moderators
Crew
Posts: 326
Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:33 am

Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:06 am

The much awaited 2013 Paris Air Show is upon us and we have decided it would be appropriate to run two main threads on the major LOI / MOU / Order announcements.
 This thread is for Boeing announcements.



Additionally, we realise that many Military Contracts may be announced. We ask that those be posted for discussion in our Military Aviation & Space Forum. 

Though we understand there will be split orders, having the official threads should make it a lot easier to track orders for each OEM and make for a good reference for the future of the site.

In relation to Regional and other orders such as ATR, Bombardier, Embraer, Sukhoi, Mitsubishi and COMAC etc or any major new developments of new frames or further news of R&D in existing projects please feel free to go ahead and post a thread as normal, or in an existing thread.

Please use moderators@airliners.net to contact us.
 
PHX787
Posts: 7877
Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:46 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:07 pm

Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent (by KarelXWB Jun 13 2013 in Civil Aviation)
As announced here, Boeing is going to launch the 7810 at PAS. UA, BA, SQ, and Air Lease Corp are launch partners.

The main question is who are Air Lease frames goin to be flying for?

In terms of BA, Reuters says they're going to be placing a prelim order for 10 of the 787-10s.
$2.5 billion price tag. Dang son.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...87-10s-order-idUSL5N0ES0DM20130616
Follow me on twitter: www.twitter.com/phx787
 
tkukucka
Posts: 79
Joined: Wed May 01, 2013 12:09 am

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:35 am

 
User avatar
rotating14
Posts: 1103
Joined: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:54 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:41 am

Boeing is being reported as accumulating at least 100 orders for the -10 for a total of $30 Billion. If this does not include SQ, then I believe its the 10 options for BA, 30 options for QR, and ___ for UA.

My other guesses are Eva Air, and option conversions from AC.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...w-dreamliner-idUSL5N0ES0LG20130616
 
tortugamon
Posts: 6674
Joined: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:14 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:09 am

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 3):

It does not say 'at least' 30 orders it says 'up to'. ALC is assumed to be one of the customers and QR specifically said they will not be the launch customer. Though they could be a follow up customer.

tortugamon
 
JAAlbert
Posts: 1549
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:43 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:01 am

I love that CEO from Qatar airlines: "We are extremely disappointed with Boeing and quite unhappy over the 787, so we will likely firm up our orders for 30 more 787s in the near future." Speaking out of both sides of one's mouth is an art, and this guy is a master!
 
User avatar
lightsaber
Crew
Posts: 11737
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:55 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:27 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 5):
I love that CEO from Qatar airlines: "We are extremely disappointed with Boeing and quite unhappy over the 787, so we will likely firm up our orders for 30 more 787s in the near future." Speaking out of both sides of one's mouth is an art, and this guy is a master!

Normally I would agree AAB has the ability to speak out of both sides of the mouth... this comes across as crass negotiation. Maybe it worked this time, but next?!?

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 3):
Boeing is being reported as accumulating at least 100 orders for the -10

I'm hearing rumors of 'more than a hundred.' Let's see as my sources, when they share this late, are not always the best indicator. (They're much better with longer lead times and the ability to 'relax and filter the information.')

Lightsaber
"They did not know it was impossible, so they did it!" - Mark Twain
 
flood
Posts: 1045
Joined: Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:05 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:20 am

 
PM
Posts: 4820
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:05 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:43 am

Quoting flood (Reply 7):
Gecas to order ten Boeing 787-10 jets -sources
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...30617

Boeing to launch the -10 on Tuesday? Interesting.

Oh well, at least a few -10s will have GEnxs...     
 
tortugamon
Posts: 6674
Joined: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:14 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:55 am

Quoting flood (Reply 7):

Similar to the IAG order, I am surprised this is for only 10 units.

tortugamon
 
flood
Posts: 1045
Joined: Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:05 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:11 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 9):
Similar to the IAG order, I am surprised this is for only 10 units.

If I'm not mistaken, the recent media reports on IAG's planned order for 10 frames was merely in reference to the 787-10. That doesn't exclude an additional 8 787-9s for 18 total.
 
tortugamon
Posts: 6674
Joined: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:14 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:17 am

Quoting flood (Reply 10):

I believe that to be correct. I just feel that only 10 frames from such large entities (IAG, GECAS) appears uncharacteristically small.

tortugamon
 
Someone83
Posts: 2899
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:47 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:28 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 11):
I just feel that only 10 frames from such large entities (IAG, GECAS) appears uncharacteristically small.

It will be larger than their (BA's) first 77W order.......
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19486
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:57 am

Orders for today to be announced at

> 10:30
> 11:15
> 12:00

[Edited 2013-06-17 00:57:52]
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
macc
Posts: 893
Joined: Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:11 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:15 am

no ones here updating this thread?

TUI FLY commits for 60 MAX

We celebrate with @tui_travel as they commit to 60 737 MAX airplanes-- with options for 60 more. #PAS13 #Boeing pic.twitter.com/MSmrlgIfKJ
I exchanged political frustration with sexual boredom. better spoil a girl than the world
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19486
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:18 am

Quoting macc (Reply 14):
TUI FLY commits for 60 MAX

That is old news, it was reported a few weeks ago.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2686

[Edited 2013-06-17 01:18:30]
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19486
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:38 am

> Skymark orders @BoeingAirplanes 737 Max
> We're excited to announce that Skymark Airlines intends to renew its fleet with the #Boeing 737 MAX
> Skymark CEO says firm order for 4 @BoeingAirplanes 737 Maxs. Boeing says still in negotiations on final number

http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/346548369117810688

[Edited 2013-06-17 01:50:49]
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
flood
Posts: 1045
Joined: Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:05 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:00 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 16):
Skymark CEO says firm order for 4 @BoeingAirplanes 737 Maxs. Boeing says still in negotiations on final number.

Doesn't appear to be a firm order according to Boeing's release:

LE BOURGET, France, June 17, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Tokyo-based Skymark Airlines (Skymark) today announced the airline's intent to select the Boeing 737 MAX as its next generation single aisle aircraft of choice, making it Japan's first airline to do so. The announcement came on the first day of the 2013 Paris Air Show. Boeing will work closely with Skymark to finalize a firm order in the coming months.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2703

"intent to select" doesn't really even sound like a commitment at this point.

[Edited 2013-06-17 02:11:49]
 
macc
Posts: 893
Joined: Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:11 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:17 am

4 planes? Must have been a typo.
I exchanged political frustration with sexual boredom. better spoil a girl than the world
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19486
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:18 am

> GECAS orders 10 787-10x orders starting delivery in 2019.
> GECAS has ordered 10 787-10X to be powered by GEnx, deliveries 2019 to 2021

http://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status/346557245116530688
http://twitter.com/ghimlay/status/346557293929852928



[Edited 2013-06-17 02:22:01]
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
PM
Posts: 4820
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:05 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:24 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):
> GECAS orders 10 787-10x orders starting delivery in 2019.

That's a good looking plane!
 
User avatar
scbriml
Posts: 13237
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2003 10:37 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:24 am

Congrats to Boeing on their first order for a new model.   

I'm surprised they selected GEnx though.     
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana!
 
PHX787
Posts: 7877
Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:46 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:29 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 16):
> Skymark orders @BoeingAirplanes 737 Max

Expected, and perhaps the order that was rumored through my particular friend.

I think that number will go up eventually.
Follow me on twitter: www.twitter.com/phx787
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19486
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:32 am

And here is the press release:

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2704

It's a commitment and will be firmed once the aircraft is launched.

[Edited 2013-06-17 02:32:53]
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19486
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:02 am

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
User avatar
scbriml
Posts: 13237
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2003 10:37 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:07 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
Qatars orders 9 777-300ER aircraft.

Looks like a mix of firm and commitments.

Confirmed by Boeing - 2 firm & 7 options.

[Edited 2013-06-17 03:12:16]
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana!
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19486
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:12 am

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
User avatar
scbriml
Posts: 13237
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2003 10:37 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:33 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 15):
That is old news, it was reported a few weeks ago.

Yes, but is it now firm?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana!
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19486
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:37 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 27):
Yes, but is it now firm?

It doesn't look like it:

http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/346546141984346112

There is also no press release on the Boeing website.

[Edited 2013-06-17 03:37:55]
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
PM
Posts: 4820
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:05 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:01 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
Qatars orders 9 777-300ER aircraft.
Quoting scbriml (Reply 25):
Confirmed by Boeing - 2 firm & 7 options.

The two firm have previously been announced as 'unidentified':

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2705
 
MadameConcorde
Posts: 9197
Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:08 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:09 am

There are two Dreamliners at Le Bourget. The Air India 787 is being used for the flying displays The Qatar Airways is there for the static presentation for Boeing guests to visit and for all to admire.

I will find out more tomorrow when I am there. I hope Boeing will get many new orders for this really awesome aircraft.

     
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
 
User avatar
scbriml
Posts: 13237
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2003 10:37 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:13 am

Quoting PM (Reply 29):
The two firm have previously been announced as 'unidentified':

Oh, that's a bit boring. So no new orders added by Boeing yet.  
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana!
 
chiad
Posts: 982
Joined: Tue May 16, 2006 4:24 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:13 am

Quoting PM (Reply 29):

Anyone know exactly how many firm orders Boeing got on the first day?
 
MadameConcorde
Posts: 9197
Joined: Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:08 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:18 am

Quoting chiad (Reply 32):
Anyone know exactly how many firm orders Boeing got on the first day?

It is slightly past 1.00 PM right now. There is still the whole afternoon to go. We may find out more after closing time when the business day is over.

  
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
 
eclipz
Posts: 87
Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:04 am

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:21 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 33):
It is slightly past 1.00 PM right now. There is still the whole afternoon to go. We may find out more after closing time when the business day is over.


Doesn't look like we'll have anything this afternon

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 13):

Orders for today to be announced at

> 10:30
> 11:15
> 12:00
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19486
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:21 am

Quoting chiad (Reply 32):
Anyone know exactly how many firm orders Boeing got on the first day?

This is what I have:

> Skymark: MoU for at least 4 737 Max
> Gecas: MoU for 10 787-10
> Qatar: identified as the UFO behind the order for 2 77W + 7 options

Not sure about that TUI order.

[Edited 2013-06-17 04:32:01]
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
flood
Posts: 1045
Joined: Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:05 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:28 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):
Not sure about that TUI order.

Seemed like a recycled announcement, the order doesn't appear to have been firmed yet.
 
User avatar
scbriml
Posts: 13237
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2003 10:37 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:28 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):
> Qatar: firm for 2 77W + 7 optionst

But the QR firm order for two had previously been booked by Boeing as a UFO, so no new firm orders today. There's always tomorrow...
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana!
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19486
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:30 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 37):
But the QR firm order for two had previously been booked by Boeing as a UFO, so no new firm orders today.

You are right, it's not a new booking. I'll update my post.
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
User avatar
scbriml
Posts: 13237
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2003 10:37 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:42 am

Given that the GECAS commitment for 787-10s is "subject to the 787-10 program launch", does that mean, contrary to expectation, the launch won't actually be announced at Paris?  
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana!
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19486
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:49 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 39):
the launch won't actually be announced at Paris?

Yesterday there was a rumor about an announcement tomorrow but today, Boeing said "maybe later this week".
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
User avatar
EPA001
Posts: 3782
Joined: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:13 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:02 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 20):
That's a good looking plane!

Yes, she is.  .

Quoting scbriml (Reply 21):
Congrats to Boeing on their first order for a new model.   

Those are most certainly in place.   .

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
Qatars orders 9 777-300ER aircraft.

Not a real surprise I guess, but still 9 big ones count.  .

Quoting scbriml (Reply 31):
Oh, that's a bit boring. So no new orders added by Boeing yet.  

Well, they are not undisclosed anymore.  .
 
User avatar
garpd
Posts: 2308
Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:29 am

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:18 pm

No one should expect big order announcements from Boeing at this air show. They have never had the tradition of saving up announcements for air shows like Airbus do and I see no reason they would start to do so. I know some of their customers might prefer to do so (Qatar comes to mind), which will account for some announcements, but Boeing generally announce orders whenever they are booked.
arpdesign.wordpress.com
 
PHX787
Posts: 7877
Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:46 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:38 pm

Quoting garpd (Reply 42):
No one should expect big order announcements from Boeing at this air show.

This is the thing.

Those gigantic orders we have seen for the NEO and the MAX in the last few years were simply because of the launch of those aircraft and the projected replacement times for the current operators' fleets coincided perfectly. We won't see much Boeing this year because there really isn't anything special that has happened in the last year ----except of course, the horrible battery issues.
Follow me on twitter: www.twitter.com/phx787
 
User avatar
KarelXWB
Crew
Posts: 19486
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:13 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:42 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 43):
We won't see much Boeing this year because there really isn't anything special that has happened in the last year

Well, there is the 787-10 of course.
Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
 
PHX787
Posts: 7877
Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:46 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:47 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Well, there is the 787-10 of course.

True but that's a launch. We already had one launch customer announce a mere 10 frames. Sure it's important and big but what else should we expect? UA isn't going to replace its entire 744 fleet with this.
Follow me on twitter: www.twitter.com/phx787
 
tortugamon
Posts: 6674
Joined: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:14 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:10 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 45):
UA isn't going to replace its entire 744 fleet with this.

True. But as far as I see it they have been rumored for about 100 orders for the launch and now that is two orders of 10 frames so I am really expecting at least one 30+ order for the 787-10 (other than SQ) or two-25 unit orders from ALC & UA. Those would be some big announcements to come. At this point I think it will be a large order from UA as they appear to have moved all of their A359s to A351s and they have a very large number of 777s.

>SW 30
>BA 10
>GECAS 10
>ALC ?
>UA ?

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):

Good looking aircraft but it does make me kinda glad they are stretching it 5.5m instead of 6m. That looks borderline long relative to the wing to me. Somebody get your tape measure out and do the math, are those 60m or 63m wings!  

tortugamon
 
rj777
Posts: 1548
Joined: Sat Dec 02, 2000 1:47 am

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:16 pm

Is it just me, or does the 787-10 look like a 757 from that angle?
 
Rdh3e
Posts: 2731
Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:09 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:39 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 45):
True but that's a launch. We already had one launch customer announce a mere 10 frames. Sure it's important and big but what else should we expect? UA isn't going to replace its entire 744 fleet with this.

What about it's 772's? If you're looking at 2019 and later, that's a real possibility.
 
airlinebuilder
Posts: 202
Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:37 pm

RE: Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders

Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:02 pm

Boeing has never been a star player on air shows, that has been a trend, the same way boeing has not been really making waves on sales except for the salvaging of whats left of the B737 till kingdom come.

As much as I would like to see Boeing making a whole lot of headlines, it seem that commercially meaning sales pitching, Airbus has garnered all the expertise on that department. They can make the A380 look as if it is the most practical of all aircrafts ever made, and what do you know, airlines and leasing firms are buying it.......

I hope Boeing can at least garner some B748i orders from airlines

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: admdavid, Bing [Bot], BrianDromey, EA CO AS, Google Adsense [Bot], hayzel777, hOMSaR, ikolkyo, Jamake1, kgaiflyer, legacyins, lewis, MIflyer12, mk2, mke717spotter, nikeson13, sfuk, Sightseer, ss278, Thunderboltdrgn, twaconnie, winginit, winGl3t and 362 guests