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CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:53 pm

CNN is broadcasting a live feed now (23 Jun 2013, 0952 EDT) from "Moscow Airport" awaiting Snowden's arrival with apparently no knowledge that there is more than one commercial airport in Moscow.

Which airport is he arriving into?

What flight was he on?

Thanks...

[Edited 2013-06-23 06:55:28]
 
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:02 pm

He arrived at SVO on SU flight 213
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:02 pm

Arrived on SU213 according to this, I don't know which airport

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...-11e2-a484-7b7f79cd66a1_story.html
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:02 pm

Snowden was on SU213 into SVO.
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:03 pm

Why does Aeroflot 213 show up as non-existent on flight aware? Isnt that the only non-stop HKG-SVO?
 
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:05 pm

He will then apparently be taking SU150 from Moscow to Havana (final destination Caracas)
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:07 pm

Think only the Aeroflot flights that come from areas of normal flightaware coverage will show up,

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/UUEE

Looks like lots of flights missing.
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:09 pm

Honestly though, why does it matter for this story, most people watching this report on CNN don't really care about airport specifics, and in fact probably don't know (or care) that there are two commercial airports in Moscow. If there was a crash or incident of some sort involving a specific flight, obviously the exact airport would matter but with this it's a terribly minor part of the overall story - but for this "Moscow Airport" pretty much covers it.
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:24 pm

Sky News are covering it live also. Im wondering though they said that Aeroflot confirmed that he had a ticket in their systems so Im wondering if it was wise for Aeroflot to give out such information about the passenger list.
 
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:45 pm

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 7):
that there are two commercial airports in Moscow

Two? At least three: SVO, DME, VKO. I think that BKA closed...
 
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:35 pm

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 9):

Ha, see I've obviously been watching too much CNN. Still in the scheme of things doesn't really matter what airport he flew into or how that reflects on what CNN or any news outlet knows in regards to esoteric details of Moscow aviation
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:01 pm

Interesting that its flight path takes it over the CONUS. Could the US force it to land to remove Mr. Snowden from the aircraft once it crosses into US Airspace...or would the government dis-allow the overflight?
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:13 pm

Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 11):

They could force the airplane to land, however that would be one hell of a PR nightmare.
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:14 pm

Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 11):
Interesting that its flight path takes it over the CONUS. Could the US force it to land to remove Mr. Snowden from the aircraft ...

Yes, the U.S can require any aircraft in its airspace to land. And has, in the past, forced commercial fights not in its airspace to land. see Achille Lauro hijacking aftermath.
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:32 pm

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 12):
They could force the airplane to land, however that would be one hell of a PR nightmare.

Not PR it would start a major incident between two nations and the fall out would be immense. Not worth it for one guy who has chosen to speak out against his own countries practices.
 
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:37 pm

He will probably go to Havana on Aeroflot's SU150.

That flight normally goes down the east coast:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...0/history/20130622/1005Z/UUEE/MUHA

But I would guess they will probably route it over Bermuda to avoid US airspace if he is onboard:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...0/history/20130620/1005Z/UUEE/MUHA
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:36 pm

Quoting C680 (Reply 15):
He will probably go to Havana on Aeroflot's SU150.

Even if it goes over Bermuda what about all our ally countries in Europe. US can plant couple of drunkards on SU150 and let it take normal course. I guess SU123 was a easy flight because it flew over China, Kazakhstan and Russia. FR24 is going to very busy for next couple of days.
 
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:21 pm

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 17):

Even if it goes over Bermuda what about all our ally countries in Europe. US can plant couple of drunkards on SU150 and let it take normal course. I guess SU123 was a easy flight because it flew over China, Kazakhstan and Russia. FR24 is going to very busy for next couple of days.

There have been a few instances where we have either required an aircraft to land or denied overflight because of a passenger was on a no-fly list, which I would assume his already is. Weather the US will go to that length to recover him at that point is to be determined.

If the flight is routed over Bermuda the US may be granted intercept rights from the UK. However, the mere fact that he will be so close, he may be a tantalizing morsel to try for the intercept. Will be interesting to watch.

I do agree that FR and liveatc will be highly trafficked tomorrow.
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:33 pm

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 7):

Honestly though, why does it matter for this story, most people watching this report on CNN don't really care about airport specifics,

It represents the level of effort CNN is willing to put into their story, which evidently is pretty low.
 
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:33 pm

Quoting Sligo (Thread starter):
with apparently no knowledge that there is more than one commercial airport in Moscow.

How many airports serve Moscow?   I know, I could look in the drop-down, but I'm lazy.   
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:41 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 20):
How many airports serve Moscow? I know, I could look in the drop-down, but I'm lazy.

At least seven. Three with scheduled service.
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:18 am

Is hacking off the US to this extent really worth it for Ecuador?.
 
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:20 am

Quoting Sligo (Reply 4):
Why does Aeroflot 213 show up as non-existent on flight aware? Isnt that the only non-stop HKG-SVO?

Because flights outside of America and western Europe are not in the main coverage areas for Flightaware.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/su213/
 
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:51 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 21):
Three with scheduled service.

Sheremetyevo and Domodedovo are the two most important ones. It's like Heathrow and Gatwick in London.
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:08 am

The media really sucks in regards to aviation, though, this is pretty minor IMO. It's not really wrong, just vague.
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:42 am

CBS source saying Snowden will check in on SU flight for HAV at 0400 EST, accompanied with a number of newsies. I assume the journos out of Moscow have Cuban visas, otherwise they would be denied boarding in the first place.
 
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:38 am

Do you really think he will be on that flight?

The guys from the media will board first, then wait until cruising altitude and the seat belt sign is switched off and then they will realize that Aeroflot made a good business that they, selling nearly all available seats at exorbitant prices, including the one for Snowden, who will not be on board.

I am sure there is already a freighter on his way to DAM , TEH or SHJ, from there a Gulfstream without transponder via an unknown west-African airport to the northern part of Brazil

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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:59 am

Quoting fn1001 (Reply 27):
I am sure there is already a freighter on his way to DAM , TEH or SHJ, from there a Gulfstream without transponder via an unknown west-African airport to the northern part of Brazil

That would be the most secure exit route but politically it heavily implicates Russian authorities. It would be very difficult for them to absolve themselves of *active* participation in his flee in such a scenario compared to his boarding a scheduled flight out of Moscow.

Not to mention that -should the US think of using cowboy tactics- it is a much more delicate proposition for fighters to harass a regular, scheduled civil airliner into landing in US territory than it would be with a private or cargo flight.


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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:00 am

Flight AFL 150 already shows as delayed. The airline spokesman confirmed the flight will route over the US teritory.

[Edited 2013-06-24 03:01:17]
 
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:06 am

Quoting ely747 (Reply 29):
Flight AFL 150 already shows as delayed. The airline spokesman confirmed the flight will route over the US teritory.

It doesn't make sense for him to be taking this flight if it will indeed fly over American territory, right? Surely the USAF can force the flight to land somewhere on American territory once it enters American airspace?
 
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:14 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 24):
Sheremetyevo and Domodedovo are the two most important ones. It's like Heathrow and Gatwick in London.

Vnukovo is on the rise as well. UN transfered a bunch of regional and international flights from DME to VKO recently, Services that STN and LTN can only dream of.

Among the big ones, MIA, JFK, CUN and later this year YYZ, MLE and PEK.

WIth the new terminal they built at VKO, expect that airport to get busier at the expense of the two others. LH already made VKO its mainstream Moscow airport while still maintaining service to DME.

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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:18 am

Should the US government choose to intercept an airliner of a soverign country, flying its assigned route according to flightplan whilst keeping in touch with ATC, under the assumption a person they have not legally extradited from Russia might be onboard, then they're on ice so thin you can see through it. But should they do so, well, then I'd be rooting for Russia to intercept every single US registered aircraft to come within its airspace, force them all to land at obscenely remote airfields while they conduct a safety inspection, only to let them loose a few hours later with the following message: "Sorry, no Jet A1 available at this airfield. Parking charges is 1.000 USD per hour, we don't accept AmEx and your passenger can't leave the aircraft 'cause they have no visas. Have a nice day."
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:28 am

Update: Just saw on Russia Today that Snowden is NOT on the flight to Cuba.
 
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:08 am

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 32):
Should the US government choose to intercept an airliner of a soverign country, flying its assigned route according to flightplan whilst keeping in touch with ATC, under the assumption a person they have not legally extradited from Russia might be onboard, then they're on ice so thin you can see through it. But should they do so, well, then I'd be rooting for Russia to intercept every single US registered aircraft to come within its airspace, force them all to land at obscenely remote airfields while they conduct a safety inspection, only to let them loose a few hours later with the following message: "Sorry, no Jet A1 available at this airfield. Parking charges is 1.000 USD per hour, we don't accept AmEx and your passenger can't leave the aircraft 'cause they have no visas. Have a nice day."

I can so see you foaming at the mouth lol. You're just whipping yourself into a frenzy at a scenario that has not even happened lol.
 
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:59 am

Quoting anshuk (Reply 32):
Update: Just saw on Russia Today that Snowden is NOT on the flight to Cuba.

Although amusingly, a number of journalists are, and they're all off to HAV. Apparently visa restrictions mean they will have to stay there for three days before returning.   

Decent live updates via the Guardian, whose Moscow correspondent was (luckily?) denied boarding due to visa issues. Aeroflot must be delighted with the yields on this flight today http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...rom-moscow-to-havana-live-coverage

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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:57 pm

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 33):
I can so see you foaming at the mouth lol. You're just whipping yourself into a frenzy at a scenario that has not even happened lol.

No foam around my mouth dude, and there's no whipping go on either. My post was merely in response to those who suggested, without any apparent grasp of the possible repercussions, the US should intercept an Aeroflot operated flight in order to secure someone Russia has not been asked to extradite.

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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:06 pm

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 35):

Nice little nitpick at being called out...immature but hey, who's counting?

Aeri has a good point whether you agree or not.

What purpose would such a retaliation serve? Answer? None.
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RE: CNN Live From "Moscow Airport"

Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:12 pm

As this is mostly non- aviation related, this thread will be now locked.

Please continue the discussion in the non- aviation thread which can be found here:

Will Snowden Be Extradited To Face Trial? (by AyostoLeon Jun 22 2013 in Non Aviation)

Thanks.

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