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United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:55 pm

From Reuters

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...rance-airbus-idUSBRE95D06520130614

"Evrard said that Airbus would soon add a customer in the United States, where industry sources say that United Airlines (UAL.N) is negotiating to upgrade and expand an existing order to 35 jets."
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:58 pm

10 A350-1000s for a partial 744 replacement, with the other replacements being 777-9X?
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:05 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):

I don't see UA committing to use or type. 35 would be useful no matter what they end up "replacing"
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:10 pm

Combining this news with the 787-10 news it seems pretty clear where UA's longhaul fleet is heading:

787-8, 787-9, 787-10, A350-900, A350-1000
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:23 pm

How I wish this will come true and UA will order some more aiframes. Not because of my nationality and the fact that some jobs here are linked to the A350-programme or that I have Airbus shares but simply because this would end all theses "UA-will-cancel-their-A-350s-posts". Imagine how much time we all would save! I think it'll be 10 minutes more time to play with our children or having the your after-work-beer 10 minutes earlier!  
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:36 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 4):


How I wish this will come true and UA will order some more aiframes. Not because of my nationality and the fact that some jobs here are linked to the A350-programme or that I have Airbus shares but simply because this would end all theses "UA-will-cancel-their-A-350s-posts". Imagine how much time we all would save! I think it'll be 10 minutes more time to play with our children or having the your after-work-beer 10 minutes earlier!

Anybody that says that is a fool. I have talked to people who are as about as "in the know" as you can get and the 350 is coming to UA.
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:50 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
Combining this news with the 787-10 news it seems pretty clear where UA's longhaul fleet is heading:

787-8, 787-9, 787-10, A350-900, A350-1000

Pretty much can't disagree with this, except that it will take a quite a long time before this becomes the reality (maybe a decade or longer). I mean only 2 of those types are even flying (only 1 up until today).

UA is such a large airline that even a fleet of 20-30 of a type can be supported. They do not need to scale within a type like other airlines do. They have scale. So they could realistically have a fleets of 75- 787's, 75-A350's and still add another type.
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:03 pm

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 6):
Pretty much can't disagree with this, except that it will take a quite a long time before this becomes the reality (maybe a decade or longer).

Absolutely, the sCO GE Powered 777s, sCO 764s and sUA two class 763s will be flying with UA for a long time.
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:23 pm

I am happy to hear this... However if you look at the quote in the article, it is saying actually two things... that Airbus will add a customer in the US (United is an existing customer already, so they couldn't be adding a customer), and that people close to United are saying United will expand their order to 35. So this means that besides United, there will be another customer in the USA. I can only think of Delta, because AA will already have the ones coming from US Airways, unless they count AA still as separate and before their merge, AA orders the type.

Of course, maybe the article is written wrong and they are simply saying they will have an US customer add more frames.

Anyways, Paris is around the corner, I'm sure there will be many surprises.

Btw, the A350 is a awesome looking aircraft.
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:38 pm

Quoting atnight (Reply 8):
I am happy to hear this... However if you look at the quote in the article, it is saying actually two things... that Airbus will add a customer in the US (United is an existing customer already, so they couldn't be adding a customer), and that people close to United are saying United will expand their order to 35

Perhaps Evrard means a new customer in the U.S for the -1000 which United will be if it orders the variant. Delta would be a coup for Airbus but weren't they looking for 330s/777s?

[Edited 2013-06-14 10:39:08]
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:41 pm

Quoting atnight (Reply 8):
I am happy to hear this... However if you look at the quote in the article, it is saying actually two things... that Airbus will add a customer in the US (United is an existing customer already, so they couldn't be adding a customer), and that people close to United are saying United will expand their order to 35. So this means that besides United, there will be another customer in the USA. I can only think of Delta, because AA will already have the ones coming from US Airways, unless they count AA still as separate and before their merge, AA orders the type.

That might just be some confusion in wording chosen by the author. The only one left in the US to order the A350 would be Delta or AA via merger, and you'd think that the author would mention that. I think the key point is that UA may be expanding the A350 order, which is great news. The previous A350 order did not factor in network growth since the CO merger which now justifies more widebodies.
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:53 pm

Well, like I said, it could just be wrong wording,,, but knowing fully well that United is already a customer with orders already in place, it makes you wonder why he said "add a customer in the USA. Anyways, I have a feeling we are in for a surprise.
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:42 pm

Quoting atnight (Reply 8):
Btw, the A350 is a awesome looking aircraft.

If only it's windows were a scooch larger! Come on Airbus, stop being stingy!
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:56 pm

Quoting ap305 (Thread starter):
"Evrard said that Airbus would soon add a customer in the United States, where industry sources say that United Airlines (UAL.N) is negotiating to upgrade and expand an existing order to 35 jets."

The article doesn't say that, it (now) says :

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Evrard said Airbus would soon add a customer in the United States, where industry sources say United Airlines is negotiating to expand an order for 25 jets.
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[Edited 2013-06-14 11:59:21]
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:05 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 13):

Well, that's why I said that it seems as Airbus is going to add a new customer which is not United, since they are a customer already of the A350. It could mean that it's a US leasing company, but I think is possible that AA or Delta (would be a huge surprise) would be it.

Anyways, we will find out soon enough.
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:06 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 13):
The article doesn't say that, it (now) says :

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Evrard said Airbus would soon add a customer in the United States, where industry sources say United Airlines is negotiating to expand an order for 25 jets.
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They have edited it for some reason I guess. Perhaps that number was not supposed to be in the public domain.
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:27 pm

I know it's early in the planning, but being a GS flyer on UA, I'd like to know if any A350 routes for UA have been discussed.
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:27 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):

Combining this news with the 787-10 news it seems pretty clear where UA's longhaul fleet is heading:

787-8, 787-9, 787-10, A350-900, A350-1000

And that would be a perfect line-up imho.  .

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 4):
How I wish this will come true and UA will order some more aiframes. Not because of my nationality and the fact that some jobs here are linked to the A350-programme or that I have Airbus shares but simply because this would end all theses "UA-will-cancel-their-A-350s-posts". Imagine how much time we all would save!

  

Quoting ual777 (Reply 5):
Anybody that says that is a fool. I have talked to people who are as about as "in the know" as you can get and the 350 is coming to UA.

  

And so it should. They will nit throw away deposits and delivery slots just because some posters here would like to have them and keep them the all Boeing wide body fleet. They have selected the A350 for its qualities. And these have not changed since the merger with CO.
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:42 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 16):
I know it's early in the planning, but being a GS flyer on UA, I'd like to know if any A350 routes for UA have been discussed.

Not really sure to be honest. I deal more with flight ops. If I was to throw a dart at a board, I would expect to see them going to Asia primarily with some long-range Europe thrown in to boot.

This is purely my own speculation, but since the merger, you can see that UA has really shifted around where the 777s fly. MUC, AMS, CDG, and FCO are all gone from the 777 schedule in IAD. They have been replaced by the 767s and 757s. Why? The 767-3/4 is better optimised for Europe, whereas the 777 has longer range and can carry more cargo to Asia/ME. With the exception of LHR, BRU, and FRA, the 777 out of IAD is all but gone from Europe. The 767-400s and -300s are taking its' place.

I would guess the A350 would go on routes to the mid-east, India, EWR-HKG, SFO/LAX-Australia, and other real "leg strechers" that push the 777 too hard range-wise. Anything you see a 747 on now will be gone, and the additional 10 aircraft will probably add to that some. There is a total of 25 potential options and I am of the opinion that if the aircraft performs as promised or better, we will see more of those options solidified, and may even see some -10s.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:46 pm

Quoting atnight (Reply 14):
Well, that's why I said that it seems as Airbus is going to add a new customer which is not United, since they are a customer already of the A350. It could mean that it's a US leasing company, but I think is possible that AA or Delta (would be a huge surprise) would be it.

An order by Delta would not surprise me one bit.


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Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:50 pm

Quoting ual777 (Reply 18):

India replacing a 777 with 350? Why? Guessing with United places their planes on certain routes would give anyone a headache. They clearly don't want to do anything consistent. Flying EWR-SFO often for work I've been on 10 different a/c. At least AA is consistent with the 762.

UA plans on using the 350 for a 777 replacement? As much as I want to like the 350 this seems insufficient. I'd love to see it go to IST, FRA, HNL, FCO, ZRH, AMS & CDG out of EWR.

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Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:53 pm

The A350 is the most beautiful aircraft since the 757!
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:12 pm

I will not rule out the A380 in the future United fleet.
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:24 pm

Reading another time , the Reuters article , i come to the conclusion , that if United is negociating for more A350s , a NEW US CUSTOMER will see the light , probably next week at Le Bourget. WHO ?
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:29 pm

Quoting titus95 (Reply 22):
I will not rule out the A380 in the future United fleet.

I don't think so - too big for them. But the A350, yes, a lot of them in UAs future.

Quoting Noise (Reply 21):
The A350 is the most beautiful aircraft since the 757!

Perhaps! Anyway, I'm just glad the A350 doesn't continue the Airbus tradition of the A300 / 330 / 340 with the rear coach cabin rising upwards. That always looked so weird to me.
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:35 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 16):
I know it's early in the planning, but being a GS flyer on UA, I'd like to know if any A350 routes for UA have been discussed.

I think one of the first places you will see the A350 deployed is on UA's routes to HKG and other routes where they need to get the 744 off the route. UA has already moved the 744 out of ORD and for UA's routes from ORD to PVG,PEK, and NRT the 772ER works great although we can't accommodate the same number of passengers as we could on the 744 the 772ER still gets the job done and we rarely encounter a weight restriction. HKG however is different and although we haven't encountered many weight restrictions on the flight from ORD-HKG (this is mainly due to the fact that we have had an unusual cool spring) the flight from HKG-ORD has been encountering weight restrictions almost everyday. In fact some days UA can't put any freight on the inbound flight from HKG due to weight restriction costing UA a lot of money. So I suspect that ORD-HKG will probably get the A350 as soon as possible and probably EWR-HKG although I'm not sure if the sCO 772ER is weight restricted out of HKG as well and maybe SFO-HKG. Perhaps SFO, LAX to SYD would get see the A350 as well and after that anyones guess is as good as mine because all the other flights out of SFO that are now operated with a 744 can be operated using the 772ER.
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:19 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 20):

India replacing a 777 with 350? Why? Guessing with United places their planes on certain routes would give anyone a headache. They clearly don't want to do anything consistent. Flying EWR-SFO often for work I've been on 10 different a/c. At least AA is consistent with the 762.

UA plans on using the 350 for a 777 replacement? As much as I want to like the 350 this seems insufficient. I'd love to see it go to IST, FRA, HNL, FCO, ZRH, AMS & CDG out of EWR.

You probably wont see the A350 on any of those. It will go on really long-haul routes. Why? Full pax load and full cargo load. The bigger engines burn more fuel so why take a sledge hammer to smash a fly so to speak? The larger A350 only has a big cost advantage when you fill all the seats. If you can fill a 787/787 to 90-95% and take cargo, why put a plane on the route that will only go 80-85% full and half empty in the belly?

Why would the 350 be insufficient? If anything, all those routes out of EWR will probably go 787 when the 767 retires.
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:22 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 17):


And so it should. They will nit throw away deposits and delivery slots just because some posters here would like to have them and keep them the all Boeing wide body fleet. They have selected the A350 for its qualities. And these have not changed since the merger with CO.

They selected it because they put the screws to airbus and got a really good deal. That aside, it is a very capable airplane and will fit UA's fleet nicely.
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:29 pm

So what will United be in 10 years? An absolute giant airline with a staggering amount of long legged widebody aircraft doing 12 to 20 hour missions (in some cases) but no First Class and by then dated Business Flat Bed seat in one of the world's most advanced aircraft. Do we see a new J product on the launch pad?
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:42 pm

Quoting VC10er (Reply 28):
So what will United be in 10 years? An absolute giant airline with a staggering amount of long legged widebody aircraft doing 12 to 20 hour missions (in some cases) but no First Class and by then dated Business Flat Bed seat in one of the world's most advanced aircraft. Do we see a new J product on the launch pad?

Who is to say there won't be? I for one am cautiously optimistic about UA's future. Things service/operations wise are trending in the right direction.

The big ticket items in the near future (IMO) are:

1. Upgrading the United Express fleet
2. Finishing joint contracts
3. Finishing the total merger of the two cultures
4. Completing Wifi installs

I think we will also see a new smaller narrowbody fleet at mainline as well.

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Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:57 pm

Bloomberg is announcing that UA will shift the A359 orders to the A351 and will convert options to the 787-10 and presumably some of the A350 options as well:

"The carrier will modify a 2009 order to take 25 wide-body A350-1000s instead of the smaller -900 variant as once planned, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the discussions are private. United also will convert options for a couple dozen A350s and Dreamliners into firm orders, with the Boeing jets being the new 787-10X model, the people said."

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...st-787-a350-in-boeing-airbus-order

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Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:27 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 30):
Bloomberg is announcing that UA will shift the A359 orders to the A351 and will convert options to the 787-10 and presumably some of the A350 options as well:

I just found this article on Yahoo news that also claims that United is in talks with both Airbus and Boeing they claim sources are telling them that United is in talks to switch it's order to the A351 and convert some options to firm orders it also says United is in talks with Boeing for the 787-10 although it not really clear whether United would convert options into firm orders or reduce the number of 788 they have on order and change some of those 788's over to 787-10.

I think United will keep the current order of 788 where it is because we have to replace our aging 763 international 3 cabin aircraft and I think United will convert some of their option to firm order for 787-10 as a replacement for some of sUA older non ER 772.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...iner-787-a350-1000.html?cmpid=yhoo
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:29 pm

Here goes another 777 airline getting A350-1000's. Hoping the Paris Air Show gets two Boeing newbies launched, the 787-10 & 777-9X. The best news for Boeing in Paris is more 787 & 777 get ordered then A350's.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:33 pm

I feel like Nostradamus today  
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:40 pm

This quote is a little vague about how the A350 options will be used. IMO 25 orders of the 351 should be enough for an initial order to replace the 24 747s in UA's fleet (29 units would be a 1:1 swap in terms of seats). I wonder what further option conversions referenced is the article is referring to. They could be thinking that some of their 77E's would get upgauged to 351s or maybe the exercised options will be used to buy some 359s with later slots. Interesting wording for sure.

Bloomberg is usually on top of it, otherwise I would say that this was probably a misquote and the order conversion applies to the 787-10 only.

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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:11 pm

What would this mean for the A350 delivery slots? When is the first A351 flight suppose to happen? Will they make the same in service dates?

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Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:15 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 34):
This quote is a little vague about how the A350 options will be used. IMO 25 orders of the 351 should be enough for an initial order to replace the 24 747s in UA's fleet (29 units would be a 1:1 swap in terms of seats). I wonder what further option conversions referenced is the article is referring to. They could be thinking that some of their 77E's would get upgauged to 351s or maybe the exercised options will be used to buy some 359s with later slots. Interesting wording for sure.

I think it is more than just replacing sUA 744 fleet with this merger I think the combined UA is looking probably at up gauging some sCO routes as well. I can clearly remember reading on this website some peoples opinion that the A359 was not an appropriate replacement for the 744 fleet and once the merger happens many thoughts that some sCO routes currently being flown on 772ER could benefit from a larger aircraft that larger aircraft seems to be the A351 of these articles are confirmed. So I think this is more than just sUA original order to replace the 744's this probably is also about putting some larger aircraft on some international routes out of EWR as well and find the right aircraft to replace the744 and the A351 could be that aircraft for UA moving forward we will have to wait and see.

I personally thought UA would wait go for the 779x but it seems like that might be to much aircraft for UA because we don't need a aircraft that can do 20 hour nonstop missions with is what some Middle East airlines are looking for and are pressuring Boeing to do. If Boeing does give in to that pressure then it seems more and more likely that the A351 will be UA biggest widebody after the 744 are retired.
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:28 am

Quoting jayunited (Reply 36):
So I think this is more than just sUA original order to replace the 744's

That appears to be the only answer if they are indeed converting a decent amount of options for the 351 in addition to the 25 changed orders. I would have thought that they would order in tranches and not such a large order though.

Quoting jayunited (Reply 36):
I personally thought UA would wait go for the 779x but it seems like that might be to much aircraft for UA because we don't need a aircraft that can do 20 hour nonstop

I thought the 777-9X had a small chance but I am not sure I would call it a 20 hour mission aircraft. -8X definitely but not the 9X. I agree that if there are 30+ orders for the 351 then the chances of a 779 are very low.

The 787-10 was on the horizon when they ordered the A359 so it could not have been that 78J made them change their mind to upgrade to the 351. Why take 50 options with your 20 orders, are they really thinking they could have a need for 70 A350s and not order the A359. I think United is better managed than that.

I think this will come out that they will use the 351 to replace the 744 and upgrade some 77Es and most of the rest of their routes will be filled by some 789s but mostly 78Js. However, I really cannot see them not keeping some of the A359s because it definitely would be the ideal aircraft for the high LF 77E missions above 5500nm which they have more than a handful of.

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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:42 am

I would not be surprised that United converted the 25-plane A350XWB-900 order to A350XWB-1000. With the A35J, United can quickly retire the well-worn 747-400 fleet.

Now, United buying more 787-8 and 787-9 models could become a reality. United's 767 fleet needs to be replaced soon, and a big 787 order would fill UA's need for a smaller plane on medium to long range routes.
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:32 am

And here I was thinking it would be WN or AS! Oh the disappointment! (tongue firmly planted in cheek) :-P
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:55 am

Quoting jayunited (Reply 25):
So I suspect that ORD-HKG will probably get the A350 as soon as possible and probably EWR-HKG although I'm not sure if the sCO 772ER is weight restricted out of HKG as well and maybe SFO-HKG. Perhaps SFO, LAX to SYD would get see the A350 as well and after that anyones guess is as good as mine because all the other flights out of SFO that are now operated with a 744 can be operated using the 772ER

Sometimes it can be a problem when the payloads reach the upper 80's to 90's+ and weather...etc. For the most part though, it isn't a real problem. Obviously this is on a enroute redispatch flight plan as well. If something is left behind it isnt really more than a few thousand pounds. Our sCO birds are pretty good as far as the -200's go.
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:42 am

Well, it probably all makes sense but as an enthusiast of 4 engine types it's very boring !
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:09 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 32):
Here goes another 777 airline getting A350-1000's.

You should be getting used to it by now!   

FWIW, I think you'll see plenty of others as well. However, it should not be forgotten that UA doesn't operate the 77W and the -1000 seems destined to replace the 744 in their fleet. Does that help a bit?

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 32):
Hoping the Paris Air Show gets two Boeing newbies launched, the 787-10 & 777-9X.

Well, the -10 is just about a nailed-on cert, but I think the 777 update will be a while yet. Unless, of course, Boeing is suddenly feeling very rushed.
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:24 am

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 4):
simply because this would end all theses "UA-will-cancel-their-A-350s-posts".

Dream on...until UA signs on the dotted line, the posts will continue.

Quoting atnight (Reply 8):
Btw, the A350 is a awesome looking aircraft.

IBTD...I think it's their ugliest plane yet...the entire tail section looks like they just gave up and slapped it together last minute...it doesn't look proportional at all to the rest of the fuselage.
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:39 am

Quoting ual777 (Reply 26):
t will go on really long-haul routes. Why? Full pax load and full cargo load. The bigger engines burn more fuel so why take a sledge hammer to smash a fly so to speak?

It will fly on any route, long or short, on which it can be filled with passengers and cargo. UA even uses domestic 744s from time to time. If the aircraft can be filled and flown profitably, it will be filled.

Now, on some of the routes mentioned (IST, AMS, FCO) it will be 787s. But on fortress routes like IAD-FRA, the A350 will fly and it will fly full. Remember, the "range" is with full pax, not with full pax and cargo. Flying shorter than max range increases your cargo capacity.
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:52 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
787-8, 787-9, 787-10, A350-900, A350-1000

According to Bloomberg, UA will convert the existing order of 25 A350 aircraft to the larger A350-1000. If true, the fleet will become

> 787-8
> 787-9,
> 787-10
> A350-1000

Quote:
The carrier will modify a 2009 order to take 25 wide-body A350-1000s instead of the smaller -900 variant as once planned, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the discussions are private. United also will convert options for a couple dozen A350s and Dreamliners into firm orders, with the Boeing jets being the new 787-10X model, the people said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...gest-dreamliner-787-a350-1000.html
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:00 am

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 43):
Dream on...until UA signs on the dotted line

Er, they have already signed on the dotted line. From reports, they're about to sign on another Airbus dotted line.
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:25 pm

I see this being similar to the expansion order by CX, i.e. take the first 15 359s for which they have early slots, convert 10 to 3510, and add 10 3510s - or similar.

Remember the 359 will be available at least 2 years before the 3510 and if they need the capacity before then I do not see them delaying the first available frames.
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:00 pm

I'd love to see a 350 out of EWR to Asia. I got back from TLV today and they were chatting about 747 being run on that route. Any truth?

Quoting ual777 (Reply 26):
Why would the 350 be insufficient? If anything, all those routes out of EWR will probably go 787 when the 767 retires.

I wish. Haha. I'd have to commute down to IAH to get a ride on a 787. How soon will UA get their first 350?
 
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RE: United May Expand A350 Order

Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:10 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 48):
I got back from TLV today and they were chatting about 747 being run on that route. Any truth?

They would love the capacity to TLV I'm sure, and it's *very* unlikely. With the dispatch reliability of UA's 747s being as poor as it's been lately, they've already pulled it out of all UA hubs save for SFO (and LAX-SYD).
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