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Are DL 739ERs replacing 757s?

Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:05 pm

Hi All...... be kind, first post ever ! thrilled to see the big Delta order for the 739-ER ...... obviously going to replace the older 757's ( especially the 75N) from Northwest. Curious... as the 739's come online, one older 757 will be removed from the fleet ?
 
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Are DL 739ERs replacing 757s?

Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:39 pm

Quoting DELTArodeo (Thread starter):
as the 739's come online, one older 757 will be removed from the fleet ?

You will be seeing the older 757-232 leaving soonest, those retirements have already started. The 757-251 (75N) aircraft are also slated for retirement but will not be the first to leave. The majority, but not all of the 737-900ER aircraft will be 757 replacements.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:50 pm

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Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:17 pm

When is the first 737-900/ER due for Delta ?

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Are DL 739ERs replacing 757s?

Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:39 pm

Quoting The777Man (Reply 3):
When is the first 737-900/ER due for Delta ?

I think they come on property sometime in Sept and in service beginning of Oct.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:41 pm

I am not sure but I think the first delivery is around the end of next month.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:00 pm

I just found the delivery schedule. The first is in September. Then 3 for Oct, and 4 each in Nov. & Dec. Then 19 per year until all aircraft are on property. This includes 30 possible options. By the way all of these will be ETOPS equipped.
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:06 pm

Does anyone know some of the initial routes they will be used on? Thanks.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:12 pm

Quoting B757forever (Reply 1):
...these retirements have already started

According to http://www.airwaysmag.com six 757s have been retired since mid March.
501US 87,477 hours; 503US 87,872 hours; 602DL 89,259 hours, 604DL ? hours
636DL 80,555 hours; 637DL 81,590 hours.....
Also http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9761 shows another 757 on 12 June going to KBYH, an airport normally used for parting.

[Edited 2013-06-14 13:30:38]
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:52 pm

Are the CNs known for any of these yet, I see none of Delta's 737-900ERs listed on any of the main production sites.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:31 pm

Quoting UGA777 (Reply 7):
Does anyone know some of the initial routes they will be used on? Thanks.

Out of ATL, on routes that typically see some combination 738/MD90/757 equipment.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:34 pm

Quoting UGA777 (Reply 7):
I just found the delivery schedule. The first is in September. Then 3 for Oct, and 4 each in Nov. & Dec. Then 19 per year until all aircraft are on property. This includes 30 possible options. By the way all of these will be ETOPS equipped.

Think they'll use them to replace the 757's configured for Europe? can they make it ?
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:45 pm

Quoting DELTArodeo (Reply 11):
Think they'll use them to replace the 757's configured for Europe? can they make it ?

No. No 739s to Europe.
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:48 am

Quoting DELTArodeo (Reply 11):
Think they'll use them to replace the 757's configured for Europe?

No - the 75Es are among the newest of Delta's 757s. They aren't going anywhere for a very long time.
 
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:16 pm

DTW, LAX, and SLC will most likely see the 739s at first and on flights between those airports. The sizeable fleet of 757s maybe around for a long time yet like the DC-9s.
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:18 pm

739 replacing the 757?

From a passenger's's viewpoint, that will not happen unless they put an L2 door on them and make the F cabin at least 24!
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:27 pm

Quoting skymiler (Reply 15):
739 replacing the 757?

From a passenger's's viewpoint, that will not happen unless they put an L2 door on them and make the F cabin at least 24!

Boy, from a crew member's standpoint I agree 100%! Boarding through 2L is SO much easier. FC can settle in and get a beverage without the flight attendants always having to swim upstream.

Sadly, Boeing will never add a door there because they would lose so many seats.
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:59 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 16):
Sadly, Boeing will never add a door there because they would lose so many seats.

Wouldn't that be up to the airlines and not Boeing? They are the ones who decide on the configurations and interiors.
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:36 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 17):

Wouldn't that be up to the airlines and not Boeing? They are the ones who decide on the configurations and interiors

Of course the ultimate decision would rest with the airline purchasing the plane but it would require some retooling at Boeing increasing the price and would dramatically reduce the revenue potential for the airplane.

Another aircraft that is great for 2L boarding is the A330. It drives us crazy when they insist on boarding through 1L and makes things chaotic and overcrowded in the front of the plane. Most versions of DL's 767's don't have a door 2L and it is a difficult aircraft to board without drama.
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:43 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 18):
Quoting brilondon (Reply 17):

Wouldn't that be up to the airlines and not Boeing? They are the ones who decide on the configurations and interiors

Of course the ultimate decision would rest with the airline purchasing the plane but it would require some retooling at Boeing increasing the price and would dramatically reduce the revenue potential for the airplane.

Another aircraft that is great for 2L boarding is the A330. It drives us crazy when they insist on boarding through 1L and makes things chaotic and overcrowded in the front of the plane. Most versions of DL's 767's don't have a door 2L and it is a difficult aircraft to board without drama.


Yes, I see what you were saying. My body and mind are about 10 hours ahead of my physical time then. Yes, I agree that it is very chaotic when getting on a DL 763 in HNL, with people in the aisle trying to take up the overhead storage in the front just so they don't have to carry their life's belongings to their seat in row 30 or so. I must say that you username tells me that you know what I am talking about. I don't enjoy the arguments that ensue when my carryon was crushed under the weight of a "carry on" that did not fit the overhead bin was stuffed on top and then they tried to squeeze    the bin shut. I was in row 3.
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:26 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 19):
Yes, I see what you were saying. My body and mind are about 10 hours ahead of my physical time then. Yes, I agree that it is very chaotic when getting on a DL 763 in HNL, with people in the aisle trying to take up the overhead storage in the front just so they don't have to carry their life's belongings to their seat in row 30 or so. I must say that you username tells me that you know what I am talking about. I don't enjoy the arguments that ensue when my carryon was crushed under the weight of a "carry on" that did not fit the overhead bin was stuffed on top and then they tried to squeeze the bin shut. I was in row 3.

We try to monitor it but frequently people just ignore us. We can ask but we cannot enforce. It has been known that occasionally someone who dumped their carry on into a forward overhead bin when they were seated in row 34 and were very politely asked to place it closer to their actual seat was somehow unaware that at some point in the flight it was moved to about row 58....don't know how that happens. One of those "mysteries of flight."
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:44 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 20):
We try to monitor it but frequently people just ignore us. We can ask but we cannot enforce. It has been known that occasionally someone who dumped their carry on into a forward overhead bin when they were seated in row 34 and were very politely asked to place it closer to their actual seat was somehow unaware that at some point in the flight it was moved to about row 58....don't know how that happens. One of those "mysteries of flight."

  

Ah ha ha, I have seen that happen as well as removed to be gate checked by my seat partner. Thank you for that memory and I hope that you would be on a flight I am on someday.
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:53 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 21):
Ah ha ha, I have seen that happen as well as removed to be gate checked by my seat partner. Thank you for that memory and I hope that you would be on a flight I am on someday.

Back in the "bad old days" when everyone was carrying garment bags that looked like they had a corpse in there I was working a 727-100 flight. It had a coat closet that would hold about 5 bags. The closet was located right across the aisle from the galley which was amidships. This big, nasty businessman came on saw that the closet was full and threw a Level IV Hissy Fit. He threw the heavy garment bag at this very petite female flight attendant and snarled "Hey you--DO something with this." Without any emotion she whipped open the galley service door, kicked his garment bag down onto the ramp and said when she had reclosed the door--"Consider it done." He was so shocked he just sat down and never said a word. We had to lock ourselves in the cockpit because we were laughing so hard.

[Edited 2013-06-15 12:54:51]
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:32 pm

Quoting SELMER40 (Reply 8):
...going to KBYH

The 14 June issue of airwaysmag.com fleet update reports N640DL 82,886 hours was the 757 that went to KBYH. They have previously reported that two 767s and two 757s have been removed from storage and returned to service.
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:39 pm

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 13):
No - the 75Es are among the newest of Delta's 757s. They aren't going anywhere for a very long time.

I'm not so sure--they're really not used very much for their original intention; they're only dedicated to BSB and 1-2 daily transatlantic flights off season, and not many more during the summer.
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:12 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 24):
I'm not so sure--they're really not used very much for their original intention; they're only dedicated to BSB and 1-2 daily transatlantic flights off season, and not many more during the summer.

The 75E aircraft will remain in the fleet. They will be getting 16 flatbed seats and expanded EC. These will become the mainstay of the premium transcon fleet.
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:35 pm

If they are ETOPS I wonder if they are trying to phase out the -212 series 757s out of LAX to Hawaii? Some were originally delivered to Singapore Airlines in 1984.
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:13 am

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 26):
If they are ETOPS I wonder if they are trying to phase out the -212 series 757s out of LAX to Hawaii? Some were originally delivered to Singapore Airlines in 1984.

That's a great question, Tommy. They need to do something with those 757s they use to KOA, OGG, LIH, etc.. The 753s are fine, but the 752s are in bad shape for a market with so much competition. I wonder if they will place a 73J (737-900ER) on KOA, LIH, and change to a newer 757 on others, etc... They really do need to upgrade both cabins in these markets.

I think we'll see 739ERs flown on some shorter legs, i.e., ATL-JAX/MCO/FLL/MIA/PBI, in the beginning. Those routes have so many quick turns, they can get a lot of early training done on them.

Midcons still flown with older 75Ns are other routes where I wouldn't be surprised to see them being utilized early on.
 
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:10 am

Quoting SELMER40 (Reply 23):
They have previously reported that two 767s and two 757s have been removed from storage and returned to service

Any info on these birds? Tail numbers, etc?
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:45 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 28):
Tail numbers,

Sorry, I should have pulled out my paperwork and given them.
757s 682DA, 683DA. 767s 124DE, 126DL removed from storage in April.
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:31 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 24):

they won't go anywhere.....

at worst they would get put into a domestic configuration. Having said that they will be getting lie-flats in J and will be the backbone of the transcon fleet. Europe will come back at some point and they will see some limited Euro-JFK flying.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 26):

highly likely. (though I looked at the retirement schedule and didn't see them.....but i didn't look that hard.)
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:59 pm

Quoting SELMER40 (Reply 29):
Sorry, I should have pulled out my paperwork and given them.
757s 682DA, 683DA. 767s 124DE, 126DL removed from storage in April.

Thank you very much!
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:09 pm

DL is investing heavily in an upscale transcon product. The 75E is the perfect airplane for that. With more seats than the A320 it should be a moneymaker.
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:56 pm

Can the 737-900ER make it from the West Coast to Hawaii without significant weight penalties?
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:11 am

Quoting highliner2 (Reply 33):
Can the 737-900ER make it from the West Coast to Hawaii without significant weight penalties?

The Delta 57s currently plowing California-Hawaii are regularly restricted so the 737s definitely will be.
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:57 am

Gawd those 757s DL runs to Hawaii are just awful. Will never do that again. AS is so much better wth their 738 equip an can get skymiles anyways with them. No brainer. DL should send those birds to VCV for permanent retirement.
 
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:31 am

These seem like the kind of birds to do mid to transcon routes as well as high density Florida and Carribbean routes. I don't really see these birds taking over the Hawaii routes, mainly because the range (according to dl.com) states that the 73J will have a range somewhere just shy of 900 miles less range than the 75V.

However, that being said, I really hope that DL plans on having a few inches more pitch than 37" in F. I know this won't be true, but one can hope.
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:49 am

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 28):
Any info on these birds? Tail numbers, etc?

It'll be the 3800 series. First ship is 3801 - delivery scheduled for Mid-Sep.

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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:18 am

Quoting timpdx (Reply 35):
Gawd those 757s DL runs to Hawaii are just awful. Will never do that again.

What was wrong with the flight?
 
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:01 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 38):
Quoting timpdx (Reply 35):Gawd those 757s DL runs to Hawaii are just awful. Will never do that again.

That is the way that I feel about working 757's on trans-Atlantic flights. But then I think back to the pre-747 days. All trans-Atlantic flights were flown by 707 or DC-8's....albeit with a lot more room between the rows!
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:58 pm

Quoting timpdx (Reply 35):
Quoting bobnwa (Reply 38):
What was wrong with the flight?

Actually, the 75Vs were among the first to get the most recent cabin refresh including Economy Comfort. I flew on one last year and found it to be about the same as any other Delta 757. In fact, in the back there is a little more room because the configuration is less dense...

People seem to cry about gasper vents but IDK...
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RE: Are DL 739ERs Replacing 757s?

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:46 pm

Quoting timpdx (Reply 35):
Gawd those 757s DL runs to Hawaii are just awful. Will never do that again. AS is so much better wth their 738 equip an can get skymiles anyways with them. No brainer. DL should send those birds to VCV for permanent retirement.

I highly doubt there is a noticeable difference for the average flyer. The fact that it is a 739 vs 752 is not really that much different than the other airlines flying their 738s from California.
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