BritishMidland
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Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Thu Oct 26, 2000 11:13 am

Ok ok ... this has been a hot topic on the forums lately, Is Caledonian Wings legit, real, etc etc. Basically this is a call to Ceilidh to come here and clear anything up. We have heard from people from South Africa and Great Britain claiming to know Neil. I would like for Neil to tell us more about AfriCargo: ie how long it was operated, why the failure, who is "Vauxhall Cross/f_boot"? Why is SAS23 or whatever on this guys back? What is the real deal? And with all due respect to the parties involved in this ... COME CLEAN!!! you don't know us personally and your credibility is not at stake as we are just random people on the net.
I am sure people, including myself and a gentleman from Perth would like to know what is the deal with Caledonian Wings, and howcome when I read my SpeedNews everyweek I hear, see nothing about Caledonian Wings getting some DL L1011s, or that Caledonian Wings is negotiating with Delta or anyother airline for that matter. Now, Neil as you reply to this realize that "it was a personal call, only me and the CEO of XXX airline knew we were talking" BS. because you and I and everyone else knows that when Leo Mullin has an itchy nose people find out, I think it would be extremely difficult for news like "Scotland Start-up Negotiating to Assume Delta's L1011 Fleet for ACMI Operation". If this is legit, prove it. Show us scanned documents of something substantial ... anyone can make a website with Microsoft programs. Anyone can talk the talk, can you really walk the walk?! I am beginning to wonder, and as your credibility dwindles in the eyes of many .... as it did for that poor fool who had a naming contest for his Illinois Start-up "Endeavor".... seems that project never took off from Meigs in FS2000. It would be one thing if somewhere else on the internet there was relevant news regarding your supposed operation, but there is not.

Tell us all about you, about your people, about AfriCargo, about "vauxhall Cross / f_boot" and your connection with them, as well as SAS232 (or something), we need something to grab on, it is hard to grasp the concept of this airline when your posts are flawed with mal-information and malpractice. Of course a deal with an airline is going to end up failed ... when you have no aircraft.

Here is your slogan ... "For when you have nothing... Close your eyes we'll take you there .... Caledonian Wings"

Later
BD
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Pilot1113
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Thu Oct 26, 2000 11:42 am

What is this all about? I never once claimed to be starting an airline.

I don't even have the money to buy a proper lunch, let alone a fleet of L1011s from Delta!

- Neil Harrison
 
BritishMidland
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Thu Oct 26, 2000 2:51 pm

not you dingleberry.

Neil Robertson! famed CEO of Caledonian Wings, the airline with its wings clipped or not grown or? well the darn airline just don't exist or never will due to Neil's inability to even remotely extend us the courtesy of telling us about it, instead of go to the website and read it. ahem bullsh!t (sorry kiddos) ... anyways .. neil ... WTF man? quit the line of bullshit and tell us the details.
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Thu Oct 26, 2000 2:52 pm

Clarification - you want it, you got it.

Africargo was simply the trading name for cargo operations that were conducted out of Burundi, where I was CEO of a regional carrier City Connexion Airlines (ICAO: CIX; IATA: G3/323). We leased in B707/IL76 aircraft from time to time. Originally, the plan was to operate out of South Africa with an ops base (for tax purposes) in Mauritius, but as anyone in the business will tell you, the yields went through the floor a couple of years back and it just wasn't going to work. I also own a significant share in the last two operational CL44s.

F_boot - someone best described as a cyberstalker both here and on PPRuNe - appears to be an ex employee of the CL44 operation, apparently fired for gross incompetency or for endangering the lives of the crew. I don't know who he is - and frankly I don't care. He has hijacked the PPRuNe identities of two (or more) posters on PPRuNe - HugMonster and Vauxhall Cross. (see http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/Forum41/HTML/001328.html)

As for reading about it in Speednews, there have been various items in the past; but under the previous project name Celtic Airways; together with articles in The Scotsman, The Independent and various other publications. (I'll email you some bits and pieces, if your email is in your profile). My intention had been to keep things fairly low profile, with simply an informative website for the trade and go with a major splash once the ducks are in a row; but F_boot's antics have rather let the cat out of the bag.

As you can appreciate with a global forum such as this, PR is of vital concern which is why I spend so much time having to repudiate the crap that is being thrown around - my personal pilosophy is that the proof of the pudding is in the eating: just wait for several L10s to arrive at PIK!

One thing I can assure you of is this. I have a first class management team put in place with many years of major airline experience - and we're doing our utmost to make sure it does work.
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Thu Oct 26, 2000 2:54 pm

I see you don't have an email - you'll just have to email me. Mine is in my profile.
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Thu Oct 26, 2000 3:03 pm

Neil

You can email me some of the "bits and pieces" you mention.

You have my email address

Cheers
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Thu Oct 26, 2000 3:37 pm

Scott - one such article has just been emailed to you.
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Thu Oct 26, 2000 4:41 pm

Josef - some words of advice, my friend. I know you're only a kid (your profile gives your age as 16-20), but if you want to get anywhere in this or any other business it isn't a good idea to be abusive with people - calling people you don't know "dingleberry" or claiming that other people's posts are "flawed with mal-information and malpractice" - without having the courtesy to give examples of points you're challenging (and incidentally I suggest you look up malpractice in the dictionary!) aren't the sort of things to endear you to others.

As you saw, you only had to ask the questions in a nice, calm, civilised manner and I answered them.

Easy, isn't it?      
 
agrodemm
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Thu Oct 26, 2000 5:12 pm

Ceilidh : Just say , Caledonian is hiring ..... and half of the forum will start asking questions.......
Even kids, will start asking how they can become pilots...

I really can not understand why some people are always trying to undermine other's efforts.
As I have already stated in another topic..... it doesn't matter whether it is a VA or not. But as an effort it is great. 4/5 of the posts here, are just subjective comments that arise from pure emotions and our interest in Aviation.
Even if all these are fake, why do you critisize such a complete effort?

Regards,

The CFO  
 
Scotty
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Thu Oct 26, 2000 6:30 pm

Hi Neil

You say

"just wait for several L10s to arrive at PIK! "

I'll be there. So will many others. When?

Scotty

 
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Agrodemm

Thu Oct 26, 2000 6:55 pm

Howdy

I really can not understand why some people are always trying to undermine other's efforts.

Undermine other's efforts? Excuse me, Neil decided to come onto this forum, and I have said all along before he came here, that I do not believe that this project is for real, and if it is for real, that it will last for long. Anyone can put out a press release, but only seeing the airline in operation and for more than a baby's fart will I be even remotely come to being made eat my words. If he does not want to be grilled maybe he shouldn't be here.

As I have already stated in another topic..... it doesn't matter whether it is a VA or not.

Ummm....yes it does. We have someone here who claims he is credible, and starting up an airline. If it is in fact a VA, then his credibility is shot up the a***

4/5 of the posts here, are just subjective comments that arise from pure emotions and our interest in Aviation.

No, I believe that all the posts by people who have nothing else to say but "Good luck...blah blah blah"... are subjective. Maybe you need to do some research for yourself, on the background of Neil's other ventures....some say non-existent (i.e. Africargo)....... some are proven to be failed before they even took off (i.e. Lionair)......some would say of dubious operation (City Connexion). Only once you have done this can you even claim to know the difference between objectivity and subjectivity.

Even if all these are fake, why do you critisize such a complete effort?

If this is fake, Neil has managed to sucker some people in (not me mind you), and hence his credibility would be worth as much the paper his CPL is printed on.
 
TriStar
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RE: Ceilidh

Thu Oct 26, 2000 11:54 pm

Ceilidh,

I can only second what you told Britshmidland. The interesting side of that being you don't seem to practice what you preach, yourself, all the time. If you're going to tell "a kid" how he should or should not behave, it would look good on you to set the example.

Don't worry; I'm not interested in starting another flame war. I don't know you, therefore I have no interest in dishonouring you.
I just wish you had that same courtesy or class you mentioned when commenting on other airlines. If you are the CEO you say you are, do you think it would be appreciated by other CEO's if you go about using outdated acronyms to comment on their airlines? For those who are puzzled, allow me to refer to http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/309940/. Very courteous, indeed...

Just a thought.

Furthermore, good luck with any plans or projects you may have.

Best regards,

TriStar.
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Fri Oct 27, 2000 12:13 am

Oh this is such a load of horsesh*t.

Neil has no obligation to defend his airline to you, or anyone. That he is here, with an extensive knwoledge of aviation, is and should be a delight to us all. In my opinion, Ceilidh is one of the most considerate, relaxed, and truly classy posters on here. The Sabena thing means nothing Tristar, its a funny, dumb acronym followed with three smileys. Hardly, a inconsiderate "flame war" so many of this forum's posters have thrust upon him.

He has consistently, and politely, repsonded to most every criticism on here (usually from the same people) and most with little backing (with execption of Brissie's from time to time). Greggj is a jackass and this Freebot, F_Boot, Vauxhall, whatever is indeed a nut. He has hounded Neil over at pprunre also, to the chagrin, of that forum's mambers also.

BritishMidland, your post was ridicuously rude, and arrogant, and you should consider yourself forunate you got a responce at all.

I too, am getting sick and tired of this relentless hounding of Cal Wings. It's old already, and most of it is baseless. Neil has every right to defend his name in the face of obnoxious slander, and your constant taunting and abuse may just drive him to it.

It comes down to this, Neil is attempting to put together a succesfuly enterprise, with what seems to have a lot of money, time, and organization behind it. The airline should be taking to the air this coming spring. Am I correct Neil? Let's wait till them and view Gary's pics if Cal Wings does indeed take to the sky. Untill than, get a life, stop being such jackasses, and lets move on.

BritishMidland, I highly adivse you to relax and treat your fellow members with a bit more respect you jerk.

Regards,
Russell
 
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TWAneedsMoreHelpThanCaldedonianWings

Fri Oct 27, 2000 1:32 am

what a hock of horse shit? Yes indeed, this man is filling you with the largest amount of horseshit since the Kentucky Derby cleaned out the stalls ... the key word you are missing is IF. This will never happen, and if it does, please post the pictures on this site in Caledonian Wings colors. He spents "a lot of time" working on the airline? haha... this joker spends more time creating paper and acting like a fool.

later suckers (not brissie lions)
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Fri Oct 27, 2000 1:32 am

Scott (Brissie) - whilst you are entitled to your opinion it would be nice if you could get your facts straight first - and preferrably from those that were really there rather than 5th hand hearsay or mysterious people that claim to know me yet decline to be identified.

Africargo was far from non existent - as covered above; Lionair remained a paper airline but as I know you're aware the concept was appropriated by another party; and the owners of City Connexion would be highly upset to learn of your description of it as a "dubious operation". Dubious in what way, exactly?

Final thought for you, Scott - you, too, want to set up an airline. How would you like to be treated the same way that you're treating me and this project at the moment? And have you given any consideration to the number of airline projects that never take to the skies - yet have been founded with every intention of doing so? A couple of examples of what it takes can be found here in the UK at the moment - Air Wales recently received its AOC after three years in the making; whilst hopeful DHC8 operator Celtic Airways Ltd has been on the drawing board for the best part of four years now. Does taht make John Orpin, its MD, give up? Nope - he's battling on - and I have every confidence he will get it flying.

It's easy to sneer at people, Scott - it's far less easy to get out and accomplish things!

TriStar - if you read the thread, it was asking what people thought of Sabena's service. I simply pointed out that their long standing - and widely acknowledged- acronym summed their service standards up nicely. That was a personal view; and one which appears to be held by many others judging by the thread! Thank you for your good wishes, though.
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Fri Oct 27, 2000 1:37 am

Britishmidland - a quick check of my postings will show that I don't generally come on here between 0900 and 1800 or so BST - so you can hardly claim that I'm spending corporate time on here!

You obviously don't have the faintest idea of what's entailed in setting up any sort of business - let alone an airline. I suggest you go back to your FS2000 and leave this forum to those that are somewhat more mature and can at least express themselves without resorting to invective.

Have a nice day, now!
 
TriStar
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RE: Britishmidland

Fri Oct 27, 2000 2:11 am

Britishmidland,

Beware of generalising.

If you had an e-mail address where to get in touch with you, I would gladly elaborate.

Best regards,

TriStar.
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Fri Oct 27, 2000 4:19 am

Neil

What I stated about your other ventures, may not be all my opinion, but rather be the general concensus from various people on the continent.

As for City Connexion's dubious operations, what I am going to state here is nothing that can't be found on the net, if only people would care to search for it. I have seen on a couple of Burundi news sites (for those who don't know, Bujumbura in Burundi is where City Connexion is based).

These news sites, outright accuse, some with "proof" and some with heresay, that City Connexion has been/ is being used by the Goetz's for the smuggling of diamonds, but mainly gold, out of Zaire. Don't the Goetz's have considerably gold interests in Belgium? These various reports also say that the Goetz's were run out of Burundi because of this smuggling? Think about it Neil, here you have a carrier which has gotten IATA accreditation (this is basically as simple as applying and paying for it), operating a "legitimate" airline, but in reality is using these flights to smuggle gold. Why can't one legitimately think this when they have gotten information from legitimate sources. I do not expect you to confirm that City Connexion is involved in the smuggling of gold, because that would be implicating yourself in illegal operations as well, wouldn't it?

Now you did say that you left Burundi before the Goetz' were "forced" to leave Bujumbura for a spell, and the attempted nationalisation of the airline (and the bank also of which you are a director, are you not? correct me on this if I am wrong please) by the Burundi government. But this is what these news services, from Burundi, and also European reporters have reported (not on you, but on the Goetz's).

You have also mentioned that the new Burundi government is corrupt.....well from what I can ascertain the previous government was just as corrupt. How is one to know that the new government in Burundi wasn't happy with whatever arrangements the Goetz's had with the previous government? It is possible isn't it? Maybe not, who is to know though, right? Just look at the DRC, where Kabila is just as bad as the corrupt, despot he replaced in Mobutu. You can say, it is not true, but if it was, I doubt you would admit it on a public forum anyway. Remember, I am not implying anything, merely suggesting a possibility!

As for me wanting to set up an airline. You have it half right Neil. I am working towards, eventually, obtaining a Cessna Caravan or similar sized aircraft, for which I want to run aerial/ground safaris in the north-west of Western Australia, and target these safaris towards the European backpacker market (mainly 18-25s). But the air operation side of things is only side of my dream, as it also includes 4WD'ing, camping, and everything else in between. Western Australia takes up a 1/3 of the size of Australia, and for these backpackers to get to the places they want to see, often involves a 30-40 drive (and that would be non-stop). I have worked at the government department in the past which is responsible for giving business grants to those with a sound business idea (but not the financial backing to get things rolling), and the feedback from people who I have run my ideas past, are sure it would be a winner, and have given me great encouragement, and most importantly, have also criticized where it is warranted. I have a lot of saving of money to do, and a lot of study to do, and a lot of tests to pass, and hey, it may never happen, but as you have said, it is nice to dream. I am still doing a lot of research into the background stuff, and am talking to a lot of people, and getting positive and negative feedback on different aspects, but I really do think that me wanting to operate a single Caravan-sized aircraft on specialised tours in a market (that of backpackers) which is largely untapped, is completely different to an operation which will acquire 40+ 250-seater airliners, and operating in a market which is dog-eat-dog, and is already full of operators (except for the scheduled services you have planned from PIK to the US, as there is none).

Something I have been wondering for some time, but have forgotten to mention. If the acquisition and operation of 40+ TriStars on an ACMI basis is viable, I have wondered why such established operators such as Air Atlanta Icelandic haven't made a move on DL's fleet (they do specialise in the TriStar don't they?). Or why doesn't Air Gulf Falcon which has Royal money behind it, make the same moves?

If you were to state that you would be flying 2 or 3 TriStars on scheduled operations from PIK, I may just believe it. But when one says what you have stated in your posts on this forum, maybe it is just me, but one does become very, very sceptical on what is really going on.

As for me hounding you, or whatever you want to call it, I have a couple of things to say on this. Other airline CEO's have not come onto a public forum, like you have, and have made at times what I think are outlandish claims and ideas. Trust me, if John Orpin was on here, and I had done some background research on his operations, if I felt it was not all true, or felt it was over-the-top, I would have no hesitation in criticizing him either. You may think I do not support you. Not true. I always like to see a new successful airline in the skies. But if I feel that something is not right, or some aspects are skewed, I will comment (or criticise as you call it).

But Neil, honestly, why is it that if I criticise your planned operation I am doing something wrong? I am merely presenting my opinion, which I am entitled to do (unless of course, the moderators of this site think I have gone too far, in which case they will hit the delete button...and it has happened many times). After all, this is a forum, which is supposed to be for discussion. Or, we could just have a thread full of nothing but "Yay!" or "Woohoo". Maybe it is my fault because I am naturally inquisitive, and like to delve deeper into things which are presented to me. I do not, and never have, taken people at face value. I will form my opinions on what I have read, been told and have seen. You may say that what I have read, been told or have seen is false and misinformed, but I will say this; I have been in contact with numerous people on the continent, and I am not going to say what they think, but one must question what the hell you have done to step on so many people's toes over the years.

From the article you emailed me before, I hope you do realise that I have one MAJOR question on that, and you may know what I am talking about, however, in fairness to you, I will ask you these questions privately via email, which you may or may not wish to answer.

Cheers
 
agrodemm
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Fri Oct 27, 2000 5:08 am

Scott,
Don’t get me wrong.
I am not backing up anybody, neither I disagree with your comments.
I was just impressed by the info I found in the website of “Celtic Airways”.
It was one of the few times that through this forum I found some really important info (and I am referring to the economics of the L-1011)
Most probably I will not be able to meet in person anybody from here, neither I am looking for investment opportunities so as to do research on credibility.
However, instead of elaborating on interesting issues like:
What are the projections/forecasts of your “airline’s” sales?
Will you hedge against jet-fuel prices? (That’s a hot topic)
Will you be able to maintain the L-1011’s.
Is there a market for leasing 1011’s?

We tend to discuss only about “Who you are” , “You are not what you are claiming”
“You will fail” etc

Yeah, it’s all fake (As I told you I don’t care, neither I have the time to check on it)
So let’s get back to our usual discussion topics
“What do you think about SIA?”
“I hate the DC-10’s”

Regards,
agrodemm  
 
caravelle
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Fri Oct 27, 2000 7:20 am

Neil, so when will the deal go through? And when can we expect to see CalWings in the air?
Any updates?

-caravelle
Trains and boats and planes....
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Fri Oct 27, 2000 9:47 am

Interesting.
"Africargo was simply the trading name for cargo operations that were conducted out of Burundi..." The Africargo website didn´t say that at all. It claimed that Africargo was an already existing operation with CL44, C130, B707, B747, L1011 freighters that was entering into a joint venture with CCA. Please tell us about these.
How did you get to be CEO of CCA?

You´ve made great stock of being employed by Laker. How old were you, and what position did you hold there?
You claim to have been the CEO of Transoceanic in Nigeria. When was this, and how did you get the job?
You claim to have accumulated 4,000 hours as a B707 pilot. When? What licence did you hold before you illegally obtained your Nigerian ALTP?

Just to get the ball rolling.
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Fri Oct 27, 2000 12:45 pm

what is caledonian wings?
 
BritishMidland
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Fri Oct 27, 2000 1:14 pm

I have an email address now for you guys to send me hate mail and CLARIFICATIONS... with all due respect Neil please forward me the emails that you have been so kind as to pass on to fellow members. Thanks.


BD
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Fri Oct 27, 2000 1:43 pm

Ceilidh,

Wow! I still think your idea is fantastic and I hope everything goes well for you. Don't listen to the guys here, most of them never thought the A3XX would be a reality. Be proud of your dream and the reality it is soon to become. You are the sort of person I would love to work for. Vision!

Could you forward me more information about what you are doing with Caledonian? When are you hiring? I would be interested in employment, unless of course you have all you need at the moment. I have read so much but only what has been posted - can you supply me with more info? My e-mail address is in my profile.

I love Tristars, and keep me informed of your progress.

mb
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Fri Oct 27, 2000 3:48 pm

Scott (Brissie) - As I told you when you forwarded me a couple of those sites, when you're as wealthy - and as powerful - as the Goetz's are, especially in a civil war ravaged country like that, you make enemies. As I told you, one of the sites is operated by the guerillas, who have tried to kill him and his family on several ocasions - which is why we both used to drive around in armoured vehicles there. All that you're doing is passing along their fabrications - and doing so gives them credibility. The reality of the situation is that Affimet (the gold trading company) is situated in the Zone Franche (the Duty Free Zone). There are no duties imposed as a result. Twice a week, we had customs officers come in to the office who would inspect, weigh and seal the consignments, which would then be exported to Belgium where the main refinery is. Why on earth would we want to smuggle gold when there's no duty or other taxes to avoid? Think about it - it's completely nonsensical.

I left Burundi a couple of days before Documentation (the Burundi Secret Police) went after Alain - in fact, the first I heard that he was having problems was whn I spnt 4 hours at Prague Airport waiting for him to arrive as we were goint to Kunowice to finalise the deal to purchase two Ayres 7000s (Let 610Gs).

The current government, led by Maj Pierre Buyoya, has been in power since 1994. There's infighting within the government, primarily led by the Second Vice President, who sees Buyoya as being too supportive of the Hutus. The 2nd VP is a hardline Tutsi, and has been one of those who have been sabotaging the Arusha peace process. Alain Goetz is a friend of the President - so due entirely to the 2nd VPs efforts to oust Buyoya, the Affimet/ABC/CCA group got caught in the crossfire. Buyoya is still in power; there has been no change of government; and the Goetz's are now back in Burundi.

All in all, just the usual hazards of doing business in Africa!

You're wrong about IATA membership as well, and you're showing your ignorance of their practices. You must be proposed and seconded by existing members; your details then go forward to the council and if you're financially secure enough and have all the appropriate documentation, you're admitted as a member. If you don't, your application is rejected. If what you claimed was correct, then every Tom, Dick and Harry would join - which certainly isn't the case. They are very choosy about who they let in!

Air Atlanta have now moved on from the L1011 - they're specialising in the B747 now, but are replacing their L10s with some ex BY B767s. The way that carriers like Air Atlanta and Air Gulf Falcon operate is that they acquire aircraft with as much time as possible remaining until D check; fly them until they reach that point; then part them out. They wouldn't be interested in a deal like this because the aircraft are already run out.

I apologise if I appear hypersensitive - however with F_boot and his multiple personalities carrying out their cyberstalking, I'm sure you can appreciate why!
Feel free to send me any emails - as you know, I always respond. Cheers!

Caravelle - things are rolling along nicely; as always, it's the money-men that call the shots, but it's looking good for us to be in the air ex PIK in April. In the interim, my partner in Miami is making arrangement to go to ATL with his attorneys to do the deal with Delta as soon as he and the relevant people at DL can synchronise agendas.

F_boot - disclose your true ID and I'll be happy to tell you.

Mx5_boy - details are on the website: www.celticairways.com
 
agrodemm
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Fri Oct 27, 2000 4:02 pm

Ceilidh: What are your plans against the strong $$$ as well as the rising price of the oil?

Are you planning on waiting a bit more untill things get more stable (and viable) financialy for your ventures. In my opinion, we are heading for an ew recession, so inflatioj will increase, as well as interset rates, so do you thing that you will be able to sustain the financial risks, and start ops fom next year?

Rgrds

agrodemm  
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Fri Oct 27, 2000 4:48 pm

agrodemm - excellent question. Our projections are all based on an average of US$1/USG and for the Scottish operation, US$1.45 to the GBP.
 
BritishMidland
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Fri Oct 27, 2000 11:05 pm

But fuel prices have already risen to near that point... and as the supply is continually held by the sheiks, I see oil prices rising further before next year. Sure US$1 would have been conservative a year ago, but oil prices have risen pretty fast and furious. Look at some of the main airlines, even with hedging are seeing their profits, dwindle down to nothing. You might want to relook your financial projections, and as a new operator you might not get the volume discounts you see BA, Delta etc getting. If I am correct you will have 3-4 aircraft flying under your nose, whilst another 30-40 somewhere else. 3-4 aircraft would not lower your volumetric pricing too much. I also thought GB was having an oil crisis where the price of oil was a couple of pounds per litre?

BD

excuse the hostility, you come off as having this thing all set, while you have no Flying rights, no planes, no money....
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Sat Oct 28, 2000 2:58 am

Interesting again.
On previous postings you claimed that I was fired by you, posted by you using your alter-ego of SAS23 (as confirmed by the real SAS23 whose handle you hijacked). Now you state that I only appear to be an employee fired, and not even by you. Funny, if someone was fired for the gross unprofessionalism you mention and by you, surely you would remember enough to get the story right.

But back to this thread's topic.
Sidestepped answering any questions about what you did in your past. You're willing to tell everyone about your qualifications, but unwilling to provide any validation. Why?
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Sat Oct 28, 2000 3:14 am

Britishmidland - Fuel prices will be back to more manageable levels in Q1 next year, unless all hell breaks loose in the Middle East. In any event, higher fuel prices affect everyone so if they continue to rise then so will everyone elses fares - there will be no competitive disadvantage. All that will happen in our case is a certain equillibrium where we can offset the higher fuel prices against the considerably lower overhead cost due to the low capital cost of the aircraft.

Bear in mind that we will only have to worry about fuel on our own operations; where we lease out aircraft, that's the client's responsibility.

In any event, the L1011 burns 15 - 20% less fuel than the DC10.

It's petrol that's US$5 or so per gallon - of which 89% is taxes of one sort or another. Fuel when you're operating internationally is generally duty and tax free - and as you should know, jets use Jet A1; not Avgas!    

As for where we stand - we're in the process of dotting 'i's and crossing 't's on the AOC company; after which we can apply for the DOT402. The aircraft will be ours shortly. The financing for the Scottish operation is completely seperate from the ACMI operation.

Since you seem to know so much about the intricacies of running an airline, perhaps you'd care to share with us all exactly where you got that knowledge from?
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Sat Oct 28, 2000 4:12 am

Neil- (Ceilidh) I just wanted to wish you well. I've been to your website, and everything is looking set to go for you! I'll be following the news in the next few months to see you when you TAKE OFF!!!!    
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Sat Oct 28, 2000 6:27 am

Ceilidh--
Perhaps you should start a different topic for that. The main thing is that you are dodging more information as it becomes available. I am just wondering why you are not trying to do good for yourself and let us all know what the real deal is. Go ahead and email me if you feel that this should be done in private or whatever.
Knowledge is power. If you had read my post, it would seem that I knew how much fuel you would be consuming and what area of the business you would have to deal with fuel. As most people should know, ACMI lease, is a lease where the lessor provides the Aircraft, Crew, Maint., and Insurance. Correct me if I am wrong, Neil, the Insurance will probably be the most cost consuming of your operation after finance charges? Which brings me to my next question, are you financing these aircraft from Delta, or are you financing them. At present, what would you estimate the acquiring cost to be for an L-1011? Would you be acquiring 3-4 and then the 30-40 later on? Or would you be more inclined to get them all and "store" them as you say, because there is low "overhead", but wouldn't your opportunity cost of storing the planes make it more costly for you to cover your financing charges etc, as there is no revenue while they are just sitting around. It would make more sense on your part to gather them slowly and admit them into service, so the revenue per airplane remains, to prevent you from using the revenue from 3 planes to cover the financing charges for the ones sitting. Well from my point of view anyways, and most likely from a business point of view. Kind of like, why have 300 stores around the world, when only 8 of them are actually selling things? Makes no sense. Or is 30-40 the "dream" number, the goal for the 5-year plan? As far as Africargo goes, I know it was recently assimilated into cca-airlines, as the africargo website no longer exists. For the folks, who have been looking for Africargo, they were merged into CCA and the website is here Ceilidh, LMK (let me know) more about your operation.

PS feel free to send email (in profile)

Regards,
BD
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Sat Oct 28, 2000 2:39 pm

Aloha!
Well I know nothing of Africargo or Connexion or any other previous airline associated with Ceilidh, so I'm not even gonna comment on that. It seems we have a flame-war going right now and I want you all to know ahead of time that what I am going to say comes from my own research, somewhat limited, yes, but valid research on the airline industry.

CEILIDH, PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS!!!!

Ceilidh, I'm not sure if you recall but a long while back I was "in" to planning airlines. I've had various projects, ranging from Western USA based domestic carriers to Central-Pacific longhaul carriers serving key Pacific routes, the type of which I am working on right now.
Granted, these have been what might be called "virtual" projects, or apaper airlines. Though all along I have had every intention of making these "unrealistic ideas" become a reality. I am still planning to form an airline of my own today.
I've learned alot. And even though my airline projects do not count as real, they still require some research on my part to get a concrete plan going, so as to set the proposed airline on the road to eventual startup.
There still remains much to be learned. Right now I hae only a very basic knowledge of how to "run" and airline, but a basic knowledge is all one needs to get his mind moving in that direction to attain further enlightnement as to the ways of running a business, and eventually create a success.
Weel now all but one of these projects are "dead." The reaosn being is that I started out on my plans with a trial and error appraoch. Basically, create the idea, nurture it, present it to a global forum, and see if it'd get shot down or supported. You may find many of these such posts on here, as every time I have come out with all my plans and presented them to this group, for constructive criticism. And if the idea did not float, I killed it and created a new, hence the many different incarnations of the original airline.

Where am I going with this monotonous speech?
Basically I feel I have a bit in common with you and your plans, and I wish to help, if I can, but I also wish to gai additional knowledge about different approaches to starting an airline.
Please excuse me if I'm wrong, but from what it looks like from the posts of others, you have had a trial and error approach as well. It seems that Africargo and/or your other airline projects did not float to well, and you moved on, with new lessons learned, to higher projects.
Much the same as I have, only on a grander scale.
What I would like to know is if just maybe you could offer some tips on getting an airline in the air. Although business systems are different in Africa and Europe from those in Hawaii, where I plan to start my proposed airline project, I am sure that any advise you could give would be more than useful.

I have a few questions and possible tips for ou, as well. That is, if you have time to read them.

First off, I need to ask you, are you purchasing 30 to 40 planes outright and immediately putting all of them into service, or are you only putting three or four in service?

If you put the big numbers into service, are you leasing them or chartering them to other firms or tour groups?

I agree that the L 1011 Tristar is definitely more economical in terms of fuel burn and maintenance than a DC-10, but I need to ask you something. Even though they may be more economical, plus they will be wholly-owned by your corporation, I assume, they are not as economical as modern aircraft, in terms of maintenance. I am sure you know that as an aircraft ages, it requires more and more upkeep, and that costs the company money. And an unexpected pre-flight failure in one of the systems is not what a new airline needs. For it not only puts a bad impression on the passengers, and the aircraft you fly, but it also costs you precious money. Remember, an aircraft only makes money while it is in the air, and a dely on the ground screws up the system and generally deducts from your annual revenue, am I not correct?
Yet with newer jets the likelyhood that this probelm will occure is diminshed greatly. Also, upkeep is simple and easy, and not strenuous on the budget. Furthermore, the fuel economics of newer aircraft is better by far, and costs per passenger per seat mile are reduced greatly. This gives you the advantage of being able to offer lower fares, as the aircraft is cheaper to operate, and the result is more passengers flocking to yout airline.
The only financial hinderance that I see is that newer aircraft are more expensive to obtain, even though they may pay for themselves at a fast rate.
Or, lease-to-owning an aircraft, or paying installments until the aircraft's full price, plus interest, has been paid, is a big financial burden.

But looking at these facors, would it not seem that in the long run, newer, more economical aircraft would enure that the business remains financially stable?
Correct me if I am wrong, remember, I know nothing as yet of "Hidden costs".

OK, that brings me to my next point. You are going to be competing in a cometitive market, correct? What are your first proposed routes? If you do not want to disclose them here you can e-mail me, the address is in my profile.
Anyway, you look like you're going to be in a competitive market. When you as a startup airline anter this market, you have to offer something that the passengers want, to entice them to fly you. Of course you know this. What is your marketing strategy?
Are you going to offer lower fares? This is good, but even though people may fly you to save a buck, they won't keep coming back unless you offer them something more. What is your service going to be like?
Are you going to offer a fun environment? Lure passengers with good food and wine? Offer comfortable seating? What?
Whatever it is, it has to be good. If you are competing witht he major Euro airlines, you're in for a real battle and you need to offer something that's a real showstopper, so people won't fly BA or AF for the lower price, because they WILL undercut you in fare prices to kill you off.  

My suggestions are these:
I think going all out on the major routes is a mistake, but this is only my opinion. I feel that you should use the Pan Am III approach, keep to flying the less traveled, yet profitable routes, so as to stay away from predatory price-cutting while you are still financially vulnerable. Then, when you have the assets to stand you ground in a dog-eat-dog global environment, head into the lion's den and kick some rear. I already feel that the new Pan Am has it in the bag, you could too if you play your cards right.

Offer a good image. Invite people to Caledonian with a promise of good food, service, atmosphere, and prices. Make sure you set new higher standards, it will be the key to your success.

Advertise, but try to keep it lwo key as well. You have been doing very well with the low key so far and that will pay off, the majors probably don't know you're coming. This gives you the element of surprise and the upper hand in the battle, for the moment.

If you do fly the major routes, DO NOT lower your fares when the majors undercut yours. If you do, you could well go bankrupt, and fast. Stay where you are. You'll have less traffic for a time, but the majors won't keep it low forever. Once they discover how SMART you are to have not fallen for their trap, and realise you're not leaving the scene, they'll raise their fares again. Though it may be a long time before they do so. Be willing to take the risk.

Well that's all I have for now, I've spilled out almost everything I know. Oh...wait....I forgot something. When trying to obtain slots for your destiantions, try and go for second- or third-tier airports. This will keep you a safe distance from the majors, yes, but will also give you the advantage of cheap airport fees and many available slots. It's good economics.

OK, NOW that's it. As I said, my knowledge of business is somewhat limited, but I have much to learn in the coming years. Hopefully you can provide some commentary on my adise and questions.

Thanks!!

SOUTHPACIFIC
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Sat Oct 28, 2000 2:44 pm

Britishmidland - Start a new topic for what, exactly? I was being ironic!

1) I'm not 'dodging' any "information" - indeed, I actually don't have to answer any of your questions at all, but am simply doing so because I think that some of those here would be interested in what goes on when putting together an airline.

2) There are fairly large chunks of the business plan that are commercially sensitive and which I have no intention of discussing here or anywhere. Nor should I be expected to.

3) Exactly how musch fuel should we be consuming for CalWings, then?

4) Nope, you should have known what the highest expense is - and you haven't mentioned it! (c: (The cost of insurance, btw, is negligible).

5) We would be acquiring the entire package at one time - consisting of aircraft, very substantial package of spares, tooling, landing gear, APU and RB211 overhaul facility, and three sims. Care to hazard a guess for how much we'll be paying?

6) Think of the aircraft in storage as stock - a supply both of spares and capacity. If a customer comes in and says "I want an aircraft" we know we have it and we can give it to him in X days - fresh from heavy check, with the interior configuration and external paint job he wants. Very few, if any, other lessors can do that - those with new aircraft simply can't afford to have them sitting around as their overhead finance charges are just too steep to allow it.

F_boot - you're continung to get things way wrong, matey!   I am not SAS23 - and nor is there an SAS23 on PPRuNe. My partner was responsible for the running of the CL44 operation and he certainly doesn't need to keep me involved in the day to day details - if he says that he fired you, then he fired you!  I'll say it again - disclose your true ID; and I'll be happy to answer any questions you might have. I most certainly do not need to justify myself to you.
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Sat Oct 28, 2000 4:41 pm

SOUTHPACIFIC - actually, although in many cases the operating methodology changed substantially from the original plan, most of the airline projects I've worked on have come to fruition - the only one that didn't was Lionair.

Have a detailed examination of our website at www.celticairways.com and you'll see that the primary focus of the business is as an ACMI operator. The Scottich charter operation is actually going to be operated on behalf of a third party - they pay the bills; we fly the aircraft.

You'll also see from the website that the charter route structure is indeed focussing on secondary (cheap) destinations - and we would be feeding through lowcost operators like Pan Am, WestJet and Ryanair. Fares and information on service levels are also on there.

Finally, I disagree with you about the relevant economics of old versus new. We will be getting run-out aircraft, which means that we'll effectively rebuild them when we put them through a D check prior to reintroduction to service on behalf of a client. This will generally include the complete refurbishment of the interiors and upgrades of the structure and other systems so that the aircraft can operate anywhere. Even allowing for the cost of a full overhaul on all three engines, this comes to US$8m or so per aircraft - less than half the cost of a DC10-30 and around one twentieth of the cost of a new A330 or 777! L1011 spares are easy to find and extremely cheap - plus we'd be parting-out a number of aircraft to support the others. The cost of spares - especially avionics - on new aircraft is prohibitive. Finally, as an ACMI operator, we have to assume that our aircraft will have extensive downtimes. We can afford to do that with a low cost aircraft - but we couldn't do it with a new one, where we'd have to pay many hundreds of thousands of dollars a month on finance charges alone. That cost difference, incidentally, pays for a great deal of fuel! There's a detailed economic comparison between the L1011 and various new widebodies on the website as well.

Hope that helps!
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Sat Oct 28, 2000 6:29 pm

F-boot, I'm not Neil and hes not me. I know you though!
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Sat Oct 28, 2000 11:44 pm

Neil-- please share with our captive audience your package price on the planes etc. Let me guess though first, in excess of $100mln. Are you buying that outright or financing that? That is not commercially sensitive it is a simple question. Commercially sensitive? Your business plan is out in the open, it is not commercially sensitive, there is nothing special about an Atlas Air/JMC pax/charter hybrid ACMI operation. Is your commercially sensitive information something that is directly involved with operations because there doesn't seem to be anything different that would make me or a potential investor think that this "plan" of yours is anything to shake a stick at. You will be serving locations that could not in 4 weeks time fill a L-1011 with charter/economy plus style seating and to the hot destination of Scotland. Don't get me wrong, the US is not the charter market Europe is, IMHO. But Canada is and I think you will see more relative success, that term is used extremely loosely, than in the US.

BD
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Sat Oct 28, 2000 11:54 pm

Neil--
I have seen the articles you have sent me, and sure they look good, but there is no certainty from these articles. There are references to you, "planning", has "his eyes set on", "in negotiations".

By the way.. how are those negotiations coming? I haven't heard anything about it because it is 3 months later and still where are the planes? Sounds good on paper though. Hey maybe I will "start" up an airline too, I will just call the news paper and tell them I am going to buy 20 of BAs 747-400s to start a conversion system to carry sheep so herders in New Zealand can transport their meat to the destination for slaughter instead of letting meat get old. Yeah that sounds good! I would have a great airline and get in the paper too!

BD
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Sat Oct 28, 2000 11:54 pm

Britishmidland - nope, waaaaaaaay off on the price!  Pricing info - along with pax numbers etc are the sort of commercially sensitive information I'm talking about!

As for your perception of charter destinations - all I can say is that you've obviously never been anywhere near Orlando, Sanford, Miami, Los Angeles, New York, etc etc airports in your life!

However, you obviously know something the rest of us - plus the CAA, DOT and Transport Canada - don't know in terms of market knowledge. Perhaps you'd like to share that (along with your doubtless extensive airline management experience) with us?  
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Sun Oct 29, 2000 12:04 am

Britishmidland - as we do not yet have the aircraft in operation, that is the only way that we can describe what is, at the present, a projected operation - yet one which is coming along very well thank you. Obviously your grasp of the English language is on a par with your grasp of airline economics.

You started this thread by saying: I read my SpeedNews everyweek I hear, see nothing about Caledonian Wings getting some DL L1011s, or that Caledonian Wings is negotiating with Delta or anyother airline for that matter. You have now been presented with these items. The gracious thing for you to do would be to apologise, rather than digging yourself a deeper hole.

Since you appear to believe that it's possible to get an airline up and running in a matter of weeks, perhaps you'd like to share with us all exactly what airline you did that with?      
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Sun Oct 29, 2000 5:57 am

Neil, forget him, he's a complete hack. He has no competent knowledge of aviation management, no idea that SanfordFL has become of Florida's busiest airports on charter traffic alone, and no clue how to write, act, ot talk respectfully.

BD, I don't like you. Your arrogant, rude, and way off base. Relax pal, listen to what people on here write, say, and maybe you'll learn something more than whats in an enthusiats magazine.

Back off. Your really getting annoying.

 
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TWA

Sun Oct 29, 2000 7:05 am

Hypocrite--
Listen here... it would have been OK and well respectful had you left it as "Neil, forget him, he's a complete hack." But you had to continue further which really makes you no better than I am. Russell, it would seem that you are afraid of something as you have not disclosed your email so fellow airliners folks can write to you on a more personal level. Unfortunately, any given person can walk into a forum, begin to talk up a project, and suddenly this person has followers. I am beginning to wonder if in that small distant town in Upstate NY you have heard of, "Don't believe everything you read." I, for one, do not. I don't expect you to either, but please let's be realistic here. Do you know Neil? Has Neil proven anything to you? Has Neil proven anything to me? Well no, not really. He has proven that he can talk to people and get his name in the newspaper. But I will believe it when I see the pictures or the aircraft flying in and out of PIK.

As for me being annoying? Sure ... I am condescending, sure I am arrogant, sure ... but you know what? I don't give a flying f*ck what you think about me. I don't know you, nor do I want to know you. You sound like a sheltered little college town boy trying to find himself in that rustic burnt out village where consumption of alcohol takes presidence over study. You seem to be avoiding the party scene and finding ample time hiding in the internet.

Contact me further through my email (in profile)

CeilidhThe proof is in the pudding. Give me a taste. Quit feeding me bullshit, commercial advantage whatnot. BTW, never did I once claim to have airline exec. management skill or build an airline out of rubble in a day with my barehands.
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Sun Oct 29, 2000 10:31 am

Damn, I really don't want to talk to you anymore, but I can't lie down in the face of such fraudulent, ridiculous criticism.

That rustic burnt out city is actually a vibrant, creative, and intelligent town home to one of the world's most prestigious university's. I'm referring to Cornell, where I go to school. Cornell is a first rate Ivy League school, repected globally. Alcohol taking presidence over study? I have no idea what you mean. Sure, Cornell kids drink (this isn't Bob Jones Univ), but taking presidence over study, your grossly misinformed. I'm not going to go on about the virtues of my school, one can read about it, in any college or university ratings or summary guide.

As for my eMail open to all for "more personal communication" I don't want to talk to you hear, and I sure as hell don't want to talk to you on there. You said it yourself, "annoying, condesending and arrogant" Who needs it?

Am a little critical of CalWings? Perhaps, but that doesn't allow me to go and be a jackass, insult the founder, and discount everything he has to say. This airline is supposed to fly this spring I believe, I'll reserve my judgement until than.

Avoiding in the party scene? At this little burnt out shell of a university, we get just a little work and while last night I was out late at ZBT frat, this afternoon as I worked on my Chem lab, I read threw a few threads and found your annoying worthles crap.

I see you perused my profile, perhaps you also saw some people on here have some respect for what I say and how I conduct myself. Needless to say none were on yours.

"I don't give a flying f*ck what you think about me"
You obviously do for two reasons:
1) you took the time to write back a rather long rebuttal
2) of course you care, its human nature, thats not your fault.

Relax dude, learn some decorum, and read up about Cornell, its a great place you closeminded loser.
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Sun Oct 29, 2000 2:28 pm

Britishmidland - you really ought to improve your English skills! Perhaps then you might be able to comprehend what I'm really saying to you.

Of course the proof is in the pudding - isn't that what I've said countless times on various threads before?     I reiterate: all that I can give anyone in the way of assurances about CalWings at the moment is the fact that my management team and I are doing our utmost to make sure this works. There are, however, no guarantees!

Russ - ignore him. Unlike Scott, who asks intelligent, searching questions after having properly researched his subject matter, Britishmidland is obviously some kid who simply enjoys being confrontational from behind a cloak of anonymity. Kind of like F_boot!  
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Sun Oct 29, 2000 11:45 pm

TWA + Ceilidh --
You guys should stop worrying; look what you have compared to him. Ceilidh you are starting up the airline, Kudos! and TWA going to Cornell! Good Luck!

When is the spring launch, Ceilidh?

Best Wishes
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Mon Oct 30, 2000 12:16 am

Targeted at 2nd April 2001 - fingers crossed!   
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Mon Oct 30, 2000 5:27 am

Go for it!!

     
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Mon Oct 30, 2000 12:21 pm

Thanks Trevor. Student?
 
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RE: Will The Real Caledonian Wings CEO Please Stand Up

Mon Oct 30, 2000 2:03 pm

Yes. I attend University at Albany. You go to Cornell I see. Good Luck!
 
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Staffing

Mon Oct 30, 2000 8:23 pm

Hi Neil

How is the staff recruitment going?

As the launch date is getting nearer the staff should be arriving.

Regards
Gary Watt
Aberdeen, Scotland

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