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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:12 pm

Welcome to the 129th edition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread.

Link to the previous thread: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 128 (by 777ER May 16 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:46 pm

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10888007

A good article this moring in the Herald. Luxon is in Capetown for his IATA meeting this week.

He is looking at forging an alliance with another airline. Will it be SQ?

It's also good to see he is being honest with Airpoints. Rob Fyfe's attitude had always been not being aware of any criticism and Airpoints had been working very well.

If it was SQ, would NZ reintroduce SIN?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:57 pm

I don't think for one moment we will see NZ re-introduce its own metal on AKL-SIN.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:12 am

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 2):
I don't think for one moment we will see NZ re-introduce its own metal on AKL-SIN

Yea I don't see it any time soon either unless they strike a deal with SQ with SQ operating 285/286 and NZ taking over the 281/282 service (or even the CHC-SIN). Either way, won't be flying SIN competing with each other but rather complimenting each other.

RE Gasman in last post about the Maple Leaf vs the Fern. I see the point, but something about the leaf is not as tacky as the fern.
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:38 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 1):
He is looking at forging an alliance with another airline. Will it be SQ?

While HKG is in North Asia and SIN in South East Asia, I'd think NZ would rather grow the CX deal for other North Asian cities and India. I would think a deal opening more of Europe with someone like EY similar to what QF and EK are doing, problem for NZ-EY is it would be 2 stops as you need to do say AKL-SYD/MEL-AUH-Europe, rather than AKL-AUH-Europe, which brings as interesting point would EY do do AKL-AUH with an NZ codeshare with NZ getting a large chunk of seats to sell?! Or am I on the wrong track here?

I can't personally see NZ going back to SQ or SIN due to the past, and would SQ be interested? They weren't overly last time were they?

Also South America could be interesting, I wonder if there will be any talk of that this time around? NZ are getting 789s in just over 12 months freeing up aircraft for new routes.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:07 am

If the 789 is available a month or two earlier than presently expected, would NZ take them earlier than planned?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:38 am

Anyone know what happened to the the 3rd A320 that NZ had leased out? I though it was meant to have returned over a year ago.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:39 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 1):
A good article this moring in the Herald. Luxon is in Capetown for his IATA meeting this week.

He is looking at forging an alliance with another airline. Will it be SQ?

It's difficult to know what the perceived problem is.

Qantas' Asian problem is its complete absence of any network for getting Australian executives to multiple Chinese cities, and indeed anywhere in Asia other than SIN, HKG, NRT and PVG.

But Air New Zealand has no such dilemma because there is no such outbound market to Asia from New Zealand, other than the VFR to China which is already covered by existing flights and partnerships.

I think that Air New Zealand's network is pretty appropriate for the nation's footprint and links. I'd prefer to have more destinations in North America and a couple more in Europe, but neither is a biggie for me.

Really, if I had one long-haul wish for Air New Zealand it would be that it get Virgin Australia out of its joint venture across the Pacific with Delta and instead develop a proper long-haul joint venture with Virgin Australia using the combined fleets to right-size aircraft and to optimise frequencies.

To give an example, currently VA has three times weekly 77W BNE-LAX flights and on the other four days passengers have to fly via Sydney. That flight feeds some passengers on to SFO on Virgin America. In other words, currently three times weekly VA pax to SFO route BNE-LAX-SFO, and four days weekly they fly BNE-SYD-LAX-SFO. What a waste, especially when 19.99% of VA is owned by Air NZ. Those passengers should be flying BNE-AKL-SFO.

I'd prefer to see a three times weekly 77E flight BNE-LAX, with NZ-operated VA-coded flights via Auckland on the other four days and with SFO passengers funnelled via AKL on a daily NZ 77W.

Similarly, the VA and NZ codeshares with Etihad are currently half-baked and under-utilised. I'd prefer to see the partnership taken much more seriously, so that Air NZ can devote NZ1/2 AKL-LAX-LHR as much as possible to sale of the two individual sectors, with passengers to Manchester, Paris etc instead funnelled AKL-BNE-AUH-destination.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:52 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 6):
Anyone know what happened to the the 3rd A320 that NZ had leased out? I though it was meant to have returned over a year ago.

Of the original batch all are accounted for. OJJ was on sold during production and never ever got into Air New Zealand hands. OJK is back and OJL had the accident in France just prior to returning. OJK and OJL were the only A320s leased out by Air New Zealand.

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Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:11 am

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 8):
Of the original batch all are accounted for. OJJ was on sold during production and never ever got into Air New Zealand hands. OJK is back and OJL had the accident in France just prior to returning. OJK and OJL were the only A320s leased out by Air New Zealand.

Thanks it was OJK that I was looking for, being returned last year what seats does it have?
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:25 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 3):
RE Gasman in last post about the Maple Leaf vs the Fern. I see the point, but something about the leaf is not as tacky as the fern.

Both the leaf and the fern are both known as cultural/national meaning in each country. AC has the leaf on its tail due it being a national symbol. I don't have any issue with NZ having the fern as its tail logo, in fact I would love the black/silver fern colours on every NZ tail. The silver fern holds national meaning (mainly thanks to the sporting teams) so its fitting to me
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:47 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
Both the leaf and the fern are both known as cultural/national meaning in each country

I would kindly request that you and Kiwirob please not leave blood everywhere while discussing this topic. I don't mind you disagreeing, but please don't kill each other.

It all seems rather sad to me.

We can argue til the cows come home as to the flag, national emblem, rugby team's colours, etc.

But at the end of the day, Air New Zealand's teal colour and tail Koru are immensely powerful branding tools that long-haul flyers in the USA, UK, Australia and New Zealand recognise and associate with an extremely high-quality airline.

And that brand power is being thrown away in a bid to match the colour of the All Blacks' kit, even though less than 1% of Americans have ever heard of the All Blacks, and 80% of English people and 60% of Australians despise rugby (union) because they perceive it as what it is in their countries: as a geographically-limited code of football for over-privileged boys at private boarding schools.

In other words, a blue-chip brand is being flushed down the toilet in favour of one which plays as follows in Air New Zealand's top markets:

1. Australia - despised brand
2. USA - unknown brand
3. China - unknown brand
4. UK - despised brand

Never mind, I'm sure it plays really positively in Samoa, Fiji and Tonga.

And of course in South Africa rugby is the game of the former oppressor minority, and in Argentina it again is the sport of boys who went to private boarding schools.

If Air New Zealand had commissioned a planned attack on its own brand in its foreign markets, they couldn't have done any better than All-Black branding and livery.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:58 am

Quoting koruman (Reply 11):
And that brand power is being thrown away in a bid to match the colour of the All Blacks' kit, even though less than 1% of Americans have ever heard of the All Blacks, and 80% of English people and 60% of Australians despise rugby (union) because they perceive it as what it is in their countries: as a geographically-limited code of football for over-privileged boys at private boarding schools.

Not to mention black means death in many of the Asian countries. I am surprised Rob Fyfe would rather put his airline's image in jeopardy in these markets than showcasing his own perceived and biased value and hobby. I doubt any research was done.

Australia and Qantas, on the other hand, have realised that soccer has a real potential and future. Qantas is an official sponsor of the Socceroos and A-League. Guess who is sponsoring the All Whites? Thai Airways.

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Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:19 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 1):
A good article this moring in the Herald. Luxon is in Capetown for his IATA meeting this week.

He is looking at forging an alliance with another airline. Will it be SQ?

I enjoyed the article, there seemed to be something for everyone, including the upper end FF's.  

With regard to an alliance, I guess Singapore is the obvious one. Then they'd bracket Australia and could get together and both buy Virgin Australia - with Air NZ as the (just) majority shareholder, of course, and Etihad in there somewhere.

I suppose it would raise the spectre of Ansett, but these are different times and different people and I'd give a couple of cheers if it happened.

But it's so obvious it's almost boring to me. I'd rather something a bit less obvious, a bit more out in left field, but with that comes more risk.

It's why I like the idea of the code share with Turkish - that really caught me by surprise. I think it's a potential beauty and I wonder if anything is ever going to happen with it.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:21 am

ZK-SJC has apparently flown its last flight for Air New Zealand today.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 9):
Thanks it was OJK that I was looking for, being returned last year what seats does it have?

Should be the same as all the others in the Tasman/Pacific A320 fleet as they are operated interchangeably.

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Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:52 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 13):
It's why I like the idea of the code share with Turkish - that really caught me by surprise. I think it's a potential beauty and I wonder if anything is ever going to happen with it.

It might not have been just a random cooperation. TK has just announced that they would open SYD in 2014 via Asia (possibly SIN) and would move to SYD-IST non-stop in 3 years once they get their 777-200LR. For NZ passengers, that would give you one stop to Europe. The EY codeshare deal looks to me like a way to persuade EY not to fly to AKL rather than NZ wanting to feed pax through Abu Dhabi.
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:00 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 14):
ZK-SJC has apparently flown its last flight for Air New Zealand today.

That could be a good thing..... she was looking very shabby back in January

Quoting zkojq (Reply 14):

Should be the same as all the others in the Tasman/Pacific A320 fleet as they are operated interchangeably.

I know the SJ branded new delivered had a more stripped back interior than the NZ standard.
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:26 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 16):
That could be a good thing..... she was looking very shabby back in January

I flew on her two years or so ago - the interior looked fine then. Hope she finds a good home.


Quoting zkncj (Reply 16):
I know the SJ branded new delivered had a more stripped back interior than the NZ standard.

But this has been amended through the interior refits inwhich the Panasonic EX2s were installed, right?
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Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:32 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 15):
It might not have been just a random cooperation. TK has just announced that they would open SYD in 2014 via Asia (possibly SIN) and would move to SYD-IST non-stop in 3 years once they get their 777-200LR. For NZ passengers, that would give you one stop to Europe.

I agree, I don't think it was random.

I think that's good stuff - and even better if Air NZ met up with Turkish somewhere in Asia as well. It would win me - I think Istanbul (and Turkey) is a grand place to have a stopover on the way to Europe.,

I guess the question is - how far ahead is Mr. Luxon looking, and what does he see?

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Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:34 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
The silver fern holds national meaning (mainly thanks to the sporting teams) so its fitting to me

Well the way I see it. The silver fern which is a symbol of the NZRFU is associated with sports teams. This is the one with the sharp edges. The one I refer to as tacky is the cheap looking one used on flags you get at the 2 dollar shop which is also the same one proposed for the national flag. Either way, I much prefer the koru on the tail.

Quoting koruman (Reply 11):
We can argue til the cows come home as to the flag, national emblem, rugby team's colours, etc. But at the end of the day, Air New Zealand's teal colour and tail Koru are immensely powerful branding tools that long-haul flyers in the USA, UK, Australia and New Zealand recognise and associate with an extremely high-quality airline.

I agree with you. And your entire post makes sense to me. It seems this re-branding is another sign of what many see as a move from a legacy quality carrier, towards a Low cost carrier

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 12):
Not to mention black means death in many of the Asian countries.

Yea that's true. Ironic how people keep harping on about Asia being the biggest growth market etc (I'm not saying it is or it isn't) yet they paint it black which signifies death.
Some on here would say this is petty, but then so is having the number 8 in the flight number on Asian routes and the company did that...

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 12):
Qantas is an official sponsor of the Socceroos and A-League

Yup, yet they haven't painted all their tails yellow and green...

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 12):
Guess who is sponsoring the All Whites? Thai Airways.

It's funny. Seeing the Kiwis play and 'Malaysian Airlines' all over their Jesery, or Team NZ with EK all over it. But I guess that's business.

God forbid the day if the NZRU needs more cash and signs with EK as their sponsor, what will happen to NZ then? Would it still be a good thing to be all black then?
 
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 19):
It seems this re-branding is another sign of what many see as a move from a legacy quality carrier, towards a Low cost carrier

I'm an LCC advocate and I don't see it as that.

The black is just not a design choice I like, although I understand why some would. I think it's better with the silver fern leaf, but I still prefer the older livery and with the Pacific Wave.

I'm not sure it matters to the travelling public, though, and I think there are some crap legacy liveries out there.

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Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:50 am

Just got back from a trip to HKG on NZ87/80. In economy, the loads are around 90% full, but the large majority of passengers are mainland Chinese, a few Europeans, and even fewer HKG residents. On HKG-AKL, there are quite a number of passengers who hold CX issued boarding passes. It seems to me that the route has good loads of transit passengers but I wonder what the yields will be.
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:16 am

Quoting koruman (Reply 11):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):Both the leaf and the fern are both known as cultural/national meaning in each country
I would kindly request that you and Kiwirob please not leave blood everywhere while discussing this topic. I don't mind you disagreeing, but please don't kill each other.

LOL, had no intention of killing him

Quoting koruman (Reply 11):
But at the end of the day, Air New Zealand's teal colour and tail Koru are immensely powerful branding tools that long-haul flyers in the USA, UK, Australia and New Zealand recognise and associate with an extremely high-quality airline.

Yes that's very true and that is something NZ needs to consider when changing its colour scheme. I wonder how much thought was given to the black tail? Airlines still need to change their livery - just look at Air Pacific and American. In regards to Air Pacific its a total name/livery change and some people who knew Air Pacific won't know its now Air Fiji and will get confused when they booked via Air Pacific's web-site but check-in, receive the boarding pass and board an Air Fiji branded aircraft.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 19):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):The silver fern holds national meaning (mainly thanks to the sporting teams) so its fitting to me

Well the way I see it. The silver fern which is a symbol of the NZRFU is associated with sports teams. This is the one with the sharp edges. The one I refer to as tacky is the cheap looking one used on flags you get at the 2 dollar shop which is also the same one proposed for the national flag. Either way, I much prefer the koru on the tail.

Ahhh, have to admit I got confused by your post about the flag change but now the bells are ringing.
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Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:50 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):
I think that's good stuff - and even better if Air NZ met up with Turkish somewhere in Asia as well. It would win me - I think Istanbul (and Turkey) is a grand place to have a stopover on the way to Europe.,

Yep. I am sure it will happen in the next year or so.

If they drop a 77W into SYD even via SIN as it will start, it will be my new way of going to Europe.
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Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:00 pm

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Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:49 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 22):
LOL, had no intention of killing him

Were we even discussing anything?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 22):
I wonder how much thought was given to the black tail?

I would say next to no thought whatsoever, it should have remained TEAL.

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If they drop a 77W into SYD even via SIN as it will start, it will be my new way of going to Europe.

The TK lounge in IST is amazing, head and shoulders the best I've ever been in. I would use them to fly back to NZ from Norway over any other carrier if NZ and TK come to an arrangement.
 
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Quoting mariner (Reply 13):
With regard to an alliance, I guess Singapore is the obvious one. Then they'd bracket Australia and could get together and both buy Virgin Australia - with Air NZ as the (just) majority shareholder, of course, and Etihad in there somewhere.

Air NZ is raising its stake in Virgin Australia to 23% and may go to 26%:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10888772

Air New Zealand has agreed to lift its holding in Virgin Australia to about 23 percent from 19.99 percent in a series of off-market transactions and indicated it may seek to hold as much as 26 percent.

At that point, Air NZ and Singapore would own about 46%. Hmmm.

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Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:33 am

From another thread, NZ has won best Y-class as judged by...

TheDesignAir @ Top 10 Economy Classes Of 2013

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/5781254/

Not sure how much mana that carries with it, but good news nevertheless for NZ.
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Quoting mariner (Reply 26):
Air NZ is raising its stake in Virgin Australia to 23% and may go to 26%

I thought going over 20% NZ would have to launch a takeover bid.
 
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Quoting xiaotung (Reply 28):
I thought going over 20% NZ would have to launch a takeover bid.

I thought that, too, but according to another article they can increase their holding by 3% every six months without having to launch a full takeover.

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Quoting mariner (Reply 29):
I thought that, too, but according to another article they can increase their holding by 3% every six months without having to launch a full takeover.

I wonder what their motive is. Is there really any difference between 20% and 30% if they don't plan to take over VA? Perhaps the deal was to deny any chance of EY taking control?
 
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Quoting xiaotung (Reply 30):
I wonder what their motive is.

I can only guess at that, especially as they are not asking for a seat on the board. A stealth move, maybe?

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 30):
Is there really any difference between 20% and 30% if they don't plan to take over VA? Perhaps the deal was to deny any chance of EY taking control?

I don't see a lot of difference between the two numbers - unless they have a long-term game plan.

I'm not sure it even denies Etihad much - maybe someone else would sell to them. And a deal between Etihad and Singapore would give them a joint holding of 30%.

EDIT: Just found this, which has one possible explanation:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...-australia-stake-seeks-3-more.html

“They are defending their patch,” David Fraser, Sydney-based analyst at Nomura Holdings Inc., said by phone. “They want to be at the table when and if Singapore Airlines pushes for a board seat. I’d expect them to push for a board seat, too.”

Not sure I buy it. Air NZ could oush for a board seat now.

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Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:16 am

In this stuff article http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu.../8763819/Air-NZ-lifts-Virgin-stake it says

""The additional interest affirms Air New Zealand's strong belief and confidence in Virgin Australia and the strategy it is pursuing under the leadership of John Borghetti and his team," says an Air New Zealand statement."

NZ certainly believes something excellent is happening at VA and under its current leadership VA has a strong life/expansion options. Could NZ be interested in inviting VA to join star? Could this move enable NZ (and to some extent SQ also) to block VA from joining Sky Team and DL more?

This new move to further enhance its shares is IMHO a very interesting move and is something that we should now be looking at with interest because NZ certainly (again IMHO) are on the attack
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Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:22 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 32):
Could NZ be interested in inviting VA to join star? Could this move enable NZ (and to some extent SQ also) to block VA from joining Sky Team and DL more?

Any of those is possible, I guess.

The only other hint out there is that Etihad has said it is not interested in a larger holding - at the moment, anyway - because it has become heavily involved in Jet Airways, which they think has greater potential returns.

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http://www.theage.com.au/business/si...alue-in-virgin-20130531-2nhd0.html

This article says SQ is looking at strengthening loyalty programme with VA as clearly Velocity is lagging behind QFF. Perhaps for VA to raise the profile of Velocity they really should consider joing Star. For a largely domestic player, they could feed (or be fed) nearly 10 Star members serving Australia. It's a no brainer to me. What are they waiting for?
 
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Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:46 am

The statement says they are not interested in a VA takeover OR a seat on the board.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 25):
The TK lounge in IST is amazing, head and shoulders the best I've ever been in. I would use them to fly back to NZ from Norway over any other carrier if NZ and TK come to an arrangement.

They are my airline of choice for longhaul Y+ and Y travel. Their Business I haven't tried yet, but it certainly won't be bad given that the amentity kits in Y are better than the Biz amenties on NZ....
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Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:06 am

A few stories today from down under.


''Dismissal of Air NZ flight attendant justified''

A flight attendant fired by Air New Zealand for her conduct on a flight between Auckland and Rarotonga has lost her claim for unjustified dismissal.

Jennifer Kilpatrick's behaviour on the flight was so worrying the captain considered standing her down because she was compromising safety, the Employment Relations Authority (ERA) said.

The authority dismissed Ms Kilpatrick's personal grievance claims against the airline, raised after she was fired last year.

The dismissal came after an Auckland-Rarotonga-Auckland tour in March 2012, when the flight service manager became so concerned by Ms Kilpatrick's disruptive and uncooperative behaviour that she called two other senior managers to meet the flight in Auckland to discuss her conduct.

After passengers left the plane, the managers attempted to give Ms Kilpatrick feedback about her performance

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10888766
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:08 am

What changed there mind??

''Price-fixing case: Air NZ agrees to settle''

Air New Zealand has done a u-turn in its long-running air-cargo case with the Commerce Commission and has agreed to settle the proceedings.

The national carrier and the regulator had originally reached a settlement agreement in the price-fixing litigation but Air New Zealand made a 11th hour bid to cancel the deal.
However, in a joint statement this afternoon from both parties, Air New Zealand has appeared to have backed down and agreed to settle:

"Air New Zealand has withdrawn its proceeding challenging the Settlement Agreement in the Air Cargo proceeding and will pay costs to the Commission in relation to the settlement of this dispute. The parties have agreed a basis for settling the proceedings.
There will now be a penalty hearing and the parties are seeking the earliest available date for that hearing," the statement said.

Ten other airlines have admitted their role in the price-fixing case and have paid penalties of $35 million.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10888607
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:11 am

How will NZ respond to this ??


Hawaiian hopes high for Kiwi route - Daily to come soon??

Hawaiian Airlines will look to add more services to its Auckland-Honolulu route if demand follows the same patterns as flights to Australia.

The airline's president and chief executive, Mark Dunkerley, said the thrice-weekly service would be stepped up during school holidays later this year and permanent increases in frequency were possible.

"I think we're very encouraged by what we've seen - we've been able to add some frequencies later in the year. We're seeing some growing interest southbound out of the United States as well," he said during a break at the International Air Transport Association meeting in Cape Town.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10888683
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:12 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 12):
Guess who is sponsoring the All Whites? Thai Airways.

Well at least they left it to Thai...If Air NZ sponsored the All Whites and put as much effort into that as they are now with the All Blacks.....
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:58 pm

Quoting Palmyboy12 (Reply 39):

Hehe LOL I think NZ would have more brains then leaving it white like that with that type of 'logo jet' and splash 'All Whites' markings on it!
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:54 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 32):

NZ certainly believes something excellent is happening at VA

As a long time customer of AirNZ and (more recently) a customer of Virgin Australia, you're right - something excellent is indeed happening at VA. Their premium onboard offering and FF program are first class. From a corporate perspective, AirNZ are doing the right thing as a company in buying in to them - it prevents VA from becoming a regional competitor, gives NZ leverage against Qantas, future access to a solid Australian frequent flyer base, complements / enhances NZ's S2S strategy on the Tasman, the list goes on, and even if all that weren't true it would be a sound medium term financial investment anyway. It's a smart move from NZ and TBH one of the easier investment decisions. Being a VA and NZ customer (in fairly equal measures) provides a intersting insight though - more than anything else it underlines how important competition is and shows what happens when there is a lack of it.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:28 am

After reviewing the cultural tattoo policy, NZ has kept it's stance of no visible tattoos. Good on them.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:58 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 42):

After reading this article http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...769035/Air-NZ-stands-by-tattoo-ban it got me thinking, if the Asian customers aren't comfortable dealing with crew with Maori tattoo's as NZ say then why do Asian tourists visit Maori tourism sites in Rotorua where a Maori group 'challanges' the visitors with tattoo's on their faces? Wouldn't the 'challange' scare the visitors more then a tattoo from a smiling crew member serving your meal or welcoming you on board?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:23 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 43):

I think many tourists see it as a tourist attraction, hence tattoos etc are part of the attraction they have paid to see. They also expect to see the Maori at the shows in traditional flax clothing etc, not suits and dresses. To many tourists I would imagine they see Maori culture as a show (because cultural concerts etc are commercialized, you pay for a ticket to see a concert), and tattoos are part of that. Show's do not in many people's mindset reflect real life where some may see tats as threatening.

NZ is not a Maori cultural concert/experience so the grooming standards are different, the airline has to convey a professional, non-threatening image.

It's all about having/maintaining a grooming standard.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:18 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 43):
if the Asian customers aren't comfortable dealing with crew with Maori tattoo's as NZ say then why do Asian tourists visit Maori tourism sites in Rotorua where a Maori group 'challanges' the visitors with tattoo's on their faces?

Have you been to one of those shows? I took a group of colleges from various Asian countries to the Tamaki Brothers show many years ago, most found it funny and had a hard time keeping a straight face, it's almost a Disney level experience, not something to take seriously.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:57 am

After JQ publicly stated that they would gladly give Ms Nathan an interview despite of her tattoo, does anyone on here actually know if she applied to them or went for an interview?

AFAIK the JQ policy on tats is the same as the QF one which is also the same as the NZ one (no visible Tats)
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:35 am

Now that CZ have taken hold of the 787 and an internal memo has put AKL along with CDG and LHR on the list of routes, how long before this happens? this would then free up the A332 to start a CHC service maybe! ?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:00 am

Now that we are into the final year before the new T2 opens at LHR (home of Star Alliance)

NZ will finally make the move from T1 to T2 on the 22 October 2014 -

http://www.heathrowairport.com/flight-information/airline-moves

Also the New T2 will have 4 check in zones - and NZ will operate out of Zone D

http://www.heathrowairport.com/about...w-terminal-2/who-will-be-operating

With the move also that year to the TBIT at LAX do you think the London date will move? (unless the stop the NZ2 service??)
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129

Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:05 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 47):
Now that CZ have taken hold of the 787 and an internal memo has put AKL along with CDG and LHR on the list of routes, how long before this happens? this would then free up the A332 to start a CHC service maybe! ?

AKL is overdue. It was supposed to receive CZ 787 flight in about October last year. That was always the plan, CHC well we will see. still a lot more to be done down there before hotels are back to full strength
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