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Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent

Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:33 pm

The 787-10 will be launched during the Paris airshow. The WSJ has also revealed the launch customers:

> Air Lease
> British Airways
> Singapore Airlines
> United Airlines

More news soon..

http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/345277009481592832

[Edited 2013-06-13 13:38:10]
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RE: Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent

Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:46 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
> United Airlines

Interesting ... I smell a cancelation on the other side.

Bummer that Lufthansa is not on the list - yet(?)
 
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RE: Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent

Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:47 pm

If it's done today it's no mistake, they're trying to steal some of the A350 thunder since Airbus has schedule its first flight tomorrow. The 787-10 and the A350-900 are the two that compete directly head-to-head.
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RE: Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent

Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:48 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
The 787-10 and the A350-900 are the two that compete directly head-to-head.

They are not 1-to-1 competitors, they only overlap each other a bit.
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RE: Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent

Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:50 pm

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 1):
Bummer that Lufthansa is not on the list - yet(?)

I believe LH will announce its wide-body order later this year, but not during the Paris airshow.
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RE: Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent

Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:57 pm

Tit-for-tat. Neither side want the other to have all of the media attention. Timing absolutely has something to do with A359 first flight.
Exciting times.

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Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:57 pm

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 1):
Interesting ... I smell a cancelation on the other side.

It could smell more like a conversion to a larger bird on the other side too?
 
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Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:59 pm

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 1):

That's exactly what I thought as well. The 787-10 in UA-cls. This will be a beautiful plane.
 
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Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:59 pm

There'll be alot of orders from those that use the 777-200ER. Great replacement for that aircraft even though it's less than 20 years old by the time the -10 comes on line it could start replaceing 22-25 year old 772ERs.
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RE: Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent

Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:00 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 5):
Timing absolutely has something to do with A359 first flight.

The only thing I care about is the technical pdf   
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Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:07 pm

Quoting ap305 (Reply 6):
It could smell more like a conversion to a larger bird on the other side too?

25 787-9 and 25 A359 - would make sense (although A359 is not a 747 replacement to me, I'm sorry)
25 787-9, xx 787-10 and 25 A350-1000 - makes no sense to me.

I'd rather see a change into a large number of A321 NEO for replacement of the PMCO (TATL) 757s.
777-8X as replacement for 777 pacific ops and 777-9X as 747 replacement. I already abandoned hope for a 747-8 order.

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RE: Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent

Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:08 pm

Quoting ap305 (Reply 6):
It could smell more like a conversion to a larger bird on the other side too?

   I expect some conversions too (but not from SQ and BA, these are new orders).

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 8):
Great replacement for that aircraft

   I agree, unless one needs the full range of 772ER. The 78J will be an ~ 7100nm bird while the 772ER has a range of 7700nm.

[Edited 2013-06-13 14:09:28]
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Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:12 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 11):
I agree, unless one needs the full range of 772ER. The 78J will be an ~ 7100nm bird while the 772ER has a range of 7700nm.

Perfect, then, for operators of early 772ERs with slightly limited range compared to the later birds...   
 
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Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:14 pm

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 1):
Interesting ... I smell a cancelation on the other side.

UA has a financial incentive not to cancel the A350 order as it was tied into the A320s that were cancelled in Ch. 11. UA would be on the hook for the cancellation fees, which would probably be higher than for a normal order.
 
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RE: Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent

Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:17 pm

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 1):
I smell a cancelation on the other side.

I they cancel they will lose their deposits. It makes more sense to upgrade to the larger A350-1000 and use it as an 747 replacement (just like BA did).
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RE: Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent

Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:39 pm

WSJ saying launch in Paris with customers from US (UA, ALC), Europe (IAG), and Asia (Singapore Air).

[Edited 2013-06-13 14:40:56]
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Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:41 pm

Quoting ap305 (Reply 6):
There'll be alot of orders from those that use the 777-200ER.

Agreed. I could definitely see a significant amount of the A330 replacement market going this way as well. Those frames used on regional routes would be ideal.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
The only thing I care about is the technical pdf

Can't wait. If trip cost is lower than the A359 up to around 5000nm it will be a winner.

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 10):
25 787-9, xx 787-10 and 25 A350-1000 - makes no sense to me.

Why not? That lineup makes a lot of sense to me. If you need range and have demand for around 300 seats you go with the 789, if you don't need all of the range you go with the 781 and if you need more seats and more range you go with the 351. I think that would be an excellent UA lineup.

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 10):
777-8X as replacement for 777 pacific ops

I cannot see them ever ordering the 777-8X. They do not own a 77F or a 77L, why would they need the 777-8 that the 351 could not do better?

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):
It makes more sense to upgrade to the larger A350-1000

Agreed.

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Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:04 pm

Could this mean a route like SFO-SIN?
 
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Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:24 pm

I wonder if AA and EK will order the 787-10..
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Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:33 pm

How many aircraft do we think the launch order will be for?

30 SIA - Previously Announced
30 AL - Referenced in WSJ article
18 BA/IAG - Converted options assumed to be for the -10
~20? UA - W.A.G.

I am not sure that it is that unrealistic to assume that at launch it will have more orders than the 358 currently has.

If it launched at PAS, it could have more orders than the 351 by the end of the year.   

I really want to hear how they plan on executing the ramp up because IMO 12-14/month run rate is a must come 2017 if they want to have any decent slots open before 2020.

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 17):
Could this mean a route like SFO-SIN?

No. That is 200nm above the 7100 max range. I do not imagine you will see too many 787-10s crossing the pacific (Maybe Japanese birds in low density). North America to Europe or South America, Middle East to Asia or Europe, Inter Asia/Australasia will be its primary uses.

Quoting Miami (Reply 18):

I wonder if AA and EK will order the 787-10..

IMO, AA definitely (77E replacement) and EK definitely not (too small).

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Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:33 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 18):
I wonder if AA and EK will order the 787-10..

American, certainly, but I'd be doubtful about EK.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:35 am

I see no reason for UA to cancel the A350-900 order - the 787-10 is not going to be able to perform missions like LAX/SFO-EU that are currently operated by the 777-200ER. Yes, the 787-9 has the legs to do it, but the 787-9 can't take the 2+4+2 Global Business Class product used on the 77E which means they will be either using the 767-300ER GB product or the 2+2+2 BusinessFirst product and the extra row the A350-900 can take of either will be welcomed.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:06 am

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EK will order the 787-10

I recall EK left the door open for the 787-10. Even though EK has a LARGE A350 order, I think they also spoke with Boeing about the 787-10 and wouldn't be surprised if they reduce their A350 order (in favor of more A380s which hasn't been ruled out) to get the 787s.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:07 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 21):
but the 787-9 can't take the 2+4+2 Global Business Class product used on the 77E

Thank god!!! 2-4-2 in business should go away.

But I agree with your point in general that the 787 is no reason to cancel the the A350 order. The new 777 might be a different story, though.

Delta could be an early customer.

It wasn't that long ago that Richard Anderson said he would take it now if available:
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000154946

Also recent reports suggest that they are considering a new wide body order.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:23 am

Quoting klkla (Reply 23):
Delta could be an early customer.

It wasn't that long ago that Richard Anderson said he would take it now if available:
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000154946

Also recent reports suggest that they are considering a new wide body order.

I believe they have delayed their 787-8 deliveries out past the 787-10 EIS, so they could convert the orders without impacting their delivery positions while still giving them plenty of time to get ready for them.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:32 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 21):

With 7100nm range the 787-10 will have no problem performing any LAX/SFO-EU routes. LAX to IST is the longest route from LAX to Europe, and at 5970nm should be easily doable by the 787-10.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:01 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 21):
I see no reason for UA to cancel the A350-900 order

Agreed...I can see a handful of 787-10s coming in to replace the 772A models and possibly some of the 772ERs used on East Coast US - Europe, where that aircraft will shine. I think we will eventually see ~25-30 788s to replace the 762/763 and maybe some of the 757 routes, then maybe 20/20 789/78J for eventual 764 and sub-6000 nm 772 requirements.

The A350s will still be very useful for UA's network, especially across the Pacific. The only change I'd see is additional orders for some A350-1000s to replace the highest capacity 744 routes (HKG and SYD particularly).
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:05 am

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 25):
With 7100nm range the 787-10 will have no problem performing any LAX/SFO-EU routes. LAX to IST is the longest route from LAX to Europe, and at 5970nm should be easily doable by the 787-10.

That range is just passengers and baggage. The 787-10 will have a massive cargo capability so the more important number is what the range will be with a significant cargo load (closer to MZFW).

At respective full payloads, the 787-10 should fly about an hour farther than an A330-300. Definitely see it being used from ORD/DFW/EWR to Europe, but not sure she'll have the legs for West Coast ops (especially westbound from the EU).

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Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:24 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 21):
the 787-9 can't take the 2+4+2 Global Business Class product used on the 77E which means they will be either using the 767-300ER GB product or the 2+2+2 BusinessFirst product and the extra row the A350-900 can take of either will be welcomed.

I thought UA was sticking with the old CO layout anyway, which should be 2-2-2 in either the A350 or 787.

But I agree that the A350 order isn't going anywhere. I expect their fleet to end up far larger than the existing order.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:53 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 27):
At respective full payloads, the 787-10 should fly about an hour farther than an A330-300. Definitely see it being used from ORD/DFW/EWR to Europe, but not sure she'll have the legs for West Coast ops (especially westbound from the EU).

Passenger only routes might be perfectly viable in the 787-10. During high season it flys full of passengers, and on weaker seasons it shifts to cargo as the passenger load decreases. More to the point, they likely won't be looking at these more marginal routes till farther into the 781 delivery cycle, so figure a bit more payload and a bit lower fuel burn than spec.

That said, I don't see a 787-10 as any kind of proof that the A359 is dead at UA. They certainly have the routes to make the A359 pay its way. Now that said a 787-10 does remove some of UA's demand for A359 thus reducing the chance options will be taken. Course it reduces the chances that more of the smaller 787 will be taken up too.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:43 am

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 1):
Interesting ... I smell a cancelation on the other side.

Bummer that Lufthansa is not on the list - yet(?)

The CEO of LH Franz said a few weeks ago that LH will not be the launch customer of the 787-10X but it is still under consideration. As it is also being discussed in the LH 747 replacement thread LH is not pleased with 787-10X getting more range and hence gaining more weight. Still I believe the 787 as a good chance with LH as the A350 is not lighter or has less weight then the 787-10.

Link in German in which is said that LH won´t be the launch customer:

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Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:13 am

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 10):
25 787-9, xx 787-10 and 25 A350-1000 - makes no sense to me.

787-10 will not have legs to do Central US/East Coast to Asia flights when fully loaded.
A350-1000 and 787-9 for Asia and 787-10 for Europe and Latin America make perfect sense.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:35 am

So UA has seen interest in the 787-10X I see, are they still studying the A350-1000 to replace 747-400's?? The 787's will probably replace the 777-200ER's.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:57 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 27):

You are correct on that but even with all that said the 787-10 should be able to perform LAX/SFO to all of west Europe with full pax and a decent cargo load year round. Using the A330-300 as your example we can see that DL sends one comfortably year round on SEA-AMS route. UA serves 3 cities from SFO to Europe CDG, LHR and FRA and one from LAX to LHR all being under 5100nm. If the rumored numbers for MZFW will be around 4700nm for the 787-10 then those routes will be a piece of cake. But I do agree with you that the bread and butter routes for this plane will be eastern half of US to Europe, at least over the Atlantic.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:41 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):
Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 1):I smell a cancelation on the other side.
I they cancel they will lose their deposits. It makes more sense to upgrade to the larger A350-1000 and use it as an 747 replacement (just like BA did).

  

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 10):
25 787-9, xx 787-10 and 25 A350-1000 - makes no sense to me.

It makes perfect sense to me. 787-10 to replace 772s and 77Es that don't need the range.

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 10):
777-8X as replacement for 777 pacific ops

They can better use the A350-900 for that. They have a great deal on those, why throw it away?

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 10):
777-9X as 747 replacement. I already abandoned hope for a 747-8 order.

Maybe, eventually UA will need the 777-9X. But for now the A350-1000 is a smarter choice.

Quoting Miami (Reply 18):
I wonder if AA and EK will order the 787-10..

AA is a certainty to me. Perfect 77E TA replacement. But no need to hurry yet. EK can IMO certainly not be ruled out.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 19):
EK definitely not (too small).

EK wants >300 pax planes. Which the 787-10 certainly is.

Quoting klkla (Reply 23):
Delta could be an early customer.

Doubt it. It's too expensive for them.
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Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 33):
the 787-10 should be able to perform LAX/SFO to all of west Europe with full pax and a decent cargo load year round. U

It was SUH who asked for 100-200nm of extra range on the 787-10. After doing a number of scenarios I wonder if it was these routes that he had in mind when he said that 'some customers' would appreciate the difference. I think every major US and European airline have a route between CDG, FRA, AMS, &/or AMS and California.

Then again, it could be the Japanese East Coast routes: As was mentioned in another thread, the 787-10 could even work from NRT to EWR/JFK/YYZ/IAD as long as it was low density Japanese seating and light cargo so there is no hard and fast rules on these decisions.

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Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:18 am

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 34):
Quoting klkla (Reply 23):
Delta could be an early customer.

Doubt it. It's too expensive for them.

By the time the 787-10 comes out, DL should have more manageable debt levels of $5-$7 Billion dollars. The 787-10 is the only aircraft not ordered that I've heard RA say they could see in their fleet.
 
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 19):
I really want to hear how they plan on executing the ramp up because IMO 12-14/month run rate is a must come 2017 if they want to have any decent slots open before 2020.

From a Bloomberg Article: 14/month by 2015!
"While the planemaker isn’t discussing goals beyond 2013, Boeing will need a faster rate to fill more than 800 Dreamliner orders and make room for a stretched version of the jet by 2020. Analysts surveyed by Bloomberg project the pace will reach 14 a month as soon as 2015, up from Boeing’s target of 10 by year end."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...on-a-year-on-787-output-boost.html

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 34):
EK wants >300 pax planes. Which the 787-10 certainly is.

“We’re finding that the smallest aircraft that’s useful to us needs to be 340 seats,” Clark said
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...-a350-as-boeing-stalls-on-777.html

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Quoting Stitch (Reply 27):
At respective full payloads, the 787-10 should fly about an hour farther than an A330-300. Definitely see it being used from ORD/DFW/EWR to Europe, but not sure she'll have the legs for West Coast ops (especially westbound from the EU).
Quoting columba (Reply 30):
The CEO of LH Franz said a few weeks ago that LH will not be the launch customer of the 787-10X but it is still under consideration. As it is also being discussed in the LH 747 replacement thread LH is not pleased with 787-10X getting more range and hence gaining more weight. Still I believe the 787 as a good chance with LH as the A350 is not lighter or has less weight then the 787-10.

If LH doesn't buy the 787-10, we'll know all their carping about A & B designing airplanes with too much range capability wasn't serious.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:16 pm

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 34):
EK wants >300 pax planes. Which the 787-10 certainly is.

A "big plane" in EK terms also means range. Tim Clark keeps on pushing more range for new jets and I think the 78J doesn't have the desired range.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:36 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 37):
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 34):EK wants >300 pax planes. Which the 787-10 certainly is.
“We’re finding that the smallest aircraft that’s useful to us needs to be 340 seats,” Clark said
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1....html

Wow. Then indeed the 787-10 will be too small for EK. I wonder why they haven't converted at least some of the A359s to -1000s, the -900 lacks 50 seats by their standards   
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:41 pm

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 40):
I wonder why they haven't converted at least some of the A359s to -1000s, the -900 lacks 50 seats by their standards

I'm pretty sure they will convert some. In a recent interview, Clark said he wants to see real data from the aircraft before making the decision.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:05 pm

AC has announced internally that all options after the original 37 deliveries of -8s and -9s, will be -10s.
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The 787-10 and the -9 will most likely the best selling variants of the 787 family.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:28 pm

OldAero makes a point I wanted to yesterday about LH...they complain about weight and range and yet here's a plane in the 10X that is tailored made for them. If they don't order it then it just serves my point that they will never order aircraft from Boeing in a contested RFP situation.
 
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RE: Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent

Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:42 pm

I don't know why would UA buy the 787-10 when the A350XWB-900 can eventually replace ALL of the older 777's in the UA fleet--and has the range to easily fly US East Coast to eastern Asia and US West Coast to just about all of Europe. Now, buying more 787-8's and some 787-9's to replace the rapidly aging 767 fleet, that's a different story.
 
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RE: Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent

Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:49 pm

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 45):
I don't know why would UA buy the 787-10 when the A350XWB-900 can eventually replace ALL of the older 777's in the UA fleet--and has the range to easily fly US East Coast to eastern Asia and US West Coast to just about all of Europe.

Because the 787-10 is likely to be more efficient on shorter-length flights than the A350-900.
 
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RE: Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent

Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:17 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 43):
The 787-10 and the -9 will most likely the best selling variants of the 787 family.

So much for JL assertion that the 787-10 will be another 767-400.
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RE: Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent

Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:12 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 47):

So much for JL assertion that the 787-10 will be another 767-400.

Who takes him seriously on most Boeing matters anyway?
It's the guy's job to downplay - even diss - the competition.
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RE: Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent

Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:36 pm

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 40):
I wonder why they haven't converted at least some of the A359s to -1000s, the -900 lacks 50 seats by their standards

I think they will. As they ordered before the redesign I believe they have the ability to walk away from the order without losing the deposits and buy not changing the order they can keep pressure on A at no cost to them. I think the A359 is an excellent aircraft for them because they will get that great efficiency two years before the 351 and three more years before the 77X. I think they are waiting to convert to the -1000 once things become more clear for them regarding the 351 capabilities, the 77X timeline/capabilities, and their own capacity projections. They do not want to modify the order multiple times. The A359 may not be an ideal size but they need the seats and these seats come with excellent fuel burn. I just do not see them buying a 787-10 when they are clearly not going to be even take all of the A359s that they have on order.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 42):
AC has announced internally that all options after the original 37 deliveries of -8s and -9s, will be -10s.

Is that 23? I have read that 787-8/9 options cannot necessarily be exercised for the 787-10 without additional consideration. The delays may be that consideration, not sure.

Quoting columba (Reply 43):
The 787-10 and the -9 will most likely the best selling variants of the 787 family.

It does appear that way. However I think the 8 will still be a solid seller. More than 75% of the 787-8 customers do not yet have any orders for the 787-9. If you look at that by # of orders the number is smaller but it still reflects a point that for many customers the 787-9 is too big and they will only be ordering the -8.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 21):


I see no reason for UA to cancel the A350-900 order

Looks like they are not only not going to cancel the A350 order but maybe expand on it:
"Evrard said that Airbus would soon add a customer in the United States, where industry sources say that United Airlines (UAL.N) is negotiating to upgrade and expand an existing order to 35 jets."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...rance-airbus-idUSBRE95D06520130614

Who knows if its reliable especially because UA has 25 orders (and 50 options) by my records, not 35.

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