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UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:32 pm

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne.../denver-tokyo-flight-ready-takeoff

DEN-NRT starts today! Great news. I lived in DEN for 30 years. The city and state of Colorado have waited decades for this moment: a nonstop to Asia.
 
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:37 pm

Just saw it on Flight Radar climbing out of FL310. Great for DEN.
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:20 pm

This has been many years in the making. Congrats Denver!


 
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:29 pm

So that explains why UA staff were setting up tables etc at the gate while I was boarding a 6am flight to IAH. What was the rego of the aircraft as I was supposed to depart DEN yesterday on a 787 but the flight was cancelled? It was the same gate
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:35 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
What was the rego of the aircraft as I was supposed to depart DEN yesterday on a 787 but the flight was cancelled? It was the same gate

It's N20904, the same one that canceled yesterday.
 
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:50 pm

Congrats to DEN for finally making this longstanding dream come to fruition. Hopefully this service makes it, unlike DL's ill-fated SLC-NRT. Seeing as how Denver is a larger market and much stronger hub than SLC, not to mention UA's superior connectivity at NRT (mostly via partner NH) and use of the smaller 787, I have high hopes for this one. If the 787 can establish viable new links from NRT to BOS, SAN, and SJC, I do not see why DEN should be any different. I can't help but wonder if routes like NRT-LAS, NRT-OGG (if the 787 can get off the 6,995 ft runway and do OGG-NRT nonstop with a viable payload), NRT-PHL, NRT-PHX, perhaps even NRT-MIA or NRT-MCO (if the plane has sufficient range for nonstop Florida-Japan flights) are under serious consideration thanks to the 787.
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:51 pm

IAH based crews? .......………
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:10 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 6):
IAH based crews? .......………


Yes as that is the crew base for all of the sCO B788's.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
the aircraft as I was supposed to depart DEN yesterday on a 787 but the flight was cancelled?


At least it got out of IAH and into DEN without issues and out of DEN. A friend was to fly the DEN-IAH flight last evening getting into IAH after midnight but that one cancelled, maybe your same flight. He also tried to take it from IAH-ORD on Friday only to have it delayed some four hours so he'd would have missed his connection.

Was a few tough days for the B788's recently so hopefully that is behind them now.
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:38 pm

How are the loads for this flight? How are the next few days doing?
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:04 pm

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 4):

Yes that was the aircraft! Couldn't see the fleet number on the gear doors in the photo I took as some ground equipment was blocking it, but I remember it had a 4 in the rego

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 7):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):the aircraft as I was supposed to depart DEN yesterday on a 787 but the flight was cancelled?

At least it got out of IAH and into DEN without issues and out of DEN. A friend was to fly the DEN-IAH flight last evening getting into IAH after midnight but that one cancelled, maybe your same flight. He also tried to take it from IAH-ORD on Friday only to have it delayed some four hours so he'd would have missed his connection.

I was supposed to fly UA95 (2.30pm departure). While talking to some UA employees who were non-rev on the flight I noticed a guy sitting in the front row of seats beside the podium with a 787 t-shirt on. Guess I'll wait till JQ launches their 787-8 services and NZ launches their 787-9 services. I was also originally booked on a UA 787 on the day the fleet was grounded in January but had to change my flight the day before.
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:31 pm

FINALLY......

Congrats to DEN, NRT, UA, and well done and three cheers for all of those who have worked so hard and so long to make this flight a reality.

I thought this flight was some 10+ years in the making..... well, I'm sort of correct..... as per the Post article...... this flight has been 26 years in the making.

And it just goes to show what $22M in rental rebates, etc. for UA at DEN can do to acquire a new route........ before, I think that it was just local business people going over to NH in Japan with bags full of cash, and promises of the firstborns...........(lol)

And per another article linked to this Post article......

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...o-plans-adds-trip-seoul?source=pkg

it seems that the local delegation that on its way to Japan in this flight, will go to ICN afterwards....... where they will tour Incheon International Airport, its Airport City and the Songdo Aerotropolis. But I have to wonder..... could DEN-ICN be next maybe with OZ? After all, DEN-ICN is a slightly larger local market.......

All the best.........

 

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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:56 am

Three years too late! I lived in Hong Kong for ten years and Tokyo for five, used to fly back to Denver once a year or so to visit family. Always hoped for a Japan to Denver flight, but no reson to take it now.

Anyway,great to see the flight and congrats to Denver, Tokyo, and UA!
 
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:06 am

Quoting point2point (Reply 10):
it seems that the local delegation that on its way to Japan in this flight, will go to ICN afterwards....... where they will tour Incheon International Airport, its Airport City and the Songdo Aerotropolis. But I have to wonder..... could DEN-ICN be next maybe with OZ? After all, DEN-ICN is a slightly larger local market.......

Highly unlikely. UA hasn't shown much interest in expanding out of Korea at all. There isn't even an EWR-ICN flight. NYC-Seoul market is around 896 PDEW. Good luck getting them to start DEN-ICN which is less than 30 PDEW.

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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:31 am

This is great for Denver and United; I'm sure the route will preform quite well.
I can recall when Northwest inaugurated its first flight from Detroit to Tokyo back in 1989. At that time, I never dreamed DTW would serve as a Gateway to Asia.
IIRC United began service to Tokyo in 1983 from SEA and PDX.
 
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:26 pm

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 12):
Highly unlikely. UA hasn't shown much interest in expanding out of Korea at all. There isn't even an EWR-ICN flight. NYC-Seoul market is around 896 PDEW. Good luck getting them to start DEN-ICN which is less than 30 PDEW.

Doesn't have to be on UA. Their are Star Alliance partners, like Asiana, which can take advantage of connections over ICN from elsewhere in Asia. Just like KE flying ICN-DFW in competition with AA. There, AA gets the US to Asia connections on AA, and KE gets the Asia to US.

If the numbers work, look for Asiana.
 
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:10 pm

The loads look good for now but we will wait and see what they are like after the summer. I would like to use the flight but seems the timing doesn't fit into my schedule.
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:33 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 10):
it seems that the local delegation that on its way to Japan in this flight, will go to ICN afterwards....... where they will tour Incheon International Airport, its Airport City and the Songdo Aerotropolis.

There is a big political pissing match going on in Colorado, over the plan to create a Aerotropolis business district around the airport. The problem is that basically the annex agreement with a neighboring country that Denver got the land from basically forbids this. The other cities and counties are basically telling Denver that they will not allow the development to go forward, without the bulk of the proceeds in revenue going to those counties.
 
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:45 pm

I can't wait for UA to open a new 787 route out of IAH!
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:06 pm

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 17):
I can't wait for UA to open a new 787 route out of IAH!

You don't have to wait too much longer as LOS is coming soon!  
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:06 pm

Anyone been able to see the loads on this route? It seems a good test of the Boeing assertion about route fragmentation.
 
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:25 am

The loads on DEN-NRT look quite good. This isn't surprising, the market was ready for this route. As we know that doesn't tell the whole story. When is LAX-NRT going to the 787?
 
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:57 am

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 20):
When is LAX-NRT going to the 787?

August 1, 2013
 
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:38 am

United only launched this because a Japanese airliner would have. Yeah, and they have the equipment now. Now we need to get a Paris flight. That would be nice!   
 
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:19 am

Quoting denverdanny (Reply 22):
United only launched this because a Japanese airliner would have. Yeah, and they have the equipment now. Now we need to get a Paris flight. That would be nice!

It would be nice. However I wonder about the economics of DEN-CDG. IAH-CDG couldn't even work.
 
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:47 pm

Quoting superjeff (Reply 14):

To be fair, DFW and DEN to ICN and Asia are not really comparable. The former is much larger hence more service to Asia.

I don't see DENICN in the cards, but I have no doubt DENNRT should work.
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:40 pm

Quoting airfrnt (Reply 19):
Anyone been able to see the loads on this route? It seems a good test of the Boeing assertion about route fragmentation.
Quoting klwright69 (Reply 20):
The loads on DEN-NRT look quite good. This isn't surprising, the market was ready for this route. As we know that doesn't tell the whole story. When is LAX-NRT going to the 787?

Looking at around 90% paid LF for the flights operated so far.
 
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RE: UA DEN-NRT Nonstop Starts Today

Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:28 pm

Quoting denverdanny (Reply 22):
Now we need to get a Paris flight.
DEN-CDG, DEN-AMS and DEN-MBJ are probably the top local international routes that DEN presently does not have. Any of these could go out full and probably with decent yields on birds made for these city-pairs with at least 4X-5X weekly flights without depending on connects.

I think that the DEN staff stated that DEN-PTY on CM, and into South America is their next goal...... but the above three routes are far better in terms of raw pax numbers........

Oh well..... as I've said before here..... this DEN airport management team, as well as the local Chamber of Commerces and regional Economic Development groups are very, very patient and persistent....... and still not giving up after some 25 years for a route is definitely an indication of that.

With DEN-London (first LGW, and now LHR) since the 80s, currently BA with a daily 777 on the route, then LH with DEN-FRA since 2001 now with a daily 747, and FI now announcing up to 6X weekly since it started last year, DEN international long-haul traffic is with some promise. And the 787 is making possible these routes that seem to fit DEN's needs, as well as a lot of other route pairs around the world.

So may DEN-NRT on UA be the first of many of these 787 long-haul routes to/from DEN that is successful so that the pax to/from the Denver area will be able to avoid connects elsewhere, and a new era of air travel convenience be possible with the 787. And there are enough 787s on order so that maybe at least a few of them are able to stop at the concourses at DEN.

 





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