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Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:13 pm

Just to let everyone know these aircraft will not be reregistered. The DL fleet numbers will start at 9500. The fleet numbers will coincide with the Line numbers not registrations. For instance 5004 which is N949AT will be F/N 9500. F/N 9501 is line number 5005 but registration is N940AT. This part will be a little confusing for spotters.
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Seems a lot like the DC-9 series.
 
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I can't wait to see these baby Boeings flying around the country in DL colors.
 
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Quoting bigbird (Thread starter):

Any word yet on what work will be done in house and what won't on the airframe side? Also where said work will be done?
Unless they move something out of TOCI (ie send some 737 or 757 work to MSP or send the airbus back to MSP) they don't have the space. Not sure they can fit them into bays 5 or 6 (as in work load, the plane with physically fit)
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:36 pm

Maybe they can keep the work in Atlanta by outsourcing the maint to Airtran.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:46 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 3):
Any word yet on what work will be done in house and what won't on the airframe side? Also where said work will be done?

I don't believe any of it is being done in ATL. All at one of the MROs in the Southeast.
 
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Quoting wjcandee (Reply 4):
Maybe they can keep the work in Atlanta by outsourcing the maint to Airtran.

Airtran MX no longer exists.. Southwest MX maintains both fleets
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:57 am

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 1):
Seems a lot like the DC-9 series.

Maybe a sign DL won't be retiring the DC-9's after all...

  
 
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Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 6):
Airtran MX no longer exists.. Southwest MX maintains both fleets

Semantics. Are you saying that they laid off all the Airtran workers? Are you saying that they didn't add the Airtran RON locations to the Southwest network?
 
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On their website, Delta is already showing the B717 & 737-900ER on the list of planes for seat maps, yet they haven't "installed" the seat maps as of yet....
 
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Hey DeltaL1011man. I was hearing the 717 work was going to MSP like the 88-90s. I'll find out more in a few weeks in class. And PEK777 I heard a rumor Last Tuesday that the DC-9-50 retirement has been pushed out as long as fuel stay cheap.   Would be great if that does work out that way  
 
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Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 3):

To clarify my earlier post, if you mean checks after the airplanes have entered the fleet and not the initial work/reconfiguration, I have no idea.
 
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Quoting wjcandee (Reply 8):
Semantics. Are you saying that they laid off all the Airtran workers? Are you saying that they didn't add the Airtran RON locations to the Southwest network?

No all FL mx activites have been merged under southwest mx. there is no seperation between the two. Southwest MX handles mx for WN & FL. (FL AMT's are now WN AMT's)
 
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Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 9):
On their website, Delta is already showing the B717 & 737-900ER on the list of planes for seat maps, yet they haven't "installed" the seat maps as of yet....

In other words, PAGE NOT FOUND.
 
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Training for crews began back in March... Sims and LOFT training are being done in Miami... First flights will be in August/September time frame.
 
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Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 9):
On their website, Delta is already showing the B717 & 737-900ER on the list of planes for seat maps, yet they haven't "installed" the seat maps as of yet....

Correct, the seat maps are completed but not uploaded to the system yet, I wouldn't expect to see that until the fleets get schedules loaded.
 
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Is it possible that many former FL 717 pilots may go on to DL instead of sticking to WN and going to 737 training. I will say that from my point of view, if I had flown a certain airplane for years, and enjoyed said airplane, I would do what it takes to stay on that airplane. I know some pilots prefer to go on to the 737, but as a passenger, I have enjoyed the 717, and I have heard many pilots tell me they prefer it over the 717.
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Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 16):
Is it possible that many former FL 717 pilots may go on to DL instead of sticking to WN and going to 737 training. I will say that from my point of view, if I had flown a certain airplane for years, and enjoyed said airplane, I would do what it takes to stay on that airplane. I know some pilots prefer to go on to the 737, but as a passenger, I have enjoyed the 717, and I have heard many pilots tell me they prefer it over the 717.

The real trick is getting an interview with Delta and not many pilots are going to be willing to give up all their seniority and start at the bottom of the list. It is ALWAYS about seniority!
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Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 16):
Is it possible that many former FL 717 pilots may go on to DL instead of sticking to WN and going to 737 training. I will say that from my point of view, if I had flown a certain airplane for years, and enjoyed said airplane, I would do what it takes to stay on that airplane. I know some pilots prefer to go on to the 737, but as a passenger, I have enjoyed the 717, and I have heard many pilots tell me they prefer it over the 717.

Some might but not for the reason of staying on an airplane. They would be retrained at Delta anyway, and might very well not get the 717.
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:22 pm

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 16):
Is it possible that many former FL 717 pilots may go on to DL instead of sticking to WN and going to 737 training. I will say that from my point of view, if I had flown a certain airplane for years, and enjoyed said airplane, I would do what it takes to stay on that airplane. I know some pilots prefer to go on to the 737, but as a passenger, I have enjoyed the 717, and I have heard many pilots tell me they prefer it over the 717.

I am sure a few considered it. But then they had conversion with their bank accounts and realized flying a red belly was the way to go.
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:51 pm

Kind of ironic that DL is using 95XX for the fleet number considering the B717 started life as the MD-95.

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Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:15 pm

Quoting bigbird (Thread starter):
For instance 5004 which is N949AT

Funny you mentioned that aircraft. I just saw it taxi by here at ATL in fresh Air Tran regular colors...ex Magic bird. The other 2 aircraft that were still left in team colors were Ravens and Brewers but I haven't seen them in at least a month. They might be back to regular Air Tran as well.
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:49 pm

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 19):
I am sure a few considered it. But then they had conversion with their bank accounts and realized flying a red belly was the way to go.

More like had the conversation with the wife...

 
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:01 pm

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 16):
Is it possible that many former FL 717 pilots may go on to DL instead of sticking to WN and going to 737 training. I will say that from my point of view, if I had flown a certain airplane for years, and enjoyed said airplane, I would do what it takes to stay on that airplane. I know some pilots prefer to go on to the 737, but as a passenger, I have enjoyed the 717, and I have heard many pilots tell me they prefer it over the 717.

There are a handful of scabs from the Eastern strike at FL. Rehiring at Delta may be problematic for them. They are still listed on the ALPA scablist.
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Quoting type-rated (Reply 23):
Is it possible that many former FL 717 pilots may go on to DL instead of sticking to WN and going to 737 training. I will say that from my point of view, if I had flown a certain airplane for years, and enjoyed said airplane, I would do what it takes to stay on that airplane. I know some pilots prefer to go on to the 737, but as a passenger, I have enjoyed the 717, and I have heard many pilots tell me they prefer it over the 717.

Has DL indicated that they will take a number of former FL 717 pilots as part of the deal?
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Just got eyes on N932AT...ex Brewers in regular Air Tran colors taxiing to the gate here in ATL. Still on the lookout for Ravens.
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Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:18 pm

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 11):

No I mean PSVs

I assume Delta won't be doing HMVs on them sadly

Quoting n901wa (Reply 10):

Ah roger. We don't know, doesn't make any sense to have the work done in MSP if they are basing them here and DTW but we don't have any room.
But I can't see the airbus or 37 leaving so I guess the checks will have to be done in MSP





Or they could add hangar space in atlanta  (had to try)
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Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 17):
The real trick is getting an interview with Delta and not many pilots are going to be willing to give up all their seniority and start at the bottom of the list. It is ALWAYS about seniority!

It is about seniority followed by potential aircraft upgrade time

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 24):
Has DL indicated that they will take a number of former FL 717 pilots as part of the deal?

Delta has not indicated anything regarding FL pilots and is currently not hiring any pilots
 
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Quoting bobnwa (Reply 27):

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 24):
Has DL indicated that they will take a number of former FL 717 pilots as part of the deal?

Delta has not indicated anything regarding FL pilots and is currently not hiring any pilots

Besides, wouldn't the 717s most likely be flown by pilots who will be leaving the DC-9 once that fleet is retired?
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Eyes on N946AT, ex Ravens, now in regular Air Tran colors. All of the Air Tran special team colors jets are back to regular Air Tran paint scheme.
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Quoting type-rated (Reply 23):
There are a handful of scabs from the Eastern strike at FL. Rehiring at Delta may be problematic for them. They are still listed on the ALPA scablist.

Why would Delta care? Equal opportunity...
 
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Quoting SSTeve (Reply 30):
Why would Delta care? Equal opportunity...

The airline doesn't care (and legally can't disqualify someone because they were a "scab"). Some fellow pilots might dislike them greatly, however....
 
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Quoting chrisair (Reply 31):
Quoting SSTeve (Reply 30):
Why would Delta care? Equal opportunity...

The airline doesn't care (and legally can't disqualify someone because they were a "scab"). Some fellow pilots might dislike them greatly, however....

They could have a hard time passing some of their check flights.   
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Lol red bellies..they could only wish they were flying for an intl airline like DL. Whoops..can't fly in BE for free..  
 
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I seriously doubt that anyone is going to give up their seniority at FL in order to go back on reserve and have a chance of flying the 717 at DL (if their seniority permits it). Not gonna happen.
 
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Quoting SSTeve (Reply 30):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 23):There are a handful of scabs from the Eastern strike at FL. Rehiring at Delta may be problematic for them. They are still listed on the ALPA scablist.
Why would Delta care? Equal opportunity...

Being labeled as a scab at any airline is a professional death sentence whether you are a pilot, flight attendant or ground staff. It follows you wherever you go. Stickers mysteriously appear in crew areas of the aircraft with names on it. Check rides are failed. No one wants to eat with you on your layover. No one will speak to you unless it is in direct connection with doing the job.

I have seen people resign after being hit with the label "scab." While management will say they don't care, they certainly do not want the disruption they cause. So if you have two candidates and on job you will hire the non-scab just to keep the peace.

Airline pilots are consummate professionals but they also take pride in their unity. Put your own interests ahead of the group and you are out in the cold.

Besides---it is a moot point as DL is not hiring pilots at the moment. As the 739's and 717's come online there will be a lot of rebidding for seats and bases -- it is a constant reshuffling of the deck.
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Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 36):
Airline pilots are consummate professionals but they also take pride in their unity.

Consummate professionals don't practice harassment - period.
 
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Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 19):
I am sure a few considered it. But then they had conversion with their bank accounts and realized flying a red belly was the way to go
Quoting HOmSaR (Reply 28):
Besides, wouldn't the 717s most likely be flown by pilots who will be leaving the DC-9 once that fleet is retired?

I have wondered who would be the likely candidate to fly the 717s for DL. I thought the same things, transfers from FL, DC-9-50 pilots as DL retires the 9s, or ???. Anyone with insight have something to say on the topic? Will the typical 717 pilot be certified to fly other types?
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Quoting comairguycvg (Reply 29):
Eyes on N946AT, ex Ravens, now in regular Air Tran colors. All of the Air Tran special team colors jets are back to regular Air Tran paint scheme.

Glad i 'got' them when I did .
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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 39):
I have wondered who would be the likely candidate to fly the 717s for DL. I thought the same things, transfers from FL, DC-9-50 pilots as DL retires the 9s, or ???. Anyone with insight have something to say on the topic? Will the typical 717 pilot be certified to fly other types?

Zero transfers. Pilots rarely change airlines just to follow a type, unless there is no job when a type leaves an airline. I would think many of the DC9 crew would bid the 717 IF the DC9 is really retired in Jan. The bases will be the same and the typical trip will be similar. Those are the two biggest factors on who bids what. How close is the base to where I want to live and do the trips work into my life? Others are very reluctant to switch aircraft. It is a lot of work to learn a new type.
The 717 might also be the entry into the left seat for many that have been FO on other aircraft. So yes many will be certified to fly other types, but will only fly the type they are holding a bid on.
 
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Who really is the one thinking only of themselves, the "scab" or the "professional"? When one employee group strikes all other employee groups suffer. Hardly altruistic if you ask me and quite hypocritical.

Im glad to see that all of the "logo jets" are back in standard paint. No objection to the concept but FL had horrible taste in the teams they chose to promote.

I cant wait to see the 717 in DL service. My market is likely to see quite a few and and its one of my favorite aircraft. A huge improvement over every model of the CRJ.
 
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Some of the scab workers hired on at EA during the strike as they thought it would be a good way to get their foot in the door.
They later found out that it hurt them more than they could imagine. Is Airtran an ALPA carrier?

I wonder what the average cycles/hours are on these 717's?
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Quoting dalmd88 (Reply 41):
Zero transfers. Pilots rarely change airlines just to follow a type, unless there is no job when a type leaves an airline. I would think many of the DC9 crew would bid the 717 IF the DC9 is really retired in Jan. The bases will be the same and the typical trip will be similar. Those are the two biggest factors on who bids what. How close is the base to where I want to live and do the trips work into my life? Others are very reluctant to switch aircraft. It is a lot of work to learn a new type.
The 717 might also be the entry into the left seat for many that have been FO on other aircraft. So yes many will be certified to fly other types, but will only fly the type they are holding a bid on.

Right now there are less than 20 DC-9-50s left, and ATL will be the final base left here once they close the DTW DC9 pilot base.

By early 2014 there will more 717s in the fleet than there are DC9s currently in the fleet so they were be pilots moving over to fly the 717s from other fleet types.
 
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Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 24):
Has DL indicated that they will take a number of former FL 717 pilots as part of the deal?

No pilots from FL, right now all the 717 flying will be coming from the current pilot pool.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 39):
I have wondered who would be the likely candidate to fly the 717s for DL. I thought the same things, transfers from FL, DC-9-50 pilots as DL retires the 9s, or ???. Anyone with insight have something to say on the topic? Will the typical 717 pilot be certified to fly other types?

717 will be its own group.
 
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Very few of the DC9 drivers will be going to the 717. The 717 bid went quite senior and the -9 displacements are moving fleet wide. It's not a "hop over to a similar airplane" kind of thing. It was all rebid/displacements as needed.
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:56 pm

Quoting B727FA (Reply 46):
..bid went quite senior


Why would a pilot bid down to to the lowest pay scale airplane?
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:11 pm

Quoting SELMER40 (Reply 47):
Why would a pilot bid down to to the lowest pay scale airplane?

There's a variety of reasons - right seat to left seat, domicile preference, bid line availability, etc.

A capt on a 717 is going to be making significantly more than he would in the right seat of a 757, for example. Even more so if he's now domiciled out of MSP or ATL instead of NYC, when you factor in COL.

I'm not sure how accurate this is, but there isn't much difference in hourly rate between the various DL narrowbodies and I doubt you're going to have many stepping down from an international widebody gig into the 717.

http://www.aviationinterviews.com/pilot/airlinepayrates.html

[Edited 2013-06-16 11:13:07]
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At Delta inflight, we are being told Delta is taking delivery in August and EIS for October.
 
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Quoting type-rated (Reply 35):
Successive interviews with airlines have resulted in abbreviated interviews to outright accusations of trying to sabotage the union.
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 39):
I have wondered who would be the likely candidate to fly the 717s for DL. I thought the same things, transfers from FL, DC-9-50 pilots as DL retires the 9s, or ???. Anyone with insight have something to say on the topic? Will the typical 717 pilot be certified to fly other types?

Like all the other aircraft,the 717 pilots will bid based solely on senority.
 
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Quoting cokepopper (Reply 49):
At Delta inflight, we are being told Delta is taking delivery in August and EIS for October.

When do you think they will hit the schedule?

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