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I wonder how serious Qatar Airways's A330 order will be? They will already be recieving 5 or so more 787s this year and more 787s and A350s next year.
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:52 am

Don't know. According to some media, the order was a "done deal" but maybe it was just speculation. Let's find out in the coming days  

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
They will already be recieving 5 or so more 787s this year and more 787s and A350s next year.

I understood it is not enough for Mr Baker. He would love to double the delivery numbers.

[Edited 2013-06-16 04:53:21]
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:09 pm

Airbus will announce an order for at least 10 A380 aircraft:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...der-over-4-billion-from-doric.html

[Edited 2013-06-16 12:27:36]
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:13 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):

Airbus will announce an order for 10 A380 aircraft

I believe these will be for Royal Jordanian!   


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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):

Airbus will announce an order for 10 A380 aircraft:

Excellent! Thanks for the prelude.
 
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:46 pm

ILFC supposed to announce order for 50 additional A320NEO's

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ilfc-p...ace-5-billion-order-192409097.html

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Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:38 pm

Anyone have any idea who these Doric Asset Finance Ltd A380s will go to? I am guessing not EK & SQ who finance their A380s through.
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:57 pm

Doric owns almost 20 A380s. Majority leased to EK and a few to SQ.

However unlike traditional lessors that buys planes and has the commercial risk to find homes for them, Doric focuses on more simply the financial transaction and things like immediate sale and leaseback with airlines. They are more a broader asset management company as they also do other things including real estate investments and involvement in the energy sector.

Anyhow, its almost certain the deal here is for aircraft that already have a home, so the order might be for someone like EK exercising their 380 options under Doric's name.
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:14 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
Anyhow, its almost certain the deal here is for aircraft that already have a home, so the order might be for someone like EK exercising their 380 options under Doric's name.

Maybe, but Tim Clark would prefer to announce the order by himself?
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):
Airbus will announce an order for at least 10 A380 aircraft:

The top of order we have been waiting from BA?
 
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Quoting BA0197 (Reply 10):
The top of order we have been waiting from BA?

I'm thinking a top-up from QR. They appear to plan a buying binge at PAS per media reports.
 
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):
Airbus will announce an order for at least 10 A380 aircraft:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0....html

Could the announcement be that of a NEW A380 operator?

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Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:17 am

Here is an interview with Doric founder Mark Lapidus, dating from April 2011. In this interview, he is very bullish on the A380.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...der-mark-lapidus-talks-a380s-49016

Some interesting quotes:

"We like the A380 as an investment, but many people still do not get it and we are happy if it remains that way."

"if the fuel price keeps on rising, more fuel efficient aircraft will become significantly more valuable, and the A380 leads the way here."

"we told Airbus that we are interested in ILFC’s A380 positions and would be pleased to hear back, even if at the back of the queue in 2016 or 2017 because I am certain it is not long before new A380 orders will start piling up."

On BA's A380 order:

"Today they have about 50 747-400s. With the industry’s growth in mind, they will need at least 50 A380s, 19 is a joke, especially as the third runway at Heathrow is a known myth. And if you take into account the planned savings from the economies of scale with Iberia and the amazing growth Brazil is leading in South America, IAG should be probably looking at 70 A380s."
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:22 am

Maybe an announcement from JetBlue about either A330's or A350's or 787's since Barger mentioned last year in China the company is looking at these a/c types for future long haul service to South America.
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:27 am

And another interview with Lapidus:

http://www.doric.com/fileadmin/Doric...apply_DNA_template_beyond_A380.pdf

Quotes:

"We believe the A380 is still undiscovered by many airlines and we see plenty of routes where the A380 will offer unbeatable economics to new operators who have not yet ordered it."

"And Lapidus is very bullish on the prospects of the A380 as an investment asset, stating that the A380 will probably have the longest life span of any other aircraft in the market today."
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:09 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
Anyhow, its almost certain the deal here is for aircraft that already have a home, so the order might be for someone like EK exercising their 380 options under Doric's name.

The article does mention all-Y main deck, which fits EK. Although, I do find it odd that they mentioned this at all. You'd think new carriers would leave configuration info until later. While, at the same time, it seems odd to focus on that of all things, if the order was for EK.

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I know this thread isn't for rumors but I had an insider say that a Japanese LCC is expected to order a number of Airbus A320s. I think it's an expansion effort by Peach.
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:24 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):
Airbus will announce an order for at least 10 A380 aircraft:
Quoting BA0197 (Reply 10):
The top of order we have been waiting from BA?
Quoting BA0197 (Reply 10):
I'm thinking a top-up from QR. They appear to plan a buying binge at PAS per media reports.

I hope for a new operator. But that is the enthusiast in me. I claim no insight into the A380 sales at Paris this year.


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Quoting CXfirst (Reply 16):
The article does mention all-Y main deck, which fits EK. Although, I do find it odd that they mentioned this at all. You'd think new carriers would leave configuration info until later. While, at the same time, it seems odd to focus on that of all things, if the order was for EK.

If the configuration is one of the most important details for the finance company, that would be the reason for it being mentioned. It means they believe this will help give a better long time value to their investment.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:31 am

Apparently the order is from a leasing firm:-

"Airbus SAS is set to win an order for more than 10 A380 double-decker airliners valued at more than $4 billion from lessor Doric Asset Finance Ltd., people familiar with the transaction said.

Doric is scheduled to announce the deal as early as today as the 50th Paris Air Show begins, said one of the people, who asked not to be identified because the negotiations are private. The London-based company plans to outfit the superjumbo with all-economy seats on the lower deck, the person said."


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...der-over-4-billion-from-doric.html
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:40 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 20):
Apparently the order is from a leasing firm:-

This was mentioned somewhat up-thread..

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):
Airbus Said to Win A380 Order Over $4B From Doric Asset
Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 7):
Anyone have any idea who these Doric Asset Finance Ltd A380s will go to?
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
Doric owns almost 20 A380s. Majority leased to EK and a few to SQ.
Quoting Scipio (Reply 15):
And another interview with Lapidus:

The latter two are well worth a read  

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Hi, astuteman. I was answering lightsaber above  :-

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 18):
I hope for a new operator.
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:28 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 20):
an order for more than 10 A380

So, like, 11?  

Sorry, but I just have never liked the "more than..." comment that journalists use.

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Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:42 am

There will be Airbus announcements at

10:00
11:00
12:00

Local time

[Edited 2013-06-16 23:43:14]
 
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Quoting planesntrains (Reply 23):
Sorry, but I just have never liked the "more than..." comment that journalists use.

"more than" usually means firm + options.
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Quoting starbucks (Reply 24):

There will be Airbus announcements at

10:00
11:00
12:00

Local time

So first one in ten mins - wonder if they'll start slowly or go straight in with the big multi billion E order?
 
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Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 26):
So first one in ten mins - wonder if they'll start slowly or go straight in with the big multi billion E order?

Yes, live feed at: http://event.airbus.com/airshows/bourget2013/home.html

at the moment it says "Live webcast coming soon..." and "Stay with us, next announcement at 10:00am Paris local time (08:00am UTC)
 
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It's past 10am and still no live steam available. Is there another url?
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 28):

It's past 10am and still no live steam available. Is there another url?

NOt that I know of....

The Next announcement at: 10:00 has disappeared as well..  
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:11 am

> ILFC ordering 50 more #A320neo, taking total to 150 #PAS13

http://twitter.com/Airbus/status/346540611068903424
http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/346540129474727936

[Edited 2013-06-17 01:12:17]
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Airbus expects A380 order revival, as airlines seek to capture traffic growth...

>> But the spark needed to reignite sales will be "a mindset change", he [Airbus's senior vice-president marketing, Chris Emerson] says. "It's not the last half decade where airlines were fearful they wouldn't find the passengers to fill the aircraft, now it is 'if we build it, they will come' - you have to have the seats out there."

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-a380-order-revival-airbus-387173/
 
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There is a livestream right know but unfortunately without audio  
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:12 am

Quoting starbucks (Reply 29):

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 28):

It's past 10am and still no live steam available. Is there another url?

NOt that I know of....

The Next announcement at: 10:00 has disappeared as well..  

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I've pictures but no sound.........
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:16 am

is that 10.00 announcement about the ILFC order?
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:19 am

Where do you get the "pictures but no sound" livestream? I still have the "Live Webcast Coming Soon" at
"event.airbus.com/airshows/bourget2013/" ?
 
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Quoting macc (Reply 35):
is that 10.00 announcement about the ILFC order?

So far, yes.
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Reuters reports that Airbus will announce order(s) for 20 A380.

17-Jun-2013 15:57 - LEAHY - AIRBUS EAD.PA WIRD AUF PARISER LUFTFAHRTSCHAU 20 BESTELLUNGEN FÜR A380 BEKANNTGEBEN
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A lot of hot air as usual?!!!   a bit disapointing...
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:37 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 30):
ILFC ordering 50 more #A320neo, taking total to 150 #PAS13

And here is the press release:

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...s-50-more-a320neo-family-aircraft/

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1371446758_A320neo_ILFC.jpg
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Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 38):
Reuters reports that Airbus will announce order(s) for 20 A380.

17-Jun-2013 15:57 - LEAHY - AIRBUS EAD.PA WIRD AUF PARISER LUFTFAHRTSCHAU 20 BESTELLUNGEN FÜR A380 BEKANNTGEBEN

Somehow, everytime an A380 order is in the air, there is always a little sprankle of hope in me that visions a big blue KLM A380..... But then the rational me kicks again.....
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:41 am

Quoting Luxair (Reply 39):
a bit disapointing...

There was a time that ordering 50 aircraft was impressive  
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:48 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 42):
There was a time that ordering 50 aircraft was impressive

Yeah, that was before the crazy 200 or so mega orders of AirAsia, Lionair and the like. *sigh*
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Quoting neutrino (Reply 43):

Yeah, that was before the crazy 200 or so mega orders of AirAsia, Lionair and the like.

Take it easy. Those mega-orders are still exception, not the rule.
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:04 am

Here we go:

> Large Doric A380 model on front desk at #PAS13 is probably a clue to what's about to transpire...
> Doric Lease Corp to order 20 #Airbus #A380 aircraft
> Doric order is for 20 A380s

http://twitter.com/Airbus/status/346553750871232512
http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/346553818487615488

[Edited 2013-06-17 02:05:32]
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 45):
Doric Lease Corp to order 20 #Airbus #A380 aircraft. #PAS13

Boom!

We'll have to see who the customer(s) are as they are a LeaseCo who don't tend to order speculatively.
 
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So is the live feed working for anyone?   

"To order 20 A380", so this is an LoI/MoU? And is it 20 or "up to 20"?

[Edited 2013-06-17 02:09:20]
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Quoting scbriml (Reply 47):
So is the live feed working for anyone?  

Negative..  
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:09 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 45):
Doric order is for 20 A380s

So 5 frames shy from this years target!  

Anybody any idea for which carrier these wil be be?
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