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Pan Am 727s In Asia

Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:49 am

I bumped into this video on youtube of a Pan Am 727 at Osaka's old Itami airport. I was unaware that Pan Am had 727s based out of what must have been its Tokyo hub. This video is pre-1986 as this is the year when Pan Am sold its Asian network to United. While a Pan Am 727 would have been a quite normal sight in Europe with Pan Am's big hubs in Frankfurt and its smaller hub in London, this must have been a rarity in Asia. Anyone have an idea where these 727s flew too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYk1INjzdKQ
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RE: Pan Am 727s In Asia

Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:59 am

Depends what time period we want to speak about, but there was for a period daily OSA-NRT operated by the 727.

727s also did OSA-SEL as continuation of the NRT-OSA leg and also showed up in Manila and Taipei during a period.

PA also had A300s based in Asia towards the end of its Pacific network.
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RE: Pan Am 727s In Asia

Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:06 am

Interesting, I assume 5th freedom rights were available fore the OSA-SEL sectors.
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RE: Pan Am 727s In Asia

Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:48 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
727s also did OSA-SEL as continuation of the NRT-OSA leg and also showed up in Manila and Taipei during a period.

PA also had A300s based in Asia towards the end of its Pacific network.

Wow I never knew that. What did the schedules look like? Was there a pilot TDY base in Tokyo? Or Osaka? What was the reasoning behind this? I am guessing that at some point they thought they couldn't profitably serve OSA with a non-stop to the US?
 
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RE: Pan Am 727s In Asia

Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:22 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
PA also had A300s based in Asia towards the end of its Pacific network.

If so, that was for a very short time since they received their first Airbus only four month before the Pacific Division sale was announced.
 
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RE: Pan Am 727s In Asia

Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:32 pm

Quoting TW870 (Reply 3):
Was there a pilot TDY base in Tokyo? Or Osaka? What was the reasoning behind this?

It was a NRT TDY.

Quoting TW870 (Reply 3):
I am guessing that at some point they thought they couldn't profitably serve OSA with a non-stop to the US?

I think they wanted to link Osaka to the NRT hub (and its beyond connection opportunities) and it would have been a terrible waste to run a 747.

Regarding other Osaka flights, in the past they had both a Honolulu flight (up to daily), and a LAX nonstop also (2-3x weekly)

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 4):
If so, that was for a very short time since they received their first Airbus only four month before the Pacific Division sale was announced.

The first A300 showed up in December 1984, while Pacific division transfer occurred in February 2006.

Yes it was a pretty short period, but they still managed to make it to Asia.
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RE: Pan Am 727s In Asia

Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:36 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
while Pacific division transfer occurred in February 2006.

If only...  
 
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RE: Pan Am 727s In Asia

Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:37 pm

Ha ha 1986...

  
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RE: Pan Am 727s In Asia

Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:04 pm

Here's some interesting info. about Pan Am's charter service during the Vietnam War.

Boeing 727s flew the Vietnam rest and relaxation airlift, carrying thousands of American servicemen for rest and relaxation leaves in Hong Kong, Tokyo, and other Asian destinations.

Pan Am’s 727s departing Saigon took off at maximum climb to avoid small arm fire. But bullet holes were found in multiple aircraft.


http://www.panamair.org/History/wars.htm

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RE: Pan Am 727s In Asia

Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:17 pm

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 8):
charter service during the Vietnam War.

Not intending to hi-jack this thread, but wasn't World Airways also flying charters with 727's then, Was it not them who made the last evacuationflights from Saigon?
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RE: Pan Am 727s In Asia

Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:21 pm

Quoting KL5147 (Reply 9):
Not intending to hi-jack this thread, but wasn't World Airways also flying charters with 727's then, Was it not them who made the last evacuationflights from Saigon?

Yep but the last flight was from Da Nang.
 
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RE: Pan Am 727s In Asia

Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:55 pm

Quoting KL5147 (Reply 9):
Not intending to hi-jack this thread, but wasn't World Airways also flying charters with 727's then, Was it not them who made the last evacuationflights from Saigon?
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 10):
Yep but the last flight was from Da Nang.

The last flight out was on a World 727, that was very overloaded and damaged so the flaps wouldn't retract, nor would the landing gear. There is a great account of it in David Butler's "Fall of Saigon".

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 8):
Boeing 727s flew the Vietnam rest and relaxation airlift, carrying thousands of American servicemen for rest and relaxation leaves in Hong Kong, Tokyo, and other Asian destinations.

My dad flew in and out of Vietnam on PA charters during the war.
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RE: Pan Am 727s In Asia

Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:11 pm

Quoting falstaff (Reply 11):
The last flight out was on a World 727, that was very overloaded and damaged so the flaps wouldn't retract, nor would the landing gear. There is a great account of it in David Butler's "Fall of Saigon".

Here is a clip from that last flight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eC73rZPH3Q
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