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Will The 777 Series Replace The 747 Series?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 2:29 am

Will the 777 completely replace 747 in the future?

For me, I would say NO! Why? Coz there are in deed airliners which need the 747-400 to do transpacific routes plus some high density short/medium range flights. Besides, I believe that the 747-400 is FAR more comfortable than any other aircraft.

Although 767-300ER and 777-200 have taken over the role of 747s in the transatlantic routes, there are still some airlines like United (Occasionally), Lufthansa, Virgin Atlantic etc etc using 747s for these routes.

What are your ideas? Please don't run this into a war. : )

Good luck!
 
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RE: Will The 777 Series Replace The 747 Series?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 2:38 am

I don`t think the 777 will replace the 744, rather supplement it. The 744 will remain in service with the worlds finest airlines for years to come, no matter how the A3XX or 747X projects turn out..But the 777, and especially the -300ER will certainly replace older 742s, 743s and 747SPs. Not long ago Air France ordered 10 firm, 10 optional 773ERs as their Classic replacements.
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RE: Will The 777 Series Replace The 747 Series?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 2:42 am

While it is a nice airplane, the thing I hate about the 747 is Boeing made it just wide enough to squeeze a 10th seat in, where you usually have 9 roomy seats in the 777. While it is smaller, the 777 is worlds comfier.
 
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747-300s Aren't That Old

Fri Oct 27, 2000 2:43 am

I believe that the 747-300s as well as some 747 classics aren't that ol dand can still be around for sometime. For example, JAL claimed that the 747 classics will be around for another 8 years.

Anymore idea?
 
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RE: Will The 777 Series Replace The 747 Series?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 3:48 am

The way I see it, the 777s will not replace the 747s entirely. The 777, whether it be a -200, -200ER, -300, or -300ER, will replace most older 747 models, as Raggi explained.

With United Airline's point, I want to justify that. Yes, say the 747 prototype first flew on 02/09/1969... some airlines took delivery of their 747-100s and -200s in the mid 1970's and even into the 1980's. 747SP deliveries took place from approximately 1976-1984 (not sure on exact dates).

The 777s now will replace the oldest of the 747 fleet an airline currently operates. It might be lost profit in number of seats on the plane, but in terms of range, fuel, and crew members, there is a significant amount of savings there.

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RE: Will The 777 Series Replace The 747 Series?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 6:05 am

NO!!! 
 
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RE: Will The 777 Series Replace The 747 Series?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 6:20 pm

Mission Impossible. Its´a question like: will the president of the USA drive a Mercury instead of a Lincoln in future?

Reason No.1: Traffic is growing, so a smaller plane can never take over the business of a bigger one.
Reason No.2: Boeing needs a flagship, and the 777 is not one.
Reason No.3: The 747 has better seatmile costs than the 777 (stated on Boeings own website) and the 747X will top that. Enough reasons for airlines to buy the 747 in years to come.
Reason No.4: When the 777 is slightly more comfortable than the 747, the 747X can be expected to be more comfortable than the 777 again.
Reason No.5: The 747 is and will stay more popular than the 777. Just look at the two airplanes and you´ll know why.
 
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RE: Will The 777 Series Replace The 747 Series?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 6:24 pm

Mission Impossible. Its´a question like: will the president of the USA drive a Mercury instead of a Lincoln in future?

Reason No.1: Traffic is growing, so a smaller plane can never take over the business of a bigger one.
Reason No.2: Boeing needs a flagship, and the 777 is not one.
Reason No.3: The 747 has better seatmile costs than the 777 (stated on Boeings own website) and the 747X will top that. Enough reasons for airlines to buy the 747 in years to come.
Reason No.4: When the 777 is slightly more comfortable than the 747, the 747X can be expected to be more comfortable than the 777 again.
Reason No.5: The 747 is and will stay more popular than the 777. Just look at the two airplanes and you´ll know why.
 
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RE: 747-300s Aren't That Old

Fri Oct 27, 2000 6:33 pm

The last 747-200 was delivered in 1991, so there's a lot of life left in the 747 classics. Especially because they cost less than a 777 and the 747-400. They're a good buy for an airline looking for a high capacity, long range aircraft.
 
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RE: Will The 777 Series Replace The 747 Series?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 9:38 pm

Folks,

777's replacing ALL 747's? Isn't that the wrong question?

I think a much better question is whether the 777-300ER will start replacing the older 741/742's still flying out there. In my personal opinion, the fact that both AF and JL have ordered the 773ER means that the true replacement for the older 741/742 planes have begun in ernest. After all, that's the same market that Airbus is aiming for with the A340-600.
 
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RE: Will The 777 Series Replace The 747 Series?

Fri Oct 27, 2000 10:17 pm

The 747 as delivered was only 9 abreast seating (3-4-2) in economy with two wide aisles (wide enough for someone to *pass* a service cart). Now it is 10 abreast with two very narrow aisles that the service carts barely fit in, let alone someone trying to get around them..hehe. I remember Pan Am's slogan when they first introduced them was "the plane with all the room in the world".
 
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RE: Will The 777 Series Replace The 747 Series?

Sat Oct 28, 2000 12:33 am

777 will only replace 747 classics.

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