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Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:00 am

Apparently, July 1st will be the announcement for LHR. A Sept start-up date is expected
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:04 am

Huh. An international routes that won't have the OLDs complaining about the LODs.
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:16 am

A Sept start-up date is expected. Highly unusual for a route to start up so quickly after the date it's announced.
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:18 am

Interesting that September is when VS stops serving Accra, although the flight times for that would not suit Seattle.
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:45 pm

B763 or A332?

Also, any ideas how this will affect BA's increase in capacity on LHR-SEA to 10 weekly (7x B744, 3x B772) as of October ?

BA's plans are to maintain 10 weekly for next summer, with all flights operated by B744.

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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:51 pm

I would be interested what time slot the SEA-LHR flight will operate, along with the equipment.
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:02 pm

Quoting Prost (Reply 1):
Huh. An international routes that won't have the OLDs complaining about the LODs

What are OLDs and LODs ?
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:17 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 6):
What are OLDs and LODs ?

I don't know what OLD stands for but LOD is Language of Destination. He is referring to FAs.
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:50 pm

Starting a route like that just after the summer travel season?
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:11 pm

Quoting cschleic (Reply 8):
Starting a route like that just after the summer travel season?

I thought that a bit odd as well. Start-up mere weeks from announcing and at the end of the peak travel season seems odd to me. If they don't start it in September they might as well wait until next April. Maybe it'll happen as rumored if they want to begin sooner than later.
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:16 pm

From what I can tell, DL has wanted to start this route as soon as possible for the last year. I imagine they think they can fill it up year round anyway, so they will start as soon as they are able.

I normally would route PDX-AMS-LHR on Delta to get to the UK, but this flight will cut out some time and give me a reason to connect in SEA to then go direct.

I imagine this flight will do great.
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:32 pm

Quoting hiflyeras (Reply 9):
Start-up mere weeks from announcing and at the end of the peak travel season seems odd to me. If they don't start it in September they might as well wait until next April.

That approach suggests they're counting on a big fraction of business passengers (buying tickets not far in advance of travel) rather than relying on leisure travelers and the SEA summer seasonal traffic. I don't expect this to be a VS-operated flight; I expect a Delta 767-300. If that proves correct it will be interesting to see if they use a high J (~36) or low J (~26) version.
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:39 pm

didnt NWA operate this route at one time?
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:42 pm

Quoting cschleic (Reply 8):

Starting a route like that just after the summer travel season?

I agree it doesn't sound like that great of timing especially with BA increasing frequency.

I assume it would be a 767 since that is what the majority of long haul SEA flights are. Also I hope it isn't a 2pm departure like AMS and CDG. Those early departures are brutal for jet lag and since the route does not depend on connections, there is no need for a 7am arrival. A 1pm arrival might even be better for slots.
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:20 pm

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 3):
Interesting that September is when VS stops serving Accra, although the flight times for that would not suit Seattle.

I believe the SEA slot was purchased from Alitalia.
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:08 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 6):

What are OLDs and LODs ?


LOD= Language of Destination
OLD= Senior  
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:12 pm

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 12):
didnt NWA operate this route at one time?

It lasted about seven months in 2008. I don't recall to what route DL reallocated the slot.

http://seattletimes.com/html/travel/2008387714_webnorthwest13.html
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:26 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 4):
B763 or A332?
Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 11):
I expect a Delta 767-300. If that proves correct it will be interesting to see if they use a high J (~36) or low J (~26) version.

DL may want to maintain a consistent product to LHR. Do they have any more 764s? If not which of the A330s have flat beds in the front cabin?
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:08 pm

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 17):
DL may want to maintain a consistent product to LHR. Do they have any more 764s? If not which of the A330s have flat beds in the front cabin?

There is virtually no difference to the average consumer between a refurbished 763 (low or high-J versions) and a 764. The flatbeds are exactly the same, in fact, with the bathroom LEDs the 763 looks slightly more modern inside.
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:28 pm

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 17):

It'll be a lie flat 763

Quoting Prost (Reply 15):

OLD also = pain in the ass/lazy.  
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:33 pm

Is SLC-LHR coming at the same time.

I always figured they'd add SLC-AMS first, but others have stated that SLC-LHR is coming soon.
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:17 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 13):
assume it would be a 767 since that is what the majority of long haul SEA flights are. Also I hope it isn't a 2pm departure like AMS and CDG. Those early departures are brutal for jet lag and since the route does not depend on connections, there is no need for a 7am arrival. A 1pm arrival might even be better for slots.

So you are you are hoping for something like a 6:30 or 7pm departure time out of SEA which should put you in LHR by 1pm and 2:30pm departure out of LHR should arrive back in SEA by 4:30pm give or take a few minutes?
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:24 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 20):

Is SLC-LHR coming at the same time.

I always figured they'd add SLC-AMS first, but others have stated that SLC-LHR is coming soon.

I think SLC-LHR is a ways off. Esecially considering there will be a link via SEA now. There are other routes I think they would like to add first. Just my opinion though.
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:05 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if Delta swapped one or both of Virgin's LHR-EWR flights thus freeing
Up Virgin's larger A/C. The Delta 76L would be a better fit on this route.
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:34 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 20):

that is the next flight to be added after SEA and DTW #2.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 22):

I think SLC-LHR is a ways off. Esecially considering there will be a link via SEA now. There are other routes I think they would like to add first. Just my opinion though.

per the JV paperwork it is next on the list. (both SEA and DTW slots have already been bought)

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 12):

Yes, NW had the route. IIRC the slot is now being used on CDG-LHR by AF. Also I believe that it is, or was, being flown by an ATR.

Quoting anstar (Reply 14):
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correct.
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:04 pm

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 17):
DL may want to maintain a consistent product to LHR. Do they have any more 764s? If not which of the A330s have flat beds in the front cabin?
Quoting dtwlax (Reply 17):
There is virtually no difference to the average consumer between a refurbished 763 (low or high-J versions) and a 764. The flatbeds are exactly the same, in fact, with the bathroom LEDs the 763 looks slightly more modern inside.

76Ws are already used to LHR from BOS, ATL, and JFK.

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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:10 pm

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 23):
I wouldn't be surprised if Delta swapped one or both of Virgin's LHR-EWR flights thus freeing
Up Virgin's larger A/C. The Delta 76L would be a better fit on this route.

If DL is going to go up against BA in the SEA-LHR market, they need to do it with a bigger plane. While I love the 763 for a lot of reasons (it's perfect for SEA-LHR), the 764 would be better. Now...depending upon what DL wants to do in Seattle, a VS vs. BA battle in Seattle would be an interesting thing to see. Better head to head product competition (sorry DL , but both VS and BA's product is way better, especially in Y class); VS could run it with a 330 or even a 346 if necessary.

This is NOT to say that DL won't do well with SEA-LHR, especially if AS drops BA. However, the Seattle market is unique in that if you have a nonstop from there to anywhere in Europe, you will pick up traffic from most of Oregon, Idaho and NW Canada (the fares are substantially less south of the border). AS feeds them all...so if DL went with their own metal (which I rather think likely) then DL will do just fine.

Just saying that VS would make it more interesting...

BA will not take this well...expect them to come back roaring, e.g.. upgraded product (77W or -- purely speculating here) a 787 as additional capacity. They've owned SEA-LHR since UA left the market (20 years now?) and they are not going to give it up without a fight....which is why I say that a VS operation here might do better. BA will still have an edge with a four class product, but it will be interesting to see this develop.

Also, don't expect AS to go bye-bye anytime soon. If they more closely align themselves with DL, DL gets the benefits without the additional costs...and v.v. for AS. AS is WAY too independent an airline (and too well loved in the NW) for it to go away without some resistance from someone with big pockets in the PNW.

Lastly, those who compare DL's potential operation of SEA-LHR to NW's....apples and oranges. DL's presence in Seattle is nearly as large as NW's was back in the day and if they go to more markets from Seattle, which seems to be their intent, then DL, with AS as a partner, will have a greater ability to pull higher yielding passengers from Seattle; which NW was not able to do with its 330 operation.

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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:49 pm

Quoting baw716 (Reply 26):
VS could run it with a 330 or even a 346 if necessary.

An A346 would be sweet! I'd love to see it flying over my house like the BA, FJ, DL, EK, etc birds. Not expecting it, though.

Quoting baw716 (Reply 26):
AS is WAY too independent an airline (and too well loved in the NW) for it to go away without some resistance from someone with big pockets in the PNW.

Call me jaded, but this is how it would go down:

1. DL and AS announce a merger/takeover.
2. Public outcry.
3. WA State reps feign concern and outrage.
4. DL makes "promises" to maintain/enhance SEA/PDX/Alaska services.
5. WA State reps claim victory (for the next election cycle that us lemmings will be voting in).
6. DL waits out the two- or three-year promise period, then begins cutting back, outsourcing, or spinning off various routes/ops in the SEA/PDX/Alaska marketplace, including QX.

Pretty predictable if you ask me.

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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:03 pm

Will this take away some of the market for the PDX - AMS flight?
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:14 pm

Quoting zschocheimages (Reply 28):
Will this take away some of the market for the PDX - AMS flight?

I take PDX-AMS a couple times a year when I need to get to Europe and PDX-AMS-LHR is the only route that I don't like to do because of the hassle of AMS-PDX on KLM Cityhopper. It's just asking for delays and trouble, so I try to avoid that.

PDX-SEA-LHR would be one of the few routes I would chose over PDX-AMS-XXX.
Don't imagine it will take out too much, as PDX-AMS is running daily as an A333 this summer and I think daily A332 this winter. Decent capacity upgauge from before.

I have wondered if BA might try a LHR-PDX flight on the 787 if DL starts SEA-LHR...
Probably wishful thinking, but man would that be a tactical response!
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:18 pm

Quoting jayunited (Reply 21):

So you are you are hoping for something like a 6:30 or 7pm departure time out of SEA which should put you in LHR by 1pm and 2:30pm departure out of LHR should arrive back in SEA by 4:30pm give or take a few minutes?

That is what I would hope for and would be similarly timed to BA's flight. Also the South Satellite is extremely crowded in the noon hour. A 4pm arrival back in SEA allows plenty of time to connect to all of AS' network. Also the LHR slots after 12 noon are less valuable since they are after all the east coast US arrivals, and before all of the Far East (China/Japan) arrivals.

I personally hate US west coast departures to Europe that leave around 1pm because you get no sleep on the redeye and end up being away for 36 consecutive hours. That's not good for business travel.

Quoting baw716 (Reply 26):
If DL is going to go up against BA in the SEA-LHR market, they need to do it with a bigger plane. While I love the 763 for a lot of reasons (it's perfect for SEA-LHR), the 764 would be better. Now...depending upon what DL wants to do in Seattle, a VS vs. BA battle in Seattle would be an interesting thing to see. Better head to head product competition (sorry DL , but both VS and BA's product is way better, especially in Y class); VS could run it with a 330 or even a 346 if necessary.

I would be very surprised if they used a 764 on a brand new route or VS metal. The 767-300s have the same business class product as the 767-400s which is full flat to compete against BA. I'm not sure the Y product really matters that much, but we'll see what happens. DL routes up to 7 767-300ERs through SEA on any given day, so from a fleet perspective, it makes sense using that plane and it should allow reasonable fleet rotations between the Transpac and Transatlantic networks.
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:29 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 22):
I think SLC-LHR is a ways off. Esecially considering there will be a link via SEA now. There are other routes I think they would like to add first. Just my opinion though.

Me too. I think SLC-LHR is for Summer 2014. They have no slot for it. SEA has a slot coming. I also think starting both would be too much capacity dump out west to quick. Smarter to start one and see how it does. Plus they really need to shuffle to get a SLC slot and they said they want a second one for DTW as a higher priority before SLC.

Seems way too soon from announcement to start to have time to sell the seats for SEA-LHR. I hope they can not start so soon, its a tough time of year and not much time to sell.
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:57 pm

Quoting cschleic (Reply 8):
Starting a route like that just after the summer travel season?

Winter is the peak season for business travel that generates the highest yields.
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:04 am

Quoting planesntrains (Reply 27):

Yeah they are going to shut down the SEA hub because all those international flights don't need feed.  
Logical. Completely logical.
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:32 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 33):
Quoting planesntrains (Reply 27):
Yeah they are going to shut down the SEA hub because all those international flights don't need feed.
Logical. Completely logical.

Are you replying to this?:

Quoting planesntrains (Reply 27):

1. DL and AS announce a merger/takeover.
2. Public outcry.
3. WA State reps feign concern and outrage.
4. DL makes "promises" to maintain/enhance SEA/PDX/Alaska services.
5. WA State reps claim victory (for the next election cycle that us lemmings will be voting in).
6. DL waits out the two- or three-year promise period, then begins cutting back, outsourcing, or spinning off various routes/ops in the SEA/PDX/Alaska marketplace, including QX.

I'm not sure where I said that "...they are going to shut down the SEA hub..."? Clearly that wouldn't be the case.

I'm referring to things such as:

PDX build-up (superfluous to DL in SEA)
SEA-XXX where XXX is not a DL hub/focus city nor strategic to DL (perhaps SEA-PHL/AUS/SAT etc)
ANC/FAI-XXX where XXx is a multitude of destinations in AS that might be outsourced to ERA-types.
Spin off QX and replace certain mainline flying with E175's where it makes sense
Reduction of non-SEA/LAX flying
Reduction of Hawaii flying
Of course, the headquarters/back-office people

That sort of thing. Are you denying that any of that is possible or even perhaps likely over several years after a buyout?

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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:45 am

Quoting baw716 (Reply 26):
If DL is going to go up against BA in the SEA-LHR market, they need to do it with a bigger plane. While I love the 763 for a lot of reasons (it's perfect for SEA-LHR), the 764 would be better.
Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 30):
I would be very surprised if they used a 764 on a brand new route or VS metal. The 767-300s have the same business class product as the 767-400s which is full flat to compete against BA.

I don't understand the assertion that a 764 would be better than a (refurbed) 763. It won't be an old-style, recliner Business 767-300ER; there are only ~15 of those left in a fleet of 58, and even those 15 will be refurbed by ~January 2014. As another poster noted, there have been refurbed 763s committed to LHR routes for a while.
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:35 am

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 35):
I don't understand the assertion that a 764 would be better than a (refurbed) 763. It won't be an old-style, recliner Business 767-300ER; there are only ~15 of those left in a fleet of 58, and even those 15 will be refurbed by ~January 2014. As another poster noted, there have been refurbed 763s committed to LHR routes for a while.

I think the argument is that, for the sake of continuity, a 764 would be more suitable. That would mean that every DL flight into LHR, whether it be ex-SEA/ATL/JFK-BOS would be on the same aircraft.

However, I myself don't understand it, as the product is the exact same up front, and it seems like the 763 is better suited size-wise. Perhaps I'm missing something though ...
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:42 am

Quoting AA94 (Reply 36):
I think the argument is that, for the sake of continuity, a 764 would be more suitable. That would mean that every DL flight into LHR, whether it be ex-SEA/ATL/JFK-BOS would be on the same aircraft.

As already noted earlier in the thread, DL already operates 763s to LHR from BOS and select JFK and ATL flights.

[Edited 2013-06-22 19:44:23]
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:46 am

Anyone know how DL is doing on SEA-CDG ever since they took it over from Air France? I'm sure SEA-LHR will do quite well, especially with the VS joint venture.

It's really impressive the amount of international growth SEA has been experiencing over the past few years. It does make me wonder though how much more capacity can be added...
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:32 am

Quoting zschocheimages (Reply 28):
Will this take away some of the market for the PDX - AMS flight?

Possibly - but I think most of the success of the PDX-AMS flight is to do with Adidas and Nike who shuttle staff between the 2 main offices.
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:28 pm

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 12):
didnt NWA operate this route at one time?

Yes but the slot times in LHR made it nearly useless

Just for those curious I just found this:

Quote:
Northwest will operate the new London flights with its joint venture partner, KLM Royal Dutch Airlines. The Seattle flight, on an Airbus A330 plane, will leave at 10:05 p.m. (10:55 p.m. on Fridays) and arrive the next day at 4:15 p.m. (5:05 p.m. on Fridays). The return flight will leave London at 6:30 p.m. and arrive at 8:55 p.m. in Seattle on the same day.


[Edited 2013-06-23 05:34:16]
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:45 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 40):
Yes but the slot times in LHR made it nearly useless



?

It arrived mid morning was operated by a Skysteam carrier with little onward connections not because of time but simply lack of partners !

It could have landed at 06.30z and still been as you say useless - Need onward Skyteam connections avoid LHR period.

There is a small field (in a bog -Joke) just 400 miles east with a multitude of global Skyteam connections and another 400 mile south with a rather tall lightning conductor similarly providing Skyteam connections.

For Delta LHR is primarily about O&D and premium traffic at that.

As an American can you answer why you all want to traverse LHR to go to anywhere else ?

Above does not apply if Oneworld card holder for obvious reasons but *A and Skyteam LHR really is focus.

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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:16 pm

Quoting planesntrains (Reply 27):
6. DL waits out the two- or three-year promise period, then begins cutting back, outsourcing, or spinning off various routes/ops in the SEA/PDX/Alaska marketplace, including QX.

Yep, and the funny thing is that some people

Quoting anstar (Reply 39):
Possibly - but I think most of the success of the PDX-AMS flight is to do with Adidas and Nike who shuttle staff between the 2 main offices.

That and the fact that Portland is a reasonably affluent progressive mid-size city that can probably support at least one non-stop to Europe.

I always think this is a fallacy when people assume a flight would do well because one particular company has offices on each end. How many people a day from Nike travel back and forth?
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:41 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 42):

I always think this is a fallacy when people assume a flight would do well because one particular company has offices on each end. How many people a day from Nike travel back and forth?

When you factor in that both NIKE/ADIDAS have main offices in AMS and Portland... and then the associated companies that need to travel between the two for business such as suppliers and advertising agencies I would say it makes up quite a chunk of the front end traffic. Certainly enough to make it sustainable and why AMS is the choice over say CDG.
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:54 pm

If it is the case that DL will start SEA-LHR this Autumn it could well be that they want to take BA on to get those three extra weekly frequencies knocked on the head. I also suspect that DL can probably offer a better deal for AS passengers who currently use the BA flight in terms of better mileage deals, etc, for taking DL SEA-LHR over BA.

BA might well be tempted to put the 77W on the LHR-SEA route against DL, not only for product offering but to give them a more efficient aircraft (it's currently a 744), also with fewer economy seats, so they can maybe make some pricing adjustments to take on DL without trashing their yield completely.
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:04 pm

Quoting zschocheimages (Reply 28):
Quoting zschocheimages (Reply 28):
Will this take away some of the market for the PDX - AMS flight?

How many people backtrack to London from AMS off of that PDX flight? Tomorrow's schedule shows PDX-MSP-LHR is about 40 minutes more time-efficient than PDX-AMS-LHR, but Delta.com offers many more connections PDX-XXX-LHR less time-efficient than PDX-AMS-LHR.
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:15 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 41):
It arrived mid morning was operated by a Skysteam carrier with little onward connections not because of time but simply lack of partners !

Actually, for the majority of its operation, it arrived in the late afternoon, just shy of 5pm. It did get a better time slot eventually, but by that time, DL already decided to move it for use from another city.
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:25 am

As much as I would like to see a 764 (again for a/c rotation in/out of LHR), a 763 will do just fine on SEA-LHR and probably be a better yield producer than its bigger brother.

Count on BA throwing a 77W on the route with its new product...which will make things certainly interesting.

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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:21 am

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 45):
How many people backtrack to London from AMS off of that PDX flight? Tomorrow's schedule shows PDX-MSP-LHR is about 40 minutes more time-efficient than PDX-AMS-LHR, but Delta.com offers many more connections PDX-XXX-LHR less time-efficient than PDX-AMS-LHR.

For many (myself included), a connection in Europe is always preferable to a domestic competition. Assuming the schedule was right, I'd much rather connect in AMS than a domestic connection in MSP/DTW/JFK/ATL. Lots of time wasted getting to that midwest/east coast gateway, and generally speaking, the routing takes quite a bit longer. It's also nice to go through customs at your home airport (and in PDX it is VERY easy) rather than risk huge queues and missed connections on the way home.
 
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RE: Rumor: July 1st, DL SEA-LHR Announcement

Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:17 am

Quoting planesntrains (Reply 27):
Call me jaded, but this is how it would go down:

1. DL and AS announce a merger/takeover.
2. Public outcry.
3. WA State reps feign concern and outrage.
4. DL makes "promises" to maintain/enhance SEA/PDX/Alaska services.
5. WA State reps claim victory (for the next election cycle that us lemmings will be voting in).
6. DL waits out the two- or three-year promise period, then begins cutting back, outsourcing, or spinning off various routes/ops in the SEA/PDX/Alaska marketplace, including QX.

Pretty predictable if you ask me.

WA wouldn't be the only State crying foul...you also have AK, OR and maybe even CA. Politics would definitely get involved!