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US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:39 am

With the new combined airline taking delivery of hundreds of new aircrafts what will stay and what will go on the US side? We know at AA the 762, most 757s and S80s will be gone. But US has a lot of 757s, 762s and 734s, all are older and not necessarily efficient to stay long term. Will additional orders be placed? How about some 739s for 757 replacements? Any chances of bringing some 707s out of the desert (ok just kidding on that, but it would be cool)
 
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:45 am

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
But US has a lot of 757s, 762s and 734s, all are older and not necessarily efficient to stay long term.

The 767s and 737s are supposed to be retired relatively soon. The 757s I believe are supposed to be around for a little while longer for certain markets.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
How about some 739s for 757 replacements?

IMHO I bet they'll go for more a321s down the road, but in US Airways' two-class configuration.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
Any chances of bringing some 707s out of the desert (ok just kidding on that, but it would be cool)

Actually, I heard that they were looking into doing this!      
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:08 am

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
US has a lot of 757s, 762s and 734s, all are older and not necessarily efficient to stay long term

The 737s and 767s are already scheduled to be retired as the A321s and A330s on order enter the fleet.

Some 757s (both sAA and sUS) will probably stay around for some time into the future for Hawaii, near LatAm, and near Europe. Doug Parker has publicly expressed doubts about the A321NEOs ability to fly to the Islands (regardless of what Airbus marketing bs says) so I could see some 757s staying at least until the end of this decade when there will be some performance data for the NEO in actual airline operations.
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:09 am

E190s will stick around, and I'll bet more orders as well.
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:28 pm

737s will be gone by next year.
The domestic 757s will be retired by 2017 as will the 767s.
The international 757s are scheduled to be retired by the end of the decade.

The A350s start arriving in 2017 and the A330s left to be delivered will have arrived by the middle of next year.

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 3):
and I'll bet more orders as well

US cancelled 23 E190s because of its A321 order. Also (someone correct me if I'm wrong), wasn't there something about US wanting to move the E190s to Express?

Besides, under AA, the current E190s will mostly be left on the route they are, perhaps supplemented or substituted by a few A319s.

Any possibility of selling the E190s and bringing A318s? Some fleet commonality with the A32Xs won't hurt much.   
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:56 pm

AA liveried A330's are going to be sooo weird!!!
 
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:59 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
Any possibility of selling the E190s and bringing A318s?

The A-318 is not an efficient airliner. That is why a lot of them have not been sold to the airlines, just like the B-737-600NG.
 
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:01 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
Any possibility of selling the E190s and bringing A318s? Some fleet commonality with the A32Xs won't hurt much.

Why on Earth would you trade an economically viable aircraft for one that can't make money in nearly any situation?
The 318 and 736 airframes make virtually no economic sense; just ask Frontier, whose examples have already been SCRAPPED. After less than ten years.
 
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:10 pm

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):
Actually, I heard that they were looking into doing this

Did you hear this from anyone in a position at AA or US that would know this type info?
 
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:38 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
Any chances of bringing some 707s out of the desert
Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):
Actually, I heard that they were looking into doing this!
Quoting bobnwa (Reply 8):
Did you hear this from anyone in a position at AA or US that would know this type info?

The 707s were beaten to death.

Not going to happen.
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:57 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 8):

It was meant jokingly.   I know the 707s are done
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:14 pm

Ant airplane built before 1995 probably has a planned retirement date. My big question is what will happen with the 763s?
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:28 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
US cancelled 23 E190s because of its A321 order

US canx E190s because it was the only fleet type that they could at the time. US agreement with pilots had a hard fleet size number. The E190 we're not included in that number. I think US likes the E190. Didn't they take back the ones sub leased to Republic? I see a place for the E190 in the joined fleet.
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:31 pm

One thing to consider is that neither US or AA have great Business products on their respective Int'l config 752s. If these are going to stick around to fly thinner TA or LatAm routes, it would be wise for US/AA to consider retrofitting them with some type of lie flat product.
 
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:32 pm

The per-merger plan for the 763 was to replace 1/2 with 789s and refurbish the rest with a new J product and keep using them. Post merger, I'll bet fewer get retired for a while.
 
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:50 pm

To me the most interesting play, on the Express side, would be the Dash 8s. They fly in markets that won't work with an RJ. Perhaps the return of AA flying ATRs eventually...granted that would only make sense.  
 
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:54 pm

Quoting katanapilot (Reply 5):
AA liveried A330's are going to be sooo weird!!!

Agreed!!
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:04 am

Quoting kann123air (Reply 16):
Agreed!!

Why?

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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:32 am

It will be interesting to see if they consolidate the hard product on the 75Ls. On the one hand that's money spent on a plane that's leaving in a few years, and on the other hand that's a significant product inconsistency, especially when the 763s and 77Es are refitted with horizontal flat beds.
 
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:50 am

Some people on this thread really need to get a sense of humour -

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
Any possibility of selling the E190s and bringing A318s? Some fleet commonality with the A32Xs won't hurt much.   
Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
Any chances of bringing some 707s out of the desert (ok just kidding on that, but it would be cool)

These comments were obviously made in jest.

On topic, I'd expect to see a confirmed strategy soon of what will work best between a combines AA and US fleet. I'd see the A32XNEO family being consolidated as the fundamental narrow body fleet to replace all MD80, 737 and older A32X fleets and some 757, 762. The exceptions to this will be the MAX-8 and EMB190's which individually will have large enough fleets to serve purpose.

At the top end, it'll be interesting to see how they rationalise the introduction of the A350 and 787. I could see the A350's all becoming 900's (and ditching the 800 in favour the the 788), and eventually 1000's as well to replace the 77W. And the 787 fleet upgraded to include the J series as well, but how do they navigate their way there with 752's, 762's, 763's, A332's, A333's, 77E's and 77W's?
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RE: US Airways Fleet, What Will Stay?

Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:25 am

Even though the MD-80's and 757's are going, lets hope they paint at least one in the new livery!!
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