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Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:43 pm

The first flight touched down at Guarulhos International Airport yesterday at 4:35pm local Sao Paulo time, operated by an Airbus A340-500 aircraft.

The new Brazil service marks Etihad Airways’ entry into its sixth continent. Etihad Airways operates an Airbus A340-500 aircraft to Sao Paulo, seating a total of 240 passengers across three cabins – 12 in Diamond First, 28 Pearl Business and 200 Coral Economy class seats.


• Also Etihad Airways have increased flight to
• Abu Dhabi-Muscat will increase from 20 to 23 weekly flights
• Abu Dhabi- Cairo will increase from the current 18 weekly services to three times a day
• Abu Dhabi-Amman adding four overnight flights per week to its existing double-daily operations
• Abu Dhabi-Islamabad increase from seven flights to nine per week
• Abu Dhabi-Minsk service from three flights per week to a daily schedule from June 15, 2013.

source: www.etihadairways.com
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:13 pm

Congrats to EY! Hope this is a highly successful route.
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:32 pm

Great news to see EY expanding, congrats to them. Be great to see another flight down to MEL at some point!

How is AUH handling all the expansion, are they keeping up too?
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:53 am

dont know what the reason for this is but from 01JUL, the new GRU route is already being reduced from daily A340 to 3 weekly only until the end of the S13 season i.e. till late OCT. This does not sound good...can somebody please elaborate further on this.
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:21 am

I think EY scheduling is definitely very tight with its current fleet. Especially on the ultra long-haul.

They certainly adapted the frequencies to the loads forecasts.
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:16 am

Is EY keeping their 345s? I think if they are intending on keeping them, they should pick up the ones that are sitting on the used aircraft market, often with low cycles and keep them for routes like this epic journey. If EY is not keeping the 345, then what will be operating routes like this with?
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:39 am

Surprised EY not using their 77W metal on this route. Any possible reason? or they have shortage of type to utilize?
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:47 am

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 6):
Surprised EY not using their 77W metal on this route. Any possible reason?

You are right it’s because of the shortage
All the 2 class 77W are used on Asian routes BKK,MNL,KUL
And the newer 77W witch have 3 class are used on LHR,SYD & just recently NYC

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 2):
How is AUH handling all the expansion, are they keeping up too?

AUH is keeping up as it’s currently went into expanding its current facility as an interim solution till the new midfield terminal opens late 2017.

The latest project which will open early 2014 is adding 20 more departure gates to terminal 3 (Etihad terminal) and adding a new business class lounge to accommodate the expansions of Etihad increasing pax numbers and its alliance airlines guests.
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:54 am

Quoting etihadairways (Reply 7):
You are right it’s because of the shortage
All the 2 class 77W are used on Asian routes BKK,MNL,KUL
And the newer 77W witch have 3 class are used on LHR,SYD & just recently NYC

FYI, QR couldn't even fill 65% of a 260 seater B77L daily to GRU in 2012 even with a tag on to EZE. Etihad has a smaller network + fewer number of flights to SE Asia, Indian subcontinent and GCC versus QR hence it should not even consider sending a B77W to GRU under any circumstances.

For the route to be downgraded from the on set from daily to 3 weekly highlights that there is overcapacity existing in the market place and this in turn reflects on the low advanced bookings hence the frequency reduction.
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:16 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):
FYI, QR couldn't even fill 65% of a 260 seater B77L daily to GRU in 2012

Your 100% right that’s way Etihad downgrade the A/C from A346 to A345 and recently the frq to 3 times a week. Smart move by them
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:20 pm

Quoting etihadairways (Reply 7):

All the 2 class 77W are used on Asian routes BKK,MNL,KUL

And ORD 
Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):
FYI, QR couldn't even fill 65% of a 260 seater B77L daily to GRU in 2012 even with a tag on to EZE. Etihad has a smaller network + fewer number of flights to SE Asia, Indian subcontinent and GCC versus QR hence it should not even consider sending a B77W to GRU under any circumstances.

I really doubt EK or QR are making money to GRU right now. It's so far and the fares are very competitive to the major volume destinations.
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:43 pm

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 2):
Great news to see EY expanding,

Also new cargo only stations Houston, Miami, Campinas, Quito launched 30 May and Vienna starting from this month, along with freighter ops to Chicago, Riyadh, Singapore and Sydney.
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:55 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):
For the route to be downgraded from the on set from daily to 3 weekly highlights that there is overcapacity existing in the market place and this in turn reflects on the low advanced bookings hence the frequency reduction.

I was surprised from the beginning that they got such good daily slots. Good it be that they loaded daily hoping to get the slots but were only granted 3 so they had to cut back?
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:44 pm

Frequency reduced is a matter of GRU available slots, not because low bookings. Better slots will be ready by end of the year.
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:25 pm

Great for Ethihad and Great for Sao Paulo, it now has all 3 Middle East airlines and Miami has none. I hope the Brazil is able to exploit new export markest in thet part of the world. When TAM joins OneWorld will it fly to Doha ? Interesting times we live in.
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:29 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 11):
Also new cargo only stations Houston, Miami, Campinas, Quito launched 30 May and Vienna starting from this month, along with freighter ops to Chicago, Riyadh, Singapore and Sydney.

Yes, I understand that N854GT is operating this cargo routing but this aircraft is wearing the Atlas Air livery to my knowledge, is that correct? I'm waiting on their EY livery on the 747-8F  Do you know when this will be done?

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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:17 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 15):
Yes, I understand that N854GT is operating this cargo routing but this aircraft is wearing the Atlas Air livery to my knowledge, is that correct? I'm waiting on their EY livery on the 747-8F Do you know when this will be done?

It's an Atlas 747-8 painted in full EY livery operating MIA-VCP-UIO-AMS-AUH-HKG-ORD-MIA.

http://i.imgur.com/JgX64Pu.png

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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:40 pm

Did anyone know you cant discuss Etihad at pprune forum, they have a sticky informing posters not to as topics will be deleted.
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:26 am

Quoting etihadairways (Reply 7):
All the 2 class 77W are used on Asian routes BKK,MNL,KUL
And the newer 77W witch have 3 class are used on LHR,SYD & just recently NYC

What is the fleet break down between the two types? Are EY due to receive anymore two class 77W or are they all there class from now on?

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
I really doubt EK or QR are making money to GRU right now. It's so far and the fares are very competitive to the major volume destinations.

I would have thought however it would have been a very high yielding freight route, especially for meat!
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:59 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 3):
dont know what the reason for this is but from 01JUL, the new GRU route is already being reduced from daily A340 to 3 weekly only until the end of the S13 season i.e. till late OCT. This does not sound good...can somebody please elaborate further on this.

Low demand probably. As you said QR is not performing that well and TK will use the A343 instead of the planned B77W as well as is selling Y fares GRU-EZE-GRU for as low as USD 139

Quoting PZ707 (Reply 13):
Frequency reduced is a matter of GRU available slots, not because low bookings. Better slots will be ready by end of the year.

And they realize such problem just a week before the first flight ?
Why they sold tickets for daily flights ? Just bad planning ?

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
Great for Ethihad and Great for Sao Paulo, it now has all 3 Middle East airlines and Miami has none. I hope the Brazil is able to exploit new export markest in thet part of the world. When TAM joins OneWorld will it fly to Doha ? Interesting times we live in.

I believe it is excessive. Etihad will probably need to add a tag. I can't believe they all (plus TK) can fill their planes during week days.
And not to forget, Ethiopian soon will add GIG and GRU to their network... less potential demand for Africa.
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:58 am

Yes there are more brand new 2 Class B77W joining the EY fleet this year in a new configuration of 40 Business 340 Economy.
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:14 pm

Thank You ! you don' t know how good it is to see Four Holers flying the routes they have been buit for !
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:16 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
I really doubt EK or QR are making money to GRU right now.

I heard from someone working in QR's offices that they do quite well in Brazil. Now, I always keep that in perspective: Doing well is quite different from making money. On a relative basis it is probably a good route.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
As you said QR is not performing that well and TK will use the A343 instead of the planned B77W as well as is selling Y fares GRU-EZE-GRU for as low as USD 139

I can't help having the impression that TK is a house made of a deck of cards. Even US to Turkey had fares not too far from GRU-EZE. They have so much product on the shelf, they might as well give it for free.
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:24 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 5):
Is EY keeping their 345s? I think if they are intending on keeping them, they should pick up the ones that are sitting on the used aircraft market, often with low cycles and keep them for routes like this epic journey. If EY is not keeping the 345, then what will be operating routes like this with?

Yes EY is Keeping their A345s for WAS and GRU .
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:10 pm

What's the bilateral between Brazil and U.A.E. like?
Two airlines from U.A.E. flying 3 times per day (EK GRU, EK GIG-EZE, EY GRU) to Brazil.
Isn't usually one airline from each country or there's an open skies between Brazil and U.A.E.?
Would it come the time EK and EK will fight to see one of the two gone?
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:55 pm

I realize GRU is one of the largest cities in LatAm but EY should have gone to another city first instead becoming a "me too" at GRU. Perhaps they should have tried BOG, CCS or LIM first. The CCS yields should be stellar. Even something like PTY would have allowed them to be out front.
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:58 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 3):
dont know what the reason for this is but from 01JUL, the new GRU route is already being reduced from daily A340 to 3 weekly only until the end of the S13 season i.e

do not forget: economic slowdown in brazil, US Dollar becoming stronger, EK TK and QR are here too, to name a few.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 24):

Probably bi-laterals, and they don't fly to the same city.

just one example if air panama decided to serve brazil to "compete" with CM I'm sure the gov would let them. (once again just an example).
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:37 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 24):
Isn't usually one airline from each country or there's an open skies between Brazil and U.A.E.?

It's open skies: http://www2.anac.gov.br/arquivos/pdf...aterais/E/EmiradosArabesUnidos.pdf
 
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:18 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 25):
I realize GRU is one of the largest cities in LatAm but EY should have gone to another city first instead becoming a "me too" at GRU. Perhaps they should have tried BOG, CCS or LIM first. The CCS yields should be stellar. Even something like PTY would have allowed them to be out front.

None of these other cities comes close to SAO in wealth and ability to generate traffic, premium, and overall. GRU is a top-20 metro area in the world. One can add the economies around SCL, BOG, CCS and LIM together, and it is still not as big as Sao Paulo.
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RE: Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo

Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:26 pm

Quoting incitatus (Reply 28):
None of these other cities comes close to SAO in wealth and ability to generate traffic, premium, and overall. GRU is a top-20 metro area in the world. One can add the economies around SCL, BOG, CCS and LIM together, and it is still not as big as Sao Paulo.

  

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