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Braniff 707-138Bs Last Service/routes?

Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:44 pm

Braniff acquired four 707-138Bs from Qantas in June-July 1969. According to historic fleet data, one left the fleet in April 1975, with the others departing in November 1975. Sources found indicate that this 'one-of-a-kind' variant of the 707 actively served with Braniff (only) until 1973.

Did Braniff entirely withdraw their 707-138Bs from service in 1973 and park them for ~2 years until sold, or did they continue to serve in some capacity until closer to the dates they officially left the fleet in 1975?

On what routes were Braniff's 707-138Bs typically flown while in service?

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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs Last Service/routes?

Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:35 am

Tango-Bravo, with reference to your question, "On what routes were Braniff's 707-138Bs typically flown while in service?"

I don't have any specific references to answer your question, but as a kid who hung around Dallas Love Field in the 60s and 70s, I remember the 707s (in general) were used on the long-haul routes to major markets such as JFK, ORD, IAD, Kansas City (MKC at that time) and Minneapolis (I think prior to de-regulation Braniff was the only airline providing service between DAL and MSP--some nonstop, some via MKC/MCI, and the 727s and BAC-111s made LOTS of stops between DAL and MSP) as well as short-haul, high-density markets such as Houston, Texas and San Antonio. As I remember, some of the San Antonio flights continued to Mexico City and/or Acapulco.

Sorry, nothing concrete, just some good (maybe not very accurate) old memories of the deployment of Braniff aircraft.

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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs Last Service/routes?

Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:48 am

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Thread starter):
On what routes were Braniff's 707-138Bs typically flown while in service?

I think they were integrated fairly closely with the 720s.

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Thread starter):
Did Braniff entirely withdraw their 707-138Bs from service in 1973

I think so. The April 1974 OAG has no Braniff 707 flights.
 
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs Last Service/routes?

Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:53 am

Are you sure they flew the 707 to Chicago in the 70's? All I ever remember seeing at the BN gates at ORD were BAC 111's and 727's.
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs Last Service/routes?

Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:59 am

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Thread starter):
Braniff acquired four 707-138Bs from Qantas in June-July 1969. According to historic fleet data, one left the fleet in April 1975, with the others departing in November 1975. Sources found indicate that this 'one-of-a-kind' variant of the 707 actively served with Braniff (only) until 1973.

Did Braniff entirely withdraw their 707-138Bs from service in 1973 and park them for ~2 years until sold, or did they continue to serve in some capacity until closer to the dates they officially left the fleet in 1975?

On what routes were Braniff's 707-138Bs typically flown while in service?

Not to change the subject, but in the background of that pic of the green BN 707, is an original- but short lived DL DC10
 
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs Last Service/routes?

Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:52 am

IIRC, they were configured with the same seating capacity as the 720s.

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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs Last Service/routes?

Sun Jun 23, 2013 7:04 am

Braniff did manage to operate some of the rarer types of 707's. In addition to the Qantas -138Bs the 707-220 was specially built for them. The -220 series was basically a -120 with the PW JT-4 engine from the original -320, Braniff wanted the extra power for their high and hot routes.
 
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs Last Service/routes?

Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:37 pm

Quoting SLCGuy (Reply 6):
Braniff did manage to operate some of the rarer types of 707's. In addition to the Qantas -138Bs the 707-220 was specially built for them. The -220 series was basically a -120 with the PW JT-4 engine from the original -320, Braniff wanted the extra power for their high and hot routes.

Yep, I had forgotten that Braniff got some of the -138s. I thought they all went to BWIA. The -138 was build only for QF and was 10 feet shorter than a standard 707-120, for longer range.

Here's a trivia question. Does anyone know what is unique about the 707-220 in Boeing history? I'll give you hint: it's a not a positive thing.
 
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs Last Service/routes?

Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:27 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 7):
Here's a trivia question. Does anyone know what is unique about the 707-220 in Boeing history? I'll give you hint: it's a not a positive thing.

It crashed on a pre-delivery flight with Braniff and Boeing crew on board lost in the crash.

The first 707, N7071 crashed on October 19, 1959 during a Boeing test flight, when the Boeing pilot did a "Dutch Roll." The Pilot who was in command was Boeing instructor Russell Baum. Braniff had two Captains in the cockpit, John Berke and Frank Staley. The Flight Engineer was Boeing's George Hagan. The Boeing pilot asked the "green" Braniff pilot to recover the aircraft which he couldn't. This was an anauthorized maunever at Boeing, and the result was disaster. The aircraft lost the No.1, 2 and 4 engines during the roll. On decent, N7071 hit a Cottonwood tree on the bank of the Stillaguamish River. The tail and rear broke off on the North bank. The forward fuselage expoded in a fireball. Baum, Berke, Staley and Hagan were killed. Two Braniff Pilots, Pete Krause (FE) and Fred Symmank (Avionics Manager), and Boeing Pilot William W. Allsopp and FAA Inspector W.H. Heubner survived in the tail. This happened the day before the plane was to be turned over to Braniff, so Boeing Aircraft had to take the loss on N7071. The aircraft only had 173 hours on it when it crashed.
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs Last Service/routes?

Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:07 pm

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 8):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 7):
Here's a trivia question. Does anyone know what is unique about the 707-220 in Boeing history? I'll give you hint: it's a not a positive thing.

It crashed on a pre-delivery flight with Braniff and Boeing crew on board lost in the crash.

It was the 2nd hull loss of a U.S.-built commercial jet. The first was an AA 707-123 on a training flight 2 months earlier, near Calverton airport on Long Island, about 50 miles east of JFK.

Braniff had 5 707-220s on order (they were the only customer). They never replaced the one that crashed (the first of the 5) so they only took delivery of 4.

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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs Last Service/routes?

Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:48 pm

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 8):
It crashed on a pre-delivery flight with Braniff and Boeing crew on board lost in the crash.

Yep, fortunately the only crash ever of a Boeing test flight.
 
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs Last Service/routes?

Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:19 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
Quoting CitationJet (Reply 8):
It crashed on a pre-delivery flight with Braniff and Boeing crew on board lost in the crash.

Yep, fortunately the only crash ever of a Boeing test flight.

Since you didn't limit your statement to commercial aircraft, there was this B-29 crash on a test flight in 1943.
http://seattletimes.com/html/pacificnw/2011177658_pacificpdorp07.html
http://www.kuow.org/post/70-years-ag...ering-crash-boeing-s-superfortress
 
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs Last Service/routes?

Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:35 am

One interesting factoid about those -138Bs: N108BN, CN 18740, now flies as N707JT for current owner John Travolta.
 
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RE: Braniff 707-138Bs Last Service/routes?

Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:58 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
Yep, fortunately the only crash ever of a Boeing test flight.

The prototype Boeing 307 Stratoliner crashed in 1939 during a test flight with KLM pilots on board.

http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm...isplaypage=output.cfm&file_id=2230

The Boeing model 299 (B-17 prototype) crashed at Wright-Patterson in 1935, with Boeing's chief test pilot at the controls. The gust locks were still in place.

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