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A350 At PAS13: Flying Or Not?

Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:16 am

Hi All,

I'm one of those AvGeeks really excited about Airbus' A350XWB jet first flight and I'm really hoping it gets to attend the Paris Air Show. Thinking about it, and knowing that "nobody" is sure of its appearance on the air show, I'm wondering if all of that "nobody knows"-statements are actually a plan to hide what might be the best-kept secret in aviation history. What I mean is that the A350 will DO make an appearance at the air show, but Airbus wants to surprise us all in getting it in there.

So, the purpose of this thread if to discuss about and share any rumors or anything anybody knows about its possible appearance on the air show.

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RE: A350 At PAS13: Flying Or Not?

Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:35 am

Being this is Airbus we are talking about, I'd nearly be willing to bet my life on it being there one of these days..   
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RE: A350 At PAS13: Flying Or Not?

Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:43 am

I would love to see the A 350XWB or AIRCOON as I call it in Paris - I wouldn't bet my life on it but the over sized writing on the belly makes it perfect for an appearance at Le Bourget
 
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RE: A350 At PAS13: Flying Or Not?

Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:00 am

Airbus have stated that MSN001 needs to meet a particular set of milestones in it's flight testing program before it will be allowed to perform an overflight of PAS.

I have not been following the flight test threads, so I don't know how close they are to meeting these milestones.
 
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RE: A350 At PAS13: Flying Or Not?

Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:05 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):

A question was put to Airbus during the first flight coverage if the rumour of 10 hours flight time was required before going to the air show. That said that was not correct, they (Airbus) just need to be happy with it. They said they will not do the second flight until the data from the first flight has been analysed.

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RE: A350 At PAS13: Flying Or Not?

Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:57 am

If the weather conditions are good, MSN1 could fly again tomorrow after a four-day maintenance check. The second flight will take around 6-7 hours, the crew will perform high and low speed tests and take the plane up to 43,000 feet. If this flight is uneventful, MSN1 could fly to the airshow on Thursday, Friday or Saturday.

  
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RE: A350 At PAS13: Flying Or Not?

Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:37 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 5):
If the weather conditions are good, MSN1 could fly again tomorrow after a four-day maintenance check.

Depends on how you count 4 days.. They could maybe have her up again today. But as long as she flies tomorrow PAS is still a possibility 70/30 for me at the moment.

Leeham for some reason sees a PAS fly by today (18th June) but I really doubt that.
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RE: A350 At PAS13: Flying Or Not?

Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:51 am

Airbus seems to be conservative with the A350 (rightfully so) and there will be plenty of opportunities for the A350 in the future. Would an A350 fly by actually sway a potential customer?
 
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RE: A350 At PAS13: Flying Or Not?

Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:55 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 6):
Leeham for some reason sees a PAS fly by today (18th June) but I really doubt that.

All respect for Leeham, but his Airbus numbers are often wrong.
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RE: A350 At PAS13: Flying Or Not?

Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:21 am

Given the weather forecast in the Toulouse area for the week I believe a second flight before PAS will be difficult.

But, stranger things have happened.
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RE: A350 At PAS13: Flying Or Not?

Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:17 pm

My bet is second fly for tomorow morning and appearance at PAS for low path on friday !
Am I wrong if I say Mr President F Hollande is supposed to attend on friday ?
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RE: A350 At PAS13: Flying Or Not?

Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:59 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 4):
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I think Zeke nail it here. Airbus has a lot of data to analyze from the first flight. Please remember, these are strictly test flights and not marketing flights (which a fly by the PAS would be). After the data is analyzed, and corrections to the flight profile and/or airplane itself need to be made, or verified. Right now, I don't think the A-350 can fly over populated areas without regulator approval, in this case the EASA. The FF was flown with parachutes for the crew, and that will be a requirement for the next few flights. We not only have a new airplane, but new engines, too. Yes, at this point the engines have flown more hours than the airplane and are slightly more mature than the airplane, but they are still new engines. Remember the B-787 had engine problems with both the RR Trent-1000 and GEnx 1B engines after EIS, as did the A-380 with the RR Trent-900 engine.
 
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RE: A350 At PAS13: Flying Or Not?

Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:05 pm

According to la Tribune, "the new long-haul Airbus A350 will perform on Wednesday its second test flight. A prerequisite before a possible third flight over the Paris Air Show this weekend, if weather conditions permit".

http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...roisieme-au-dessus-du-bourget.html
 
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RE: A350 At PAS13: Flying Or Not?

Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:06 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 11):
I think Zeke nail it here. Airbus has a lot of data to analyze from the first flight.

And there is a maintenance check.
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RE: A350 At PAS13: Flying Or Not?

Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:34 am

Fly pas scheduled for tomorrow at 1pm.

http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/347646800188039169
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RE: A350 At PAS13: Flying Or Not?

Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:36 am

Confirmed by Breiger at press conference
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RE: A350 At PAS13: Flying Or Not?

Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:27 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):
Fly pas scheduled for tomorrow at 1pm.

http://twitter.com/jonostrower/statu...39169

A clear sign of confidence in how well things are progressing.

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 15):
Confirmed by Breiger at press conference

That was nice to watch, including the small movie about the second test flight which was conducted yesterday.  .