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BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:10 pm

Heads up for those in the UK:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2013/airport-live.html

Starts this Monday on BBC 2.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:14 pm

Hopefully it's interesting (and on iPlayer/ Youtube for a while as I am not around when it's on!), but I fear it will be dumbed down and slightly silly.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:16 pm

Here is the trailer.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01b8s5f

Looks very interesting, in the diary!

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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:26 pm

Shame that I'm not able to see this :/
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:29 pm

Looks pretty damn interesting  
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:32 pm

Nice. Looks to be a great series.   
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:38 pm

Quoting timboflier215 (Reply 1):
Hopefully it's interesting (and on iPlayer/ Youtube for a while as I am not around when it's on!), but I fear it will be dumbed down and slightly silly.

As it is BBC2 it should be a bit more sensible than you expect.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:40 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 6):
As it is BBC2 it should be a bit more sensible than you expect.

I hope so, but these sorts of live events tend to be quite dumbed down in my experience.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:41 pm

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 2):
Here is the trailer.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01b8s5f

Anyone able to load the other program clips on the right? The trailer works fine, but I'm getting "Media selection error" with the other 3.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:44 pm

Looks good.

Quoting teme82 (Reply 3):
Shame that I'm not able to see this :/

If you want to see it on the net get an IP blocker or via a website that offers UK IP adresses. I know some people get around it that way.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:02 pm

This is the best news I've heard all day. Very much looking forward to this
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:35 pm

Quoting timboflier215 (Reply 1):
but I fear it will be dumbed down and slightly silly

I think the BBC2 programme on a BA 747-400 D check was well received so no reason to think the same quality won't be maintained for this forthcoming set of programmes
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:40 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):

If you want to see it on the net get an IP blocker or via a website that offers UK IP adresses. I know some people get around it that way.

Well... I don't need those. I have friends... I'm not saying nothing more .... It is nice that there is mkv container for video files. But If BBC would have international iPlayer I would be one of the first ones to get it.
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:55 pm

Quoting teme82 (Reply 13):
But If BBC would have international iPlayer I would be one of the first ones to get it.

I am not sure they ever will as its effectivly paid for by a 'Tax' or licence fee in the UK, which in my opnion is very good value for money considering the radio and television that you get for it. However some in the UK don't agree...

Back on topic hopefully this is of the quality of the program on a BA747 maintenance check.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:24 pm

Quoting teme82 (Reply 13):
But If BBC would have international iPlayer I would be one of the first ones to get it.

Indeed. Another option is ''Filmon'' which is free and broadcasts with a few mins delay all the BBC channels and I find it great.

Quoting theginge (Reply 14):
I am not sure they ever will as its effectivly paid for by a 'Tax' or licence fee in the UK, which in my opnion is very good value for money considering the radio and television that you get for it. However some in the UK don't agree...

Id rather pay the BBC the EUR160 I currently have to pay here for crap TV I dont even watch !!

Its great the BBC continue to offer aviation programs. Airport was a great series back in the day and Im glad they have decided to do a modern one with a different slant.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:13 pm

Quoting theginge (Reply 14):
I am not sure they ever will as its effectivly paid for by a 'Tax' or licence fee in the UK, which in my opnion is very good value for money considering the radio and television that you get for it. However some in the UK don't agree...

I would pay a fee if BBC would give their programs to whole world.

OA260, I have sources that can give me HD video if needed.
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:31 am

Does anyone know if the BBC are planning any coverage of Le Bourget and if so when its being shown? - thanks
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:06 am

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 17):
Does anyone know if the BBC are planning any coverage of Le Bourget and if so when its being shown? - thanks

I think, given the fact that Le Bourget is a French trade event, most unlikely. Possibly a snippet on BBC news and even then probably only if its to do with an order for a British carrier or a huge Airbus order.

I wouldn't hold my breath  
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:31 pm

I AM SO EXCITED FOR THIS!!!!! LHR HOME!!
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:21 pm

Quite enjoying it so far!
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:24 pm

Yes its very good  
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:30 pm

Most educational and informative; quite like the series that was on a few years back - no sensationalism; telling it as it is.

Could watch this for hours (usually do when I'm there!)
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:39 pm

Loved the bit where they went around and under the SQ A380 with the line maintenance guy   
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:01 pm

Really enjoyed that. Was informative and will definitely tune in again tomorrow. Especially liked the turnround bits and information about lift etc.
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:52 pm

Nice concept. I do wish Kate Humble wasn't so exciteable.
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:59 pm

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 24):
Nice concept. I do wish Kate Humble wasn't so exciteable.

The BBC is always keen to roll out 'celebrity presenters' for programmes like this in order to make them seem approachable, and sometimes/usually I feel it's totally unnecessary and condescending, but generally I felt that the opening programme struck a nice balance between informative and entertaining. It probably helps that the Open University is involved.
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:15 pm

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 24):
Nice concept. I do wish Kate Humble wasn't so exciteable

Do bear in mind that Kate was a last minute stand in for Dan Snow and probably didn't have a lot of prep time - and she's more used to lambs and calves than A380s and 747s - she even admitted that ordinarily she doesn't like going to airports.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:48 pm

A jolly good effort on the part of the BBC there; live TV is difficult enough in a controlled environment but to pull off a full hour of live broadcasting with no commercial breaks from an airport control tower, the ramp, an aircraft under tow and an aircraft about to depart is fantastic. I'll definately be tuning in for the rest of the week, I hope it will become available for a.netters who can't watch it live.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:59 pm

absolutely amazing!!! i was shocked how it was filmed all so perfectyl!!! i miss LONDON!!!
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:12 pm

Am I the only one who thought it was absolute crap? I mean i love aviation and the shots of Heathrow are great bla bla. I turned off after the 5th time Kate Humble (really annoying presenter at the best of times) said "So how high up are we here" when talking about the control tower. Jesus what a terrible terrible terribly produced TV show. Difficult to stress the pathetic production of this.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:20 pm

Quoting adriaticflight (Reply 29):
Am I the only one who thought it was absolute crap? I

Probably! I actually quite enjoyed it and thought the BBC did well. To be honest I thought the most cringe worhty thing was the guy laying in the SQ suite and the way he spoke to the SQ FA..
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:32 pm

Quoting anstar (Reply 30):
Probably! I actually quite enjoyed it and thought the BBC did well.

I just can;t stand the whole "live" "oh my god it;s amazing" attitude of shows like this. Its a stylistic dislike to this kind of documentaries. I've written for TV so I guess I;ll never be able to watch this kind of programe even about topics i love.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:35 pm

Remembering that it is aimed at a general audience and is probably more casual viewing for those in-the-know I thought they handled it well. They didn't dumb it down too much, was factually correct - or at least not incorrect - and considering the main presenter wasn't that interested in the topic, did well to engage. I'm hoping in the coming episodes they go into a bit more detail on some aspects - they're supposed to be following a realtime aircraft turnaround tomorrow for example.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:40 pm

I think you have to remember that the show isn't aimed toward us a.netters, it's for those with less appreciation and understanding of all things aviation. Most of what was covered will not have been a surprise to most of us on here, but nonetheless I thought it was very well done with very few, if any, factual inaccuracies that we all like to bitch about when we see aviation related shows elsewhere.

Kudos to the BBC.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:09 pm

Very much enjoyed the programme and am looking forward to tomorrow night!
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:13 am

Quoting upperdeck (Reply 33):

I think you have to remember that the show isn't aimed toward us a.netters, it's for those with less appreciation and understanding of all things aviation. Most of what was covered will not have been a surprise to most of us on here, but nonetheless I thought it was very well done with very few, if any, factual inaccuracies that we all like to bitch about when we see aviation related shows elsewhere.

Kudos to the BBC.

  

I thought, as a show aimed at the general public, it was pretty good. Even my wife was interested, and she is normally totally indifferent about aviation.

Looking forward to the remaining shows.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:38 am

I guess we have to congratulate Kate Humble on jumping in at the deep end at the last minute to cover for Dan Snow, who was off for personal reasons, but it was something of an ardour dampening after weeks of excitement for the presenter to say that she "didn't like airports". A bit like Monty Don saying "sod the bloody garden, let it run to weed".

But good content, interesting features, well put together. A lot of Airbus bias though, didn't you think ? They might mention Boeings tonight...  

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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:12 am

Quoting adriaticflight (Reply 29):
Am I the only one who thought it was absolute crap?

No you're not. While I enjoyed some of the prerecorded sequences (at least they had a producer who appeared to know what they were doing) the live parts were awful. Here are three gems from the inept presenters:

- To engineer: "what do you put in engines to service them?", A. "oil".
- "Oooh I never knew water came out of a plane".
- To man in control tower: "what's your worst case scenario?", A. "a crash".

To me it just reinforces how dumbed down the BBC is nowadays (you only have to watch Breakfast 'News' to see this), and especially how the Beeb seems to go for airhead presenters who have no enthusiasm or even brief for their job, yet get paid much more highly than the experts running airlines and servicing planes. The analogy with the One Show is so true ...
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:30 am

We also get the BBC here in Belgium, I found the show real nice and interesting. Looking forward to the next episodes!
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:56 am

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 37):
- "Oooh I never knew water came out of a plane".

Again its not aimed at Anetters ! If your referring to the bit where she said she was wondering why hot water was being released they explained it quite well for those who know nothing about these things. A neighbour of mine watched it and commented on it and said she would not have thought about it ! So it served its purpose of educating people that would not know these things.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:32 am

Quoting Paulbc (Reply 36):
A lot of Airbus bias though, didn't you think ? They might mention Boeings tonight...

If you knew nothing about LHR you did tend to get the idea from the shots shown that it was awash with A380s as they did tend to hog the limelight - though there were plenty of shots of the BA747s to give a bit of balance  
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:53 am

Quoting anstar (Reply 30):
To be honest I thought the most cringe worhty thing was the guy laying in the SQ suite and the way he spoke to the SQ FA..

True, it did seem like SQ were pushing for some free advertising (on the BBC???) for their service and product.

On the plus side, the turnaround piece was very well edited, equal representation of VS and BA crews. I guess the beeb don't want Branson or Walsh throwing a tantrum...

Overall a very interesting and informative show, with plenty of nice views... I look forward to the rest of it.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:47 am

These episodes(1-3) are now viewable via YouTube.
Episode 4 , still has to be broadcast tonight.

Episode 1:-
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qeA_8yMpQhI

Episode 2:-
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NHS12PWhJ10

Episode 3:-
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9mX30SL2Z0U
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:57 am

I've watched all three episodes to date, and think that accusations of "dumbing down" are unwarranted.
It is mainstream television and has to appeal to an audience of millions, many of whom wouldn't normally even know the difference between Airbus and Boeing.

My only criticism to date would be that the control tower sequences get a little monotonous, particularly as they don't seem to take full advantage of the view it commands, lots of distance shots, but few closeups.

The rest of the programme appears to be well constructed to show evrything from the nearly blindingly obvious such as "cargo travels in the hold" to quite detailed information regarding the painting of aircraft. I'm sure there weren't many viewers who already knew exactly how many dots make up the flag on a BA A320 fin.

They haven't as yet covered anything regarding passenger handling in the terminals, but thats been covered extensively in character led docuseries (Airport which was filmd at Heathrow, plus the long running series about Easyjet)

I did note two evenings running, low load factors on VS, 141 pax on a 333 to Washington on Tuesday and 145 on a 346 to Johannesberg yesterday, slightly surprised both by the figures and that they willingly disclosed them.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:22 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 43):
My only criticism to date would be that the control tower sequences get a little monotonous, particularly as they don't seem to take full advantage of the view it commands, lots of distance shots, but few closeups.

Agree, although that might be in part due to the last minute replacement of presenter - she sometimes seems too overwhelmed by the information.

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 43):
They haven't as yet covered anything regarding passenger handling in the terminals, but thats been covered extensively in character led docuseries (Airport which was filmd at Heathrow, plus the long running series about Easyjet)

And I don't think they should. Like you say, plenty of other series about it and this is more aimed at the parts the passengers can't see.

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 43):
I did note two evenings running, low load factors on VS, 141 pax on a 333 to Washington on Tuesday and 145 on a 346 to Johannesberg yesterday, slightly surprised both by the figures and that they willingly disclosed them.

Yh noticed that as well. Although at least on the JNB service they had the rally car cargo as well which will bring in a bit more revenue.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:43 am

To me it's brilliant series. They have tried their best to explain most of the aviation/airport things in simple terms so even common man can understand that.

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 44):

If she is not in to Aviation unlike us, it's so natural to overwhelm with the information, I don't see anything wrong in it.

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 40):

A380 is simply most talked about aircraft at the moment, almost 5 years in to the service but public craze and excitement about this giant is still there. So obviously they showing more things relate to A380. 747 is almost a past now, long gone, there is nothing exciting left in it for good number of people who are not in to aviation/aviation hobby. I don't see anything wrong in it.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 39):

Well said. I love aviation, I go for flight spotting and follow few things but even that thing was new to me..we all learn something every day.

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 37):

Sounds little harsh to me...Every one watching programme or people asking questions are not Aviation experts.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:53 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 43):
I did note two evenings running, low load factors on VS, 141 pax on a 333 to Washington on Tuesday and 145 on a 346 to Johannesberg yesterday, slightly surprised both by the figures and that they willingly disclosed them.

Yes that was very surprising. I also thought that giving out the loads would be a no no but I guess either they had not thought about it or they are being fully open. The jury is out. Good come back from the VS Girl though that everyone would have lots of space to move around LOL... I doubt we will see Little (in the ) Red being dispatched though LOL..

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 45):
Well said. I love aviation, I go for flight spotting and follow few things but even that thing was new to me..we all learn something every day.

Exactly and there is no harm in admitting it. Plenty of things I have picked up. Plenty of arm chair CEOs but the one who is always willing to learn and listen is the wiser one.  

I am a true aviation enthusiast and enjoy anything like this. Sitting in my living room with the 50'' HD TV and surround sound is great . Not as good as being there but still pretty cool.   Im thinking ot trying out the 3D upscaling tonight just to see if its any good.
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:00 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 46):

Cheers mate, hope you enjoy 3D view   can see Anita going for fire fight 

Talking about Little red..I doubt it too. Would love to 787 being dispatched....
 
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:38 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 43):
I'm sure there weren't many viewers who already knew exactly how many dots make up the flag on a BA A320 fin.

And all to be removed from the stencil by hand.... over 27000, wasn't it? Poor guy who will have to do that for the A380 tail fin   
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RE: BBC AirportLive , 17th-20th June

Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:56 am

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 48):
And all to be removed from the stencil by hand.... over 27000, wasn't it? Poor guy who will have to do that for the A380 tail fin

27652 for an A320, who can come up with the number for the A380 ?