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Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:18 am

When Pan Am's Boeing 747s came out in 1970 they did not have Pan American titles and just Pan Am in small lettering.Most of Pan Am's Boeing 707s,727s and DC-8s(retired in 1968) had Pan American on them at the time. What was the objective to shortening the titles on their planes to just Pan Am. In 1984 when they came out with their billboard scheme I thought it looked very plain.
 
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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:30 am

There wasn't any reason to continue to spell out Pan American on the planes any longer. The company was getting ready to change the corporate name to its popular nickname, Pan Am, which it finally did in 1972.

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Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:56 am

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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:52 am

I'm with you, doulasc. The full name looked classier for sure.
 
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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:55 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
There wasn't any reason to continue to spell out Pan American on the planes any longer. The company was getting ready to change the corporate name to its popular nickname, Pan Am, which it finally did in 1972.

There has always been a trend (which I find unfortunate) to legally change corporate names with a long history (in some cases) to some soulless acronym.

BNSF (formerly Burlington Northern Santa Fe)
BECU (formerly Boeing Employees Credit Union)
KFC (used to be Kentucky Fried Chicken
UPS (you know this one)

And I'm sure the list goes on. Air California changed to Air Cal. I far preferred the former.
 
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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:01 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
The company was getting ready to change the corporate name to its popular nickname, Pan Am, which it finally did in 1972.

Do you have a source for that? I thought the legal corporate name remained Pan American World Airways, Inc. right to the end. I see many references to that name in news items, for example the following 1991 article re their bankruptcy filing.
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-01-09/news/mn-7223_1_fuel-costs

All news items I can find about their shutdown also refer to Pan American World Airways. Can't find anything re a change to the corporate name in 1972.

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Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:56 am

The holding company was Pan Am Corp,......the subsidiary was Pan American World Airways



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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:57 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
I thought the legal corporate name remained Pan American World Airways, Inc. right to the end. I see many references to that name in news items, for example the following 1991 article re their bankruptcy filing.

I believe it was Pan American World Airways until the end. Just the marketing name was changed to Pan Am. Everybody called it Pan Am anyway.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Federal Express (FEDEX).

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
There has always been a trend (which I find unfortunate) to legally change corporate names with a long history (in some cases) to some soulless acronym.

BNSF (formerly Burlington Northern Santa Fe)
BECU (formerly Boeing Employees Credit Union)
KFC (used to be Kentucky Fried Chicken
UPS (you know this one)

Many insurance companies are notorious for shortening their names or using acronyms. Geico and Aflac come to mind immediately.
 
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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:35 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Do you have a source for that?

I was going on memory, but looked it up quite easily at panamair.org when googling 'pan am corporation history':

http://www.panamair.org/History/logos.htm

Quote:
On November 1, 1972, the corporate name was changed for the final time to “Pan Am,” the company’s popular nickname.

Pan Am Corporation is also listed on wikipedia as the final corporate name for the 'Parent company'.
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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:42 am

Quoting bohica (Reply 7):
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Federal Express (FEDEX).

Except for the post just before mine.    Oops.
 
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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:35 am

It is possible the marketing and front image of Pan American World Airways was shortened to Pan Am due to the wider advent of travel in the sixites. The new 747 opened up wider travel options and it was a shedding of skin in a sense. A more modern, fresh image.

Pan American beginning in it's infancy was a US to Latin American carrier, perhaps using Pan American in this new modern frontier maybe was limiting in name only as a US/Latin american carrier, when Pan Am was so much more.

Wasn't this also the time of the ad campaign "Pan Am: American's airline to the world".

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Do you have a source for that? I thought the legal corporate name remained Pan American World Airways, Inc. right to the end. I see many references to that name in news items, for example the following 1991 article re their bankruptcy filing.
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
The holding company was Pan Am Corp,......the subsidiary was Pan American World Airways
Quoting bohica (Reply 7):
I believe it was Pan American World Airways until the end. Just the marketing name was changed to Pan Am. Everybody called it Pan Am anyway.

These are what I too have understood to be. Maybe the holding company became Pan Am Corp (I dont know but someone above mentioned it), but the airline was still officially Pan American World Airways. I've seen that I'm pretty sure on official documents or (C) or (R) Pan Ameican World Airways and never (C) Pan Am Corp. That just doesn't look right.
 
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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:59 am

A lot of corporations changed the names of their "so-called money-making" branches in the sixties, maybe to appeal to the public who were paying to keep them afloat.

In the airline business these comes off the top of my memory:

SAS
(Scandinavian Airlines System)
-Lost the "System" (and still has not found it)   

SABENA
(Belgian World Airlines)
-Lost the "World" (Maybe a sign of things to come?)

TCA
(Trans Canada Air Lines)
-Became Air Canada


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PS -strange, these all seemed to be government-owned corporations....
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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:26 pm

Quoting Scooter01 (Reply 11):
TCA
(Trans Canada Air Lines)
-Became Air Canada

Trans-Canada Air Lines became Air Canada as the name "Air Canada" was considered bilingual. In the late 1950s, TCA started to display its name as "Trans-Canada Air Lines / Air Canada". (English/French). This became more prominent in the early 1960s.

In May of 1964, an act of parliament allowed TCA to drop the "Trans-Canada Air Lines" in favour of the more French "Air Canada", effective January 1, 1965.
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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:13 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
Pan Am Corporation is also listed on wikipedia as the final corporate name for the 'Parent company'.

So the airline remained Pan American World Airways until 1991?
 
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:42 pm

There was another reason. Pan Am considered itself not only the U.S. "Flag" carrier, but also the world's flag carrier. I've seen Australian commercials for Pan Am, for example, that claimed they were the World's Airline (I'm sure Qantas wouldn't have been happy, but . . . ).
 
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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:24 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
Federal Express to Fed Ex,....although I think the corporate name remained Federal Express

According to SEC filings, it's FEDEX Corporation.

Quoting bohica (Reply 7):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
There has always been a trend (which I find unfortunate) to legally change corporate names with a long history (in some cases) to some soulless acronym.

Qantas is an acronym, too, but that's so far in the past, most people probably don't even know.
 
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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:05 am

Quoting timz (Reply 13):
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
Pan Am Corporation is also listed on wikipedia as the final corporate name for the 'Parent company'.

So the airline remained Pan American World Airways until 1991?

Correct.
 
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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:33 am

While we're on the subject, I found these very interesting ads created by Pan Am in the 60s and geared to the African American market, which if you think about it, are quite forward thinking for that era at a time when the U.S. civil rights movement was still playing out.

http://bvikkivintage.blogspot.com/20...vintage-pan-am-ads-editorials.html
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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:00 am

Quoting Scooter01 (Reply 11):
SABENA
(Belgian World Airlines)
-Lost the "World" (Maybe a sign of things to come?)

Societe Anonime Belge de Navegation Aerienne.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 15):
Qantas is an acronym, too, but that's so far in the past, most people probably don't even know.

Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Services, and no, I did not Googled it.
 
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:47 am

Northwest is an interesting story. Even though the company name was always "Northwest Airlines", their identity was "Northwest Orient" for many years.

After the merger with Republic, they cut out the Orient part.
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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:18 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 19):
Quoting Scooter01 (Reply 11):
SABENA
(Belgian World Airlines)
-Lost the "World" (Maybe a sign of things to come?)

Societe Anonime Belge de Navegation Aerienne.

Not quite. The origiinal name was Societé Anonyme Belge d'Exploitation de la Navigation Aérienne.
 
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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:22 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
The holding company was Pan Am Corp,......the subsidiary was Pan American World Airways

At about this same time TWA became a subsidiary of a holding company known as Trans World Corporation.

After almost 2 decades of aircraft sporting just ' TWA ' they did a reversal of Pan Am and once again used 'Trans World' titles.
 
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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:27 am

Pacific Southwest Airlines was generally known by only its initials.

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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:47 am

Well, while we're on the topic of airline acronyms:

BMI - British Midland, then bmi, then bmi-British Midland International
BOAC - British Overseas Airways Corporation
BEA - British European Airways
TEAL (Predecessor of Air New Zealand) - Tasman Empire Airways Limited

Interesting factoid - Singapore Airlines and Malaysia Airlines were once locked in union, as part of the Federation of Malaya's Malayan Airlines. When Singapore became independent in 1965, the two separate governments took joint control and renamed it MSA - Malaysia-Singapore Airlines. This was never going to end well. As they split in 1975 after disagreements on whether to develop international or domestic routes, the Malaysian part, left with Fokker F27s and Britten-Norman Islanders, switched the letters around and became MAS (Malaysian Airline System). The Singaporean part, left with the Boeing 707s and 737s, initially was to be named Mercury Singapore Airlines to keep the MSA initials. Mercifully, that was dropped and SIA - Singapore (International?) Airlines was used instead.
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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:53 am

Another interesting story in this regard concerns BWIA, now defunct. BWIA (or Bee Wee as they were affectionately known) were started in Trinidad in 1940 as British West Indian Airways, hence the acronym. They became associated with the ill-fated BOAC subsidiary British South American Airways in 1947 but regained their independence 3 years later as the latter were dissolved. BWIA became increasingly known by only their acronym as time went along, particularly after Trinidad & Tobago gained independence in 1962. As time went along they became BWIA International and in 1980 officially became Trinidad & Tobago (BWIA International) Airways Corporation after the domestic airline Trinidad & Tobago Air Services were merged with them that year.

TTIA-BWIA were still known to many as just BWIA. In 1994 with privatization the airline became BWIA International Airways Limited and kept the name until 2000, when they became BWIA West Indies Airways as part of a 60th anniversary rebranding which featured the green and gold livery. At that time BWIA as such was not an acronym, just a name with no further meaning. BWIA West Indies was closed on 31 December 2006. Their successors, Caribbean Airlines, are an entirely separate company.

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RE: Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.

Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:16 am

Quoting nomadic (Reply 22):
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
The holding company was Pan Am Corp,......the subsidiary was Pan American World Airways

At about this same time TWA became a subsidiary of a holding company known as Trans World Corporation.

After almost 2 decades of aircraft sporting just ' TWA ' they did a reversal of Pan Am and once again used 'Trans World' titles.

I've always thought it was innovative how TWA completely changed their name in the late 1940s from Transcontinental & Western Air to Trans World Airlines but didn't have to change their well-known initials.

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