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EVA Air Considers Adding ORD, DFW, And IAH

Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:50 am

Here's the link to the article.

(中央社記者汪淑芬台北19日電)長榮航空董事長張國煒今天說,明年美國現有航點考慮增班,並新增芝加哥、達拉斯、休士頓等航點。
(The Central News Agency Taipei, Wang Shufen, 19Mar13) EVA AIR CEO Zhang Guowei expresses that it is considering increasing frequencies of current US flights and adding Chicago, Dallas, Houston, etc.

長榮航空預計6月正式加入國際上最大的航空聯盟「星空聯盟」。
EVA AIR is set to officially join the world's largest alliance, Star Alliance, in June.

張國煒說,加入聯盟後航網將大幅增加,服務也會提升,預計可以吸引更多國際旅客搭乘。因美國是長榮航空很重要的市場,明年會考慮增班及增新航點。
Zhang expresses that joining the alliance will greatly increase the services of EVA AIR and may attract more international travelers. Because US is an important market to EVA, it is considering increasing frequencies of current routes and adding new destinations.

長榮航空現在直飛美國本土的航點有洛杉磯、舊金山、西雅圖及紐約。張國煒說,考慮明年新增芝加哥、達拉斯及休士頓。
Currently, EVA AIR has direct US flights to Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, and New York. Zhang says that Chicago, Dallas, and Houston are being considered for new destinations in 2014.

張國也證實,現有15架波音777飛機需求仍不夠,會再引進新機;預估未來長榮航空的波音777機隊,可能達到30架。
長榮航空現有飛機中有5架Hello Kitty彩繪機,第6架將在今年下半年完成。而長榮航空在美國設立的飛行學校,最快10月營運。
Zhang also announces that the current 15 77W's are not enough and will obtain more aircrafts; EVA may obtain 15 more 77W to make a total of about 30 77W in the fleet. EVA also has 5 Hello Kitty jets in the fleet. The 6th Hello Kitty aircraft should be completed during the second half of 2013. EVA AIR's new flight school in the US will start operation in October the earliest.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:36 am

Given their new membership in STAR, I really see this going to ORD and IAH first.
I'd love to see them next time I'm at DFW, for sure... but it would surprise me.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:00 am

It would also be nice if BR's flight times into SEA, LAX, and SFO were better timed to connect with UA. Generally, the options are limited due to late afternoon, early evening arrivals.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:06 am

Just happen to mention this on a thread i started about ORD, now BH officialy states they have interest in expanding. I See ORD being first on the list if they do expand. STAR to Star would allow connections on both ends. ORD Has better geography than IAH for connections. What i hear traffic alone to taiwan is typically low yielding VFR traffic, so connections would have to happen on both ends for these routes to work. IAH has limited service to Asia so maybe BH feels they could exploit a maket thats underseved rather go up against a number of airlines at ORD. I dont see DFW happening soon, there is not much BH could offer that KE via ICN and AA/JL Via NRT couldnt. Not to mention AAs own service to ICN.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:59 pm

Quoting thekennady (Reply 3):

I Stated BH, sorry, i meant BR
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:45 pm

I am not too sure if BR expansion makes sense.
I flew BR very often and most of time, for business reason, the west coast or the east coast is not where my final destination is. So, I usually have to fly some domestic flight before connecting to West Coast BR departure back to Taiwan. What I find it interesting is that on code shared flight, few passengers are with me (take Dallas or Houston as some of my recent example)all the way from domestic to catch the BR flight. I could be wrong but what I am saying is the I am not sure if Direct flight to inner USA destination can warrants the traffic. Let's not forget most Chinese love to stay at the West Coast.
I think if BR wants to explore, they should opt for 787 or B777-200ER/LR because the traffic is thin. That is my guess but I guess BR knows better!
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:35 pm

Fleet wise, BR just said they were considering both the 787-10 and 777X when available.

EVA Air Considering B787-10 And B777X (by LAXintl May 11 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:13 pm

Don't forget the number of Taiwanese in Central America is rather large. an IAH flight would be position perfectly to take advantage of that esp with UA strong presence in markets such as GUA, MGA, SAP, BZE
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:34 pm

A flight to both IAH and DFW would probably be overkill.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:51 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 8):
A flight to both IAH and DFW would probably be overkill.

Not to mention....unrealistic. KE is already at DFW along with AA into NRT, (now) Seoul and Greater China. BR would need to carve out a niche, while not being able to take part in alliance family connecting traffic. At IAH, they would be among it's own while drawing on Southeast US / Gulf Coast / C. & S. American connecting traffic.

Same is true for Asiana Airlines being discussed on a seperate thread regarding their desire to connect Seoul with Brazil while considering a number of tech. stop possibilities both in NA and EU. With IAH, the tech. / transit visa stop (assuming this gets resolved between DC & Brazil soon) also becomes a hub and spoke opportunity since their is a definite need for added capacity into Brazil for the Gulf Coast concerning O&G related travel that only UA currently commands access to at the moment.

Not to mention the amount of belly freight that could be generated for either carrier (BR & Asiana). TK is already enjoying the fruits of its new IST-IAH service both in pax yields and belly freight are astronomical right now resulting in a shift to daily services this summer along with talk of a 2nd daily flight in the future. With the success TK is experiencing right now, I am wondering if EK is even going to lift a finger to answer that success with a return to either a 2nd daily rotation OR ultimately introduce the A380 instead?

I think the their are a few drawbacks right now to the introduction of new carriers into IAH is ground handling space. First, T-D is full most of the day from 1pm to 6pm with a few slots available from 6pm on next to BA, TK, EK, & QR. Second, Air China is also struggling with FIS on getting them to schedule enough Border Agents to support their after midnight flight. Although, I feel that if both BR and Asiana began services then their would be a much stronger case for IAH to be staffed on a 24hr basis like LAX & JFK if at least one of these were also performing a late evening departure from IAH along with Air China.

[Edited 2013-06-14 09:56:21]
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:06 pm

IAH and ORD make the most sense. Both are Star hubs and both could complement each other by connecting from various areas..IAH strong from the south and Lat Am...ORD could pull connections from East/midwest/northeast Etc. I Dont know how close BR will work with Star but it cant be a bad move to expand at Star hubs first.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:07 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 7):
Don't forget the number of Taiwanese in Central America is rather large. an IAH flight would be position perfectly to take advantage of that esp with UA strong presence in markets such as GUA, MGA, SAP, BZE
Quoting GESubsea (Reply 9):
I think the their are a few drawbacks right now to the introduction of new carriers into IAH is ground handling space. First, T-D is full most of the day from 1pm to 6pm with a few slots available from 6pm on next to BA, TK, EK, & QR. Second, Air China is also struggling with FIS on getting them to schedule enough Border Agents to support their after midnight flight. Although, I feel that if both BR and Asiana began services then their would be a much stronger case for IAH to be staffed on a 24hr basis like LAX & JFK if at least one of these were also performing a late evening departure from IAH along with Air China.

Not to digress to much but you are correct. The IAH management seems very slow in reacting to such and term D is a grand example. "If you build it they will come" would be very true in IAH's case IMO.

As for Eva great news if it happens hopefully IAH management gets on the ball and lobbies hard for it.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:10 pm

ORD and DFW? Eagle tails beware!!  
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:06 pm

Quoting GESubsea (Reply 9):
TK is already enjoying the fruits of its new IST-IAH service both in pax yields and belly freight are astronomical right now resulting in a shift to daily services this summer along with talk of a 2nd daily flight in the future. With the success TK is experiencing right now,

No need to exaggerate now. IAH is neither a load nor especially yield leader for TK in the Americas.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:42 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
No need to exaggerate now. IAH is neither a load nor especially yield leader for TK in the Americas.

Doesn't need to be.....just needs to remain profitable ..

[Edited 2013-06-14 12:42:54]
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:54 pm

Quoting GESubsea (Reply 14):
Doesn't need to be.....just needs to remain profitable

And its not. Trust me. Matter of fact very little longhaul at TK is profitable...
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:01 pm

Are they planing to fly to Frankfurt (FRA) at all?
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:09 pm

Quoting GESubsea (Reply 14):
Doesn't need to be.....just needs to remain profitable ..

I would be flabergasted if it isnt losing truck loads of money. The fares are in the dirt. It just started, so we need to give it time.

Quoting foppishbum (Thread starter):
(The Central News Agency Taipei, Wang Shufen, 19Mar13) EVA AIR CEO Zhang Guowei expresses that it is considering increasing frequencies of current US flights and adding Chicago, Dallas, Houston, etc.

ORD would be a logical next choice for EVA. The TPE-US market is extemely centered on the West Coast and NYC. There is very little Southern US-Taiwan market, so I question why IAH and especially DFW (given no alliance ties) are being considered. They could probably fill a plane and pull in a small amount of money to ORD, whereas DFW and IAH would bleed.

As the resident DFW fanboy on this site, BR would not be able to make DFW work as much as I would love to see them here. At least IAH has the alliance connections, but it wont be enough. DFW-TPE and IAH-TPE are both around 30 PDEW and they are the largest markets in the south to TPE. Its not a good choice on BR's end.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:33 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
There is very little Southern US-Taiwan market, so I question why IAH and especially DFW (given no alliance ties) are being considered. They could probably fill a plane and pull in a small amount of money to ORD, whereas DFW and IAH would bleed.

When CI operated IAH-SEA-TPE they were depending on a significant number of Vietnamese travelling to SE Asia.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:39 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 18):
When CI operated IAH-SEA-TPE they were depending on a significant number of Vietnamese travelling to SE Asia.

And they got them. Maybe thats why they arent there any more. US-Vietnam traffic is so low yielding, its not worth going out of the way to get. The back of the bus on SQ's IAH flight is full of Vietnamese VFR, but at least there is a high fare component up front. Such would not be the case on an IAH-TPE flight.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:56 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 18):
When CI operated IAH-SEA-TPE they were depending on a significant number of Vietnamese travelling to SE Asia.

Which now travel SQ

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 19):
Maybe thats why they arent there any more.

No they aren't there any more because the tech stop in SEA and the requisite offloading of everyone there made it unattractive.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 19):
but at least there is a high fare component up front. Such would not be the case on an IAH-TPE flight.

But they would have cargo. the SQ flight to IAH lives and dies on cargo. BR would too.
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:37 am

Whatever the case....a new BR service to the US can only be a good thing for whoever lands them.

[Edited 2013-06-14 17:54:32]
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:54 am

Quoting GESubsea (Reply 21):
and when adding that to the amount of cargo being pushed back and forth across the Atlantic (mainly HOT O&G shipments into Baku, Mid-East and N. Africa)....the flight should be performing close to if not within the margins even if they have to discount the "back of the bus".

Oh they are not just discounting the back of the bus, but also the middle and the front, too... on a day-to-day basis, TK's J class fares are certainly among the cheapest, if not absolute cheapest, at IAH. I certainly hope TK make it work, but lets not act like they are about to go double daily or anything like that ....

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 19):
And they got them. Maybe thats why they arent there any more. US-Vietnam traffic is so low yielding, its not worth going out of the way to get. The back of the bus on SQ's IAH flight is full of Vietnamese VFR, but at least there is a high fare component up front. Such would not be the case on an IAH-TPE flight.

Exactly. SQ can fill the front up with $12,000 J(or in their case, "Z" is their highest level business class bucket) seats.BR won't be able to do that, period, from either DFW or IAH.
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:10 am

This news has been there for couple months.

I wouldn't hold my breath on this until they actually increase JFK, LAX and SFO to maximum flights first.
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:07 am

well if there joining Star Alliance i dont see it as likelly for the biggest one world airport to be there first pick
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:01 pm

The Taiwanese carriers should run an A333 via ANC to the lower 48 states for carrying cargo and any self loading cargo they carry would be gravy! And for those of you who will say the A333 will be stretched westbound its true but most of the cargo flights are pretty empty that way anyway. And if eastbound is a weight issue those A333s can leave TPE half full and pick up stuff the 744Fs haul to ANC for them. This will save them flying a 744F to a few lower 48 cities which dont need a 744F capacity or will do better with higher frequency point to point anyway instead of those infrequent circuitous routes like ANC- ORD-IAH-ANC or ANC-MIA-IAH-ANC or ANC-ATL-DFW-ANC. Heck they should really get some A332Fs to haul from ANC to the lower 48!
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:42 am

I can almost guarantee that IAH will happen sooner rather than later for BR. Lets look at the history:

China Airlines does TPE-SEA-IAH. Granted not with much success, but they were not in an alliance and the route was operated with an A340.

Eva has been flying cargo flights into IAH for years now, so they already have a relationship with the City of Houston.

Eva and CO were pretty close before the UA merger.

Throw in that Eva is now in Star and that IAH is a Star fortress hub, I'm surprised (well not really) that CO/UA didn't/hasn't start(ed) service on their own metal! And if the authorities in DC and Brazil remove the visa restrictions, then BR, or even Asiana, would be stupid NOT to start TPE/ICN-IAH-GRU!!!!!

I just wonder how CA will react if and when BR starts service.      
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:28 pm

I still see an issue with EVAAIR flying to any of these locations aside from the West Coast and East, to fill their 777-300ER seats. Perhaps a smaller aircraft might be a better choice? Do you think they would consider the 777-200 model?
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:33 pm

Quoting celestar (Reply 27):
I still see an issue with EVAAIR flying to any of these locations aside from the West Coast and East, to fill their 777-300ER seats. Perhaps a smaller aircraft might be a better choice? Do you think they would consider the 777-200 model?

Better yet....a 788.
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:13 pm

Quoting celestar (Reply 27):
Do you think they would consider the 777-200 model?

They originally had 3 777-200LRs on order, but they changed them to more 777-300ERs.
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:33 pm

It would be great publicity if they flew the Hello Kitty 777 over on the inaugural flights. Such a unique brand element would definitely get some free attention from the media and raise public awareness of the brand.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:31 am

BR could work at IAH but I still think the slam dunk is OZ. Seoul would be a great connecting hub and Asiana can charge and get a premium upfront and fill the back with VFR to Southeast Asia.

I don't think IAH could handle 2 more Asian carriers though.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:42 am

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 12):
ORD and DFW? Eagle tails beware!!

What eagle tails? Those are disappearing... sadly...  

Actually, I would be surprised to see BR in DFW. If hey announced it, I wouldn't be surprised to see CI jump in; they already fly a 747 cargo flight DFW-TPE, and I don't think they would sit on the sidelines if BR started passenger service. Even though DFW is a OW fortress, CI seems to be doing very well with what they have there.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:26 am

I would be one of the people benefiting if BR does follow through with their plan on starting nonstop TPE-IAH passenger service! It would make it so convenient for me to connect at IAH from MSY since there are a dozen nonstop flights to choose from conpared to just one nonstop flight each on UA LAX-MSY and SFO-MSY. I just hate the long layover time especially when I return to MSY from TPE.
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Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:31 am

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 31):
BR could work at IAH but I still think the slam dunk is OZ. Seoul would be a great connecting hub and Asiana can charge and get a premium upfront and fill the back with VFR to Southeast Asia.

I highly doubt this will happen anytime soon. It's a bit of a stretch to justify a non-stop link for a local market that barely pushes 50 PDEW. Plus, Asiana's widebody fleet works overtime with really tight rotations and they were only recently able to make ORD a daily service.

Dallas-Seoul local market is twice the size of Houston-Seoul so that explains why there's a DFW-ICN but no IAH-ICN.
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Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:04 am

50 people isn't a huge market, but how many of those folks fly up front? Additionally, what about the 23 mainland China connections beyond ICN? What about Cebu, Manila, Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh, Singapore, Taipei, Osaka, Nagoya, Sendai, Bangkok, etc...?

And, for the folks starting in Asia/ICN, IAH offers up connections to Central and South America, Mexico, Texas, Florida, and more.

Not sure why connecting two Star Alliance hubs with a premium carrier would be highly doubtful, especially since both markets have large amounts of business travel.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:31 am

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 35):
50 people isn't a huge market, but how many of those folks fly up front? Additionally, what about the 23 mainland China connections beyond ICN? What about Cebu, Manila, Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh, Singapore, Taipei, Osaka, Nagoya, Sendai, Bangkok, etc...?

And, for the folks starting in Asia/ICN, IAH offers up connections to Central and South America, Mexico, Texas, Florida, and more.

Not sure why connecting two Star Alliance hubs with a premium carrier would be highly doubtful, especially since both markets have large amounts of business travel.

I'd actually expect UA to start it with a 787, if anything. Still haven't heard any rumors whatsoever about a IAH-ICN flight, so I wouldn't hold my breath for too long. Rumors about a DFW-ICN service on AA surfaced nearly two years before AA announced it last year.
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Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:51 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
As the resident DFW fanboy on this site, BR would not be able to make DFW work as much as I would love to see them here.

I wouldn't write it off so fast. They do fly a lot of cargo into DFW as it is. With a 77W, I would guess that they could make it worthwhile with enough belly cargo in the mix. Not saying this will make it happen, but it's worth considering...
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:43 am

It is good to see EVA AIR belonging to some major alliance worldwide. It helps both the airline and the image of Taiwan.
Apparently in celebration of this alliance, EVA AIR went to shoot a promo with the title I see You, where a very famous Japanese/Taiwanese movie star is playing the lead role in this DV. I watched it last night. I am not quite impressed. I appreciate their PR effort but I think they should be able to do it better. Sorry for off tangent to the subject!