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500th Bombardier Global Aircraft Delivered

Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:03 am

Bombardier’s Global aircraft family celebrated a significant milestone with the entry-into-service of the 500th manufactured Global business jet. The aircraft, a Global 6000 model, was delivered to Groupe Bolloré, a corporation based in France.

http://www.bombardier.com/en/aerospa...ses/details?docID=0901260d802c56eb
 
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RE: 500th Bombardier Global Aircraft Delivered

Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:27 am

The Global Express does not have the prestige and pull of the Gulfstream yet but it sure is closing the gap
 
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RE: 500th Bombardier Global Aircraft Delivered

Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:46 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 1):
The Global Express does not have the prestige and pull of the Gulfstream yet..

What makes you say this? Until very recently (G-650) the Global line has had an advantage over the Gulfstream with its much wider cabin and similar performance. It's tradition for Gulfstream guys to bash the Global like it's a Yugo...I hear it all the time...but not sure why. Yes, the GLEX had some teething problems at the start of the program many years ago but that is ancient history.... before Y2K.

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RE: 500th Bombardier Global Aircraft Delivered

Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:30 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 1):
The Global Express does not have the prestige and pull of the Gulfstream yet but it sure is closing the gap

I wouldn't call the G650 incident in New Mexico prestigious.

Once the Global 7000 and 8000 roll out, Bombardier will dominate the ultra long range segment once again. Add to that the new challenger jets, and Bombardier is on its way to own the business jet market overall.

500+ deliveries is amazing. In line with the G500/G550 that Gulfstream currently offers.

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RE: 500th Bombardier Global Aircraft Delivered

Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:58 pm

Relax Guys

i fly Gulfstreams, I hear first hand from the passengers who pay big bucks to fly long-range bizjets... I hear their comments..The Global family is certainly closing the gap, but as far as mojo goes, Gulfstream still leads ( by a bit)

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RE: 500th Bombardier Global Aircraft Delivered

Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:40 pm

The truth of the matter is, most of us could not afford either aircraft, even if someone gave it to us for our birthday. Both series of aircraft have had issues. Gulfstream has just had longer to work them out, than BBD has.

The accident is Roswell was more or less attributed to a mathematical error in calculating the takeoff speeds for a single engine takeoff with aft CG. It had very little to do with overall design. And there are problems there too that are being addressed every day, some have lead to significant delays, some not so much, and some may never be fully resolved.

Both aircraft usually operate exactly as their customers (the owners not the pilots) want them to. As long as they are happy, the rest of the stuff (pilot complaints) fall to a close second as far as Gulfstream and BBD are concerned.
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RE: 500th Bombardier Global Aircraft Delivered

Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:11 pm

First, congrats to Bombardier. They have a cabin product well liked in the industry.

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 3):
Add to that the new challenger jets, and Bombardier is on its way to own the business jet market overall.

And yet Bombardier must look over their shoulder at Embraer who is the fastest growing business jet provider (albeit, a far smaller provider).

Quoting g500 (Reply 4):
.The Global family is certainly closing the gap, but as far as mojo goes, Gulfstream still leads ( by a bit)

Gulfstream has the name. I had two friends who asked me to help their boss select business jets. There was so much 'Gulfstream mojo' that there really wasn't a 2nd choice. I gave my advice and saw the expected results. One kept his 757 and the other is 'looking into' a Gulfstream without really considering any alternatives...

But I live in Los Angeles where TPAC and to Europe range drive long range business jet sales. Once the Global 7000/8000 are out and executives brag about their jet, there will be a shift in the market.

But *the* local bragging rights route will still be out of range for all the competitors: VNY-HKT.

Which I expect owners to fly once and then go on to more sensible route planning.  
Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 5):
Both aircraft usually operate exactly as their customers (the owners not the pilots) want them to. As long as they are happy, the rest of the stuff (pilot complaints) fall to a close second as far as Gulfstream and BBD are concerned.

   And much of their preference is that... preference. I could try to add to the debate, but its not like I'm putting down the tens of millions required to play this game...

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RE: 500th Bombardier Global Aircraft Delivered

Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:50 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 1):
The Global Express does not have the prestige and pull of the Gulfstream yet but it sure is closing the gap

It's mostly name recognition, not unlike part of why Ferrari sells more cars than Koenigsegg. Bombardier is awful close where it counts.
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RE: 500th Bombardier Global Aircraft Delivered

Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:49 am

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 3):
I wouldn't call the G650 incident in New Mexico prestigious.

That's low and you know it. That crash was during an extremely difficult test and was circumstantial to anyone other than the Blame-the-pilots-for-everything FAA.

While the Global Express/6000 has a slightly larger cabin, it has a shorter range. The Gulfstream G550 has a slightly narrower cabin but has a longer range. Those large cabin windows on the Gulfstream are a larger selling point that you'd think.
 
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RE: 500th Bombardier Global Aircraft Delivered

Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:36 pm

Some good news for Bombardier from Paris.

order for 12 Global 8000s

http://www.bombardier.ca/en/aerospac...ses/details?docID=0901260d802c59b5

order for 40 Challengers by VistaJet.

http://www.bombardier.ca/en/aerospac...ses/details?docID=0901260d802c56f0

Also, Alaska Air Group orders 10 Q400s

http://www.bombardier.ca/en/aerospac...ses/details?docID=0901260d802c59ba

The only thing I see Gulfstream doing is racing aimlessly left and right claiming new city pairs. Their press release page is full of them. And, yet, not one word of orders so far this month.

http://www.gulfstream.com/news/releases/index.cfm

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RE: 500th Bombardier Global Aircraft Delivered

Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:28 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 9):
The only thing I see Gulfstream doing is racing aimlessly left and right claiming new city pairs. Their press release page is full of them. And, yet, not one word of orders so far this month.

I believe they presently have a 5 or 6 year backlog of orders for the G650, so no new orders is not a bad sign, they just may not be pressing hard for them at this point.
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RE: 500th Bombardier Global Aircraft Delivered

Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:43 pm

BBD also delivered the 400th Challenger 300 this week

http://www.bombardier.com/wps/portal...edia-centre?docID=0901260d802c59bd
 
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RE: 500th Bombardier Global Aircraft Delivered

Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:30 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 3):

I agree. I have always heard that on paper the Global 6000 was a more advanced aircraft than the G550 and they always had the bigger cabin sales angle over the gulfstream platform until the G650. Global 7000/8000 definately raises the bar but there will be a response I am sure. It's amazing how many of these planes both parties can actually sell.
 
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RE: 500th Bombardier Global Aircraft Delivered

Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:20 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
And yet Bombardier must look over their shoulder at Embraer who is the fastest growing business jet provider (albeit, a far smaller provider).

Embraer has nothing on the large-cabin bizjets that Bombardier is putting out. The Legacy is nice if you want a big cabin, but it can't match the range of the Challenger 605, to say nothing of the Global. And the Lineage is more of a BBJ competitor than a Global competitor.

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