors that the ORD and LAX flight will change schedule, they will be launching it to be in the morning returning in the afternoon.

Quoting aer (Reply 29):
Out of FRS, LAX, ORD, MIA, SAL, SAP, TGU, SJO I'm guessing ORD (though they only serve it through GUA) and MIA (may be), LAX is their only strong hold; but who knows.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:30 pm

Quoting aer (Reply 29):
Out of FRS, LAX, ORD, MIA, SAL, SAP, TGU, SJO I'm guessing ORD (though they only serve it through GUA) and MIA (may be), LAX is their only strong hold; but who knows.

If they were to cut I would say they would move ORD to SAL and then trim MIA.

IMHO Demand for MIA from all of latin america has leveled off. MIA is becoming more O&D only, with the transfer traffic that used to only have MIA as its only option now finding out about IAH, DFW, CLT, ATL and even places like MCO...where the lines are (usually) shorter. FLL is also bleeding off MIA traffic.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:42 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 31):
If they were to cut I would say they would move ORD to SAL and then trim MIA.

ORD was tried through SAL a while back and failed, that's why they kept it going through GUA. MIA is already just using a E190 and not daily; guess AA will have a field day with GUA then or it will be the incentive for B6 to start from FLL in 2014.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:47 pm

United flight from Houston to Guatemala will also increase, they usually have 3 daily on december.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-GUA DEC 3>4

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:54 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 28):
AA just wielded the hatchet on many Central American routes.....MGA, PTY, SAL, BZE etc etc....maybe a rationalisation in prep for the merger consummation?

What on earth are you talking about?

Did you mean to say "AA just loaded their normal Central America flying reductions - pretty much in line with what AA has done every year?" Because that's what AA has done. The frequencies cut all return in November.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 31):
Demand for MIA from all of latin america has leveled off.

If you define roughly 10% annual growth on key O&D routes "levelling off," then yes, it's leveled off.

But since that kind of growth isn't levelling off, then, no, it hasn't leveled off.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:09 am

Quoting aer (Reply 32):
MIA is already just using a E190 and not daily; guess AA will have a field day with GUA then or it will be the incentive for B6 to start from FLL in 2014.

But there are still passengers who go out of their way to fly TA AV for the baggage allowance, even if it's a bit more expensive than AA. Not that there's much of a difference now that they reduced the free baggage allowance from 100 lb to 70 lb, though   
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:30 am

So for the winter season we are seeing DL go to 3 daily at GUA, UA to 4 daily at GUA? That's a ton of additional capacity. That's great!
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:45 am

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 25):
Is that a legal or dba (nombre de fantasía) name?

Nothing official yet !
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:15 am

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 34):
What on earth are you talking about?

Someone is still mad for DL proving them wrong...

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 34):
Did you mean to say "AA just loaded their normal Central America flying reductions

No...I meant what i said....its deeper than last year....more aggressive..starts earlier, ends later.

And yes, AA is preparing for integration with US's routes.....You will gradually see CLT and DFW become the connecting hubs for LatAm and MIA become more O&D focussed which will drive the yields for AA at MIA much higher. I will let the events to come prove themselves once again to you.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 34):
10% annual growth on key O&D routes

now that is a vague statement. Who defines key? you, mia airport, AA, a.net? Actually I am sure Doug and Horton probably have different definitions themselves.

Quoting avi8 (Reply 36):
So for the winter season we are seeing DL go to 3 daily at GUA, UA to 4 daily at GUA? That's a ton of additional capacity. That's great!

It is... UA and DL are really doing well at GUA and SJO.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:34 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 38):
UA and DL are really doing well at GUA and SJO.

Even UA EWR-GUA 2x weekly?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:15 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 39):
Even UA EWR-GUA 2x weekly?

GUA-EWR is still 1x weekly but usually full. The new flights are just extra Saturday flights for a while from IAH and ATL according to Amadeus.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:36 pm

I know... Venezuela is not Central America... but unfortunately there is not such thread about South America.

INAC (National Institute of Civil Aviation) of Venezuela will ban all Boeing 727s, Boeing 737-200s and all Douglas DC-9s by November 2013.

Avior Airlines and RAVSA Venezolana operates both the B732 from Venezuela to Panama (PTY). These were the last scheduled flights of Boeing 737-200s to PTY. Avior will replace its fleet of B732 with newer Boeing 737-400s.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:46 pm

Quoting viasa (Reply 41):
Avior will replace its fleet of B732 with newer Boeing 737-400s.

Avior's capacity increase will be welcome by the Venezuela - Panama O/D traffic, even if to/from BLA.
Wish CM could start PTY - PZO and P5 BOG (or MDE) - MAR. PTY (O/D+hub) - MAR market needs a daytime return flight.
There might be some demand for CM PTY-PMV but that route may work only if a part of holiday programmes sold in South/North America.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:38 pm

Now that it seems the forum has finally been unbroken   ...

Any reason why CM timed the PTY-SXM departure to match only the South American flight bank and not the Central American one? As it stands right now, passengers traveling from Central America are required to spend a night in PTY and depart to SXM the following morning... if the flight departed a couple of hours later, it would still connect with the first flights arriving into PTY, and the return flight would still be back in time for the evening flight bank.    Or am I the only one in the region nuts enough to want to do that trip?  
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:59 pm

There are worse things in life than a night in PTY. Casca Vieja baby!
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:54 am

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:05 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 44):
There are worse things in life than a night in PTY. Casca Vieja baby!

I'm not saying it's bad, but it does add a bit to the expense  
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:13 am

Quoting juanchito (Reply 45):
First picture of Avianca first ATR72-600

They're going to Colombia then?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:10 am

Quoting viasa (Reply 41):
Avior Airlines and RAVSA Venezolana operates both the B732 from Venezuela to Panama (PTY). These were the last scheduled flights of Boeing 737-200s to PTY. Avior will replace its fleet of B732 with newer Boeing 737-400s.

Based on the bilateral agreement between Panama and Venezuela:

9V BLA-PTY 4x weekly with 732
VNE [MAR-PTY] 4x weekly with 732
S3 CCS-PTY 7x weekly with 757




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Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 43):
Any reason why CM timed the PTY-SXM departure to match only the South American flight bank and not the Central American one?

I ignore the answer, but I tried to find an explanation.
CM PTY-SXM started in December 2010 with 73G as 2x weekly and it was properly timed to allow connections from Central America.
The departing hour from PTY was suddenly changed earlier and no longer than a year before.
Probably the yields on CM PTY-SXM are mostly oriented for travelers coming from South America and PTY is getting arrivals earlier than 07:00 a.m. from GIG, GRU, CNF, BSB, MAO, EZE, COR, SCL, ASU, LIM and VVI, among others.
G3 from Brazil flies seasonal flights heading to St. Maarten and it indeed demonstrates that the market exists.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53

Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:12 am

Quoting aer (Reply 47):
They're going to Colombia then?

The press release in Spanish states that AV is acquiring 15 ATR 72-600 and heading to both Colombia and Central America.


http://www.aviacol.net/noticias-del-...peracion-de-vuelos-regionales.html

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